List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft

[RossFC]

Thanks to Lore for the draft tracker.

 

[philthy05]

West Coast CEO Don Pyke revealed he had reached out after being forced into an “unfortunate situation”.

unfortunate situation being they won a grand final which was a lot more recent than most clubs last cup, and held onto their aging stars for a long time while paying a fortune for a player in the hopes of another crack with said ageing stars.

That’s not unfortunate, that was the informed decision your club took you dumb grub.

 

[240volt]

Hopefully the profile of the players we'll draft will change with the change of senior coach

Hinkley: preferably Vic Country Hillbilly, needs a Daddy, good human, can chase
Carr: Hard as a cats head, can gets his own ball, can kick a goal

I doubt Carr like Hinkley has total control on who we draft or trade for.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

SA players invited to the National + State testing: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...year-s-afl-draft-combine-20250730-p5mj3i.html

Nat:

• Sam Ainsworth, 198cm (Norwood)
• Harley Barker, 187cm (Sturt)
• Sam Cumming, 184cm (North Adelaide)
• Louis Kellaway, 183cm (Sturt)
• Matthew LeRay, 190cm (Central Districts)
• Mitch Marsh, 191cm (West Adelaide)
• Cameron Nairn, 187cm (Central Districts)
• Blake Oudshoon-Bennier, 182cm (North Adelaide)
• Zane Peucker, 179cm (Woodville West Torrens)
• Jevan Phillipou, 182cm (Woodville West Torrens)
• Noah Roberts-Thomson, 181cm (Sturt)
• Aidan Schubert, 197cm (Central Districts)
• Dyson Sharp, 187cm (Central Districts)
• Blake Thredgold, 195cm (Sturt)

State:

• Jett Dahiltz, 187cm (Sturt)
• Elliott Duffield, 193cm (South Adelaide)
• Jim Kelly, 180cm (Norwood)
• Balyn O'Brien, 187cm (Norwood)
• Bryce Sanders, 199cm (North Adelaide)
• Latrelle Sumner-Pickett, 182cm (Glenelg)

 

[bow and arrow]

Hopefully the profile of the players we'll draft will change with the change of senior coach

Hinkley: preferably Vic Country Hillbilly, needs a Daddy, good human, can chase
Carr: Hard as a cats head, can gets his own ball, can kick a goal

And preferably over 190cm!

 

[longdonkey]

I doubt Carr like Hinkley has total control on who we draft or trade for.

I don't believe that. They do a full list beforehand for the draft and there is no way that the head coach isn't able to consult on that, maybe not player wise but positional or the type of player we get. As for trade I suspect they run through names of who could be available and the head coach would do a Roman Emperor thumb up or down. No way they trade a player and say here's Ratkins without approval of the head coach

 

[all seeing eye]

I don't believe that. They do a full list beforehand for the draft and there is no way that the head coach isn't able to consult on that, maybe not player wise but positional or the type of player we get. As for trade I suspect they run through names of who could be available and the head coach would do a Roman Emperor thumb up or down. No way they trade a player and say here's Ratkins without approval of the head coach

Wrong, head coach has some early input, ie need a tall forward type, however the list manager and the scouts construct the list.

 

[longdonkey]

Wrong, head coach has some early input, ie need a tall forward type, however the list manager and the scouts construct the list.

It makes no sense - if you lose 3 key defenders and you're first 20 on your draft board are mids, then you draft only mids you screw the list.

 

[all seeing eye]

It makes no sense - if you lose 3 key defenders and you're first 20 on your draft board are mids, then you draft only mids you screw the list.

Thats what a list manager does, over years they construct a balanced squad , with depth in key areas. Generally however the first round is reserved for the best available player rather then for posiitonal requirements.

 

[TeeKray]

The draft is broken and is now basically useless as an equalisation tool. You can finish on the bottom and have one pick inside the top 30 which will effectively be cancelled out by half the clubs getting academy or father son freebies of the same quality. Time to reform the draft or just get rid of it.

