List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[1990crow]

So now Indy has signed, does that mean he has given away basketball, or has joing the Crows just a fall back for him?

I don't think we would have signed him otherwise.

 

[Danger in Texas]

So now Indy has signed, does that mean he has given away basketball, or has joing the Crows just a fall back for him?

I think if it was the second option it’d be a Collingwood/Condon scenario, where he doesn’t officially sign until he knows he won’t make it in the NBA

 

[ceebsaf]

Utter crap. Burgess has proven multiple times he is not AFL standard. There is no role, there is no stepping in. He's a waste of space.

Lemmey has yet to be given that opportunity.

burgess looks like the oldest 30 year old I have ever seen. lol

 

[mr.sheen]

Looks like another two years for Phillipou (til 2028) now sadly
Saints building nicely..

 

[1990crow]

Looks like another two years for Phillipou (til 2028) now sadly
Saints building nicely..

Good luck to them. Reckon they'll need it against us.

 

[relapse]

I would be interested in getting Hollands from Carlton. Would come cheap, is classy and talented, and wanted to be drafted by the Crows as he is a tragic.
Off field issues aside. We still need some more class in the midfield, and he could be a good get.

He would be a really cheap get.

Carlton has asked him to find a new club, normally that means that they just want to salary dump him for a token draft pick.

I'd like to see us take a chance on him, however I think we all know this club well enough to know that we normally avoid these type of players like the plague.

 

[Cleric]

He would be a really cheap get.

Carlton has asked him to find a new club, normally that means that they just want to salary dump him for a token draft pick.

I'd like to see us take a chance on him, however I think we all know this club well enough to know that we normally avoid these type of players like the plague.

Yeah, we are too risk adverse to take him. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Jarman3]

Utter crap. Burgess has proven multiple times he is not AFL standard. There is no role, there is no stepping in. He's a waste of space.

Lemmey has yet to be given that opportunity.

It's not an either-or situation. I'd be quite happy with neither.

But yeah, Burgess is a proven spud, Lemmey is at least just a potential / likely spud.

 

[skittlebrew]

We have Murray jnr and now Cotton. Do we need another tall?

 

[Cleric]

I don't think we would have signed him otherwise.

If it gave us the player rights to him we would have.
If he came to the club and said "hey, I'm going to give NBA a shot for two years, but if you sign me as a CatB rookie and pay me 50k a year for those two years, I will come to Adelaide if it doesnt work out" I think the club would do it just to secure his signature.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We have Murray jnr and now Cotton. Do we need another tall?

Remains to be seen whether we see Cotton as a tall

 

[Mutineer]

He would be a really cheap get.

Carlton has asked him to find a new club, normally that means that they just want to salary dump him for a token draft pick.

I'd like to see us take a chance on him, however I think we all know this club well enough to know that we normally avoid these type of players like the plague.

Is that really all that you take from Carlton basically showing him the door while under contract with his brother Ollie also on their list?

 

[fuic08]

Is that really all that you take from Carlton basically showing him the door while under contract with his brother Ollie also on their list?

Saw on reddit that his brother moved out of their joint house it was so bad.

 

[Golumless]

Utter crap. Burgess has proven multiple times he is not AFL standard. There is no role, there is no stepping in. He's a waste of space.

Lemmey has yet to be given that opportunity.

Considering Lemmey has been delisted by Carlton (and in rather quick time), he too has been given that opportunity and has so far proven that he is also a waste of space. If Carlton saw anything in him, he wouldn't have been delisted in August, 3 years in (assuming that he isn't a Lawrence Angwin type unit, or someone who has drug issues*). At least Burgess has survived for 5-6 years at this level.

Only difference between Lemmey and Burgess is he has a bit more time to correct that narrative.


*which is possible, seeing the Hollands news and 3 years in being a rather strange time to delist someone.

 

[Mutineer]

Considering Lemmey has been delisted by Carlton (and in rather quick time), he too has been given that opportunity and has so far proven that he is also a waste of space. If Carlton saw anything in him, he wouldn't have been delisted in August, 3 years in (assuming that he isn't a Lawrence Angwin type unit, or someone who has drug issues*). At least Burgess has survived for 5-6 years at this level.

Only difference between Lemmey and Burgess is he has a bit more time to correct that narrative.


*which is possible, seeing the Hollands news and 3 years in being a rather strange time to delist someone.

Strange then isn't it that Carlton re-committed to him before his initial rookie contract ran out if he was showing nothing hey?

Binns and Lemmey recommit to the Blues

Jaxon Binns and Harry Lemmey have signed contract extensions with Carlton.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Key forward Lemmey was drafted to Carlton from West Adelaide with pick No.47. With proven athleticism and clean hands, Lemmey has been eager to learn and improve during his time at the Club.