 

[Lagooner]

The draft is broken and is now basically useless as an equalisation tool. You can finish on the bottom and have one pick inside the top 30 which will effectively be cancelled out by half the clubs getting academy or father son freebies of the same quality. Time to reform the draft or just get rid of it.

Academies should be AFL run and have no club allegiances. Graduates just go into the general draft pool.

Father Son’s should be for exceptional one club legacy players only. 200 games minimum like they imposed on us for SANFL players.

 

[SureBuddy]

The draft is broken and is now basically useless as an equalisation tool. You can finish on the bottom and have one pick inside the top 30 which will effectively be cancelled out by half the clubs getting academy or father son freebies of the same quality. Time to reform the draft or just get rid of it.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more! (after we get Cochrane and Pilot)

 

[Portology]

The draft is broken and is now basically useless as an equalisation tool. You can finish on the bottom and have one pick inside the top 30 which will effectively be cancelled out by half the clubs getting academy or father son freebies of the same quality. Time to reform the draft or just get rid of it.

Not quite broken nor basically useless but what began as one simple first<-->last equalisation lever has had a lot of ugly patches applied to "cope" with massive changes since it began, yes some one-offs, but also many that are not going away. Non-uniform long term growth measures naturally distort equalization measures over "some period of time".

The first ongoing distortion, F/S, we know know was way too cheap (not free) when Geelong got their 07-11 core. Alone, it shouldn't distort the long term talent pool if most clubs have roughly equal # of qualifying fathers. Enter trading, emerging states, effing priority picks, forward draft pick trading, one-off events, and the eternal AFL-AFLPA dance of misaligned goals.

Priority picks is a classic example of a reasonable idea both done poorly and interacting poorly with other measures.

Alone, more open trading with salary cap ought to drive an increase in inequality towards Vic - more 'attractive' clubs get more accessible at roughly the same price, at the same time a local Vic mini-market drives up price even for average talent. So for emerging states salary cap distortions attempted to counter that. Cost of living my ****, "homesickness" the October virus was more real IMO. So that's a very long term local pool building exercise. Forward pick trading moved the needle to even more trading, amplifying bets on now vs a few years from now.

AFLPA wants to maximise players' share; AFL wants sustainable talent pools everywhere, clubs want to gamble. Enter more draft distortions aimed to very long term build up talent pools in NSW & QLD - northern academies, NGAs by many different rules, etc. Messy, but ultimately local products should be stickier and eventually generate enough... locals.

When clubs in NSW & QLD regularly see proportionately as many local and F/S candidates as "heartland" states it'll be past time to "reprice" academy taps to be more like pipelines to a national pool. "Past" because it's hard to spot an "over-distortion" until late: Brisbane (cap + list concessions + Fitzroy) and Geelong (F/S too cheap) key cases in point.

tl;dr: markets are never free, not even the simplest ones

 

[davesnothere]

SA players invited to the National + State testing: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...year-s-afl-draft-combine-20250730-p5mj3i.html

Nat:

• Sam Ainsworth, 198cm (Norwood)
• Harley Barker, 187cm (Sturt)
• Sam Cumming, 184cm (North Adelaide)
• Louis Kellaway, 183cm (Sturt)
• Matthew LeRay, 190cm (Central Districts)
• Mitch Marsh, 191cm (West Adelaide)
• Cameron Nairn, 187cm (Central Districts)
• Blake Oudshoon-Bennier, 182cm (North Adelaide)
• Zane Peucker, 179cm (Woodville West Torrens)
• Jevan Phillipou, 182cm (Woodville West Torrens)
• Noah Roberts-Thomson, 181cm (Sturt)
• Aidan Schubert, 197cm (Central Districts)
• Dyson Sharp, 187cm (Central Districts)
• Blake Thredgold, 195cm (Sturt)

State:

• Jett Dahiltz, 187cm (Sturt)
• Elliott Duffield, 193cm (South Adelaide)
• Jim Kelly, 180cm (Norwood)
• Balyn O'Brien, 187cm (Norwood)
• Bryce Sanders, 199cm (North Adelaide)
• Latrelle Sumner-Pickett, 182cm (Glenelg)

Sumner-Pickett is going to end up here.

If we could somehow land a pick that brings Jevan Phillipou over as well as landing Nas that could end very well.

Bryce Sanders you would certainly rookie in hope.

 

[Port2Power]

Hoping we take a look at these two wont cost us anything
Isiah Winder
Dusty Geister

 

[Addy23]

Sumner-Pickett is going to end up here.

If we could somehow land a pick that brings Jevan Phillipou over as well as landing Nas that could end very well.

Bryce Sanders you would certainly rookie in hope.

Let's manage expectations, we ain't getting Phillipou + NWM. Just NWM whilst keeping our squad may prove to be difficult

 

[davesnothere]

Let's manage expectations, we ain't getting Phillipou + NWM. Just NWM whilst keeping our squad may prove to be difficult

Want Phillipou.

Just musing if Butters wants out and we were to suddenly be in this draft with one pick this year….

 

[240volt]

If Willie doesn’t get his arse into gear what have we got as our starting small forward next year ?
We go with Richards and the SANFL strugglers?
Maybe draft another small forward as Berry hasn’t given a yelp?
Not looking too flash.

 

[davesnothere]

If Willie doesn’t get his arse into gear what have we got as our starting small forward next year ?
We go with Richards and the SANFL strugglers?
Maybe draft another small forward as Berry hasn’t given a yelp?
Not looking too flash.

Tommy Cochrane will go well with another preseason under him.

Sumner-Pickett goes ok if we pick him up.

Berry with another preseason will be ok.

I’m not confident about Willie continuing but if he chooses to play on he will be fit.

 

[Addy23]

Tommy Cochrane will go well with another preseason under him.

Sumner-Pickett goes ok if we pick him up.

Berry with another preseason will be ok.

I’m not confident about Willie continuing but if he chooses to play on he will be fit.

On top of this, we need to develop Barrett's finishing around goal. He's got elite speed and tackling skills. If he can improve his kicking a little bit I can see a role at AFL for him too

 

[Peninsula Boy]

On top of this, we need to develop Barrett's finishing around goal. He's got elite speed and tackling skills. If he can improve his kicking a little bit I can see a role at AFL for him too

He should be just pinging goals all practice from different angles and working on his baulks, crumbing, etc.

 

[240volt]

He should be just pinging goals all practice from different angles and working on his baulks, crumbing, etc.

Barrett is shit, too small and has bugger all skills.
He’s a nothing pick so no great loss, most likely to end up playing some bush league.

 

[all seeing eye]

Barrett won the u16s sanfl best and fairest as a midfielder, he occasionally rested forward , but this isnt his natural position.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Barrett is shit, too small and has bugger all skills.
He’s a nothing pick so no great loss, most likely to end up playing some bush league.

Still young and improving to do especially under Carr.

I'm happy to be a bit patient especially if Rioli is on the Mars Bars. It means we don't have a small to medium goal kicking small forward ready to go.

 

[longdonkey]

OK Barrett, the first few times I saw him ....very underwhelming. However the last 2 games he's been better. In my opinion a little too much of an outside player because he's not big enough and you can't pair that up with poor kicking.

If he can win his own loose ball he has a future because of his speed which is excellent.

A month ago I'd probably have delisted him but I've changed my mind.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

OK Barrett, the first few times I saw him ....very underwhelming. However the last 2 games he's been better. In my opinion a little too much of an outside player because he's not big enough and you can't pair that up with poor kicking.

If he can win his own loose ball he has a future because of his speed which is excellent.

A month ago I'd probably have delisted him but I've changed my mind.

I'm happy with four possessions, four goals type of deal.