Standing at 200 centimetres, Lemmey has displayed he has the skill set to make it at AFL level, with his best game this season coming in Round 16 against Coburg with 19 disposals, seven marks, eight hitouts and a goal.

The 19-year-old has also stepped up into the ruck over the last month and shown great promise, averaging 9.2 hitouts in the past five games.

Carlton Head of List Management Nick Austin said Binns and Lemmey have impressed with their dedication to their craft.

“We are pleased to see Jaxon and Harry continue as Carlton players for the coming years. The re-signing is a testament to the drive and hard-work they put in at training, which has been reflected in their great seasons in the VFL so far,” Austin said. “Harry has shown real promise since his start at Carlton. Having Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow to learn and grow his craft from has been huge for his development and we look forward to seeing him develop further over the next two years.”

 

[1970crow]

No matter how hard you spin it, if he shifts it will be contingent on him taking one hell of a haircut salary wise.

Why would he do that?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We have Murray jnr and now Cotton. Do we need another tall?

If we swapped Finlayson for Burgess, reckon we have decent cover.

 

[1970crow]

OK thanks mate and am appreciating your thoughts and insights. But please try and talk me thru it. He still has 5 years left IIRC and lets assume its 'only' 1.5 per year on average for the next 5 years (has been well reported how his long contract started with unders and then massively beefs up to the large final years numbers of 1.7m ish)

How does this possibly work for both us and Dees? I cant imagine we, or any club, would want to pay him 1m or more based on his exposed form from the last 2 years (ignoring all the other stuff here - lets just focus on footy)

IF Crows were still keen as you say, how does the 1.5m get divvied up between both us and Dees? I assume the contract length stays the same? And clearly we wouldnt want to be paying that much in a trade - lets be generous and say 1 x first rounder this year worth approx pick 22-25 after FS/NGA

Is that how you see it working?

Dees pay 500k per year for the next 5 years?
Crows pay 1m per year for the next 5 years?
Crows pay Dees 1 x first rounder to take him off their books?

I am just not sure EITHER club finds the above attractive but keen to understand how you think this could be structured up (and ideally we would have protections in case he went off the deep end again with all his known previous issues from a couple of years ago)

It started off as $7m over 7 years, backended or not, to be $1.5m x 5, Clayton would have to have paid Melbourne over the last 2 years.

 

[1970crow]

I would hope (and expect) that we have already had many conversations with his manager about exactly that

Ross mentioned about 3 key signings when on one of the footy shows following NWM extension and Phillipou was one of them. I think he’s very high up in their plans.

 

[1970crow]

I'm a bit annoyed that Flanders seems to be in the market but he's going to St Kilda (!).

Ross and SOS - name a bigger pair of flogs

Kristof and Mego Red.

I like Ross, why’s your problem with him?

 

[1970crow]

Possibly, but you've also got to wonder why Carlton delisted a 21 year old key forward/ruck, especially as his numbers look ok at VFL level from a quick glance.

Agree. Carlton know what they’re doing, not like Lions when they delisted Keays and Hinge.

 

[1970crow]

We're talking a 1 year rookie deal here too see what he's got, showed plenty as a big gangly junior and it is Carlton after all, not the happiest place to be developing in recent years. 201cm athletic talls don't get any shorter as they develop

As logical as this sounds, I can’t see us opening up enough spots for speculating on this kid.

 

[1970crow]

Burgess can step in and hold down a role. Kenney has no evidence of that yet

The problem with this philosophy is that it limits our ceiling. If all you have on your list is best 23 and depth cover then all you can do is gradually worsen over time. A few depth players is ok, but the largest portion of current non-best 23 need to have potential to push existing players from being first choice.

 

[spenze]

He would be a really cheap get.

Carlton has asked him to find a new club, normally that means that they just want to salary dump him for a token draft pick.

I'd like to see us take a chance on him, however I think we all know this club well enough to know that we normally avoid these type of players like the plagu

I'd really like us to make a success of him.

I won't criticise the club if they don't go near him, though. If Carlton have asked him to look elsewhere it probably means if they can't move him on or sack him, he won't be allowed near the club.

 

[Mostyn]

Strange then isn't it that Carlton re-committed to him before his initial rookie contract ran out if he was showing nothing hey?

Binns and Lemmey recommit to the Blues

Jaxon Binns and Harry Lemmey have signed contract extensions with Carlton.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Key forward Lemmey was drafted to Carlton from West Adelaide with pick No.47. With proven athleticism and clean hands, Lemmey has been eager to learn and improve during his time at the Club.

Standing at 200 centimetres, Lemmey has displayed he has the skill set to make it at AFL level, with his best game this season coming in Round 16 against Coburg with 19 disposals, seven marks, eight hitouts and a goal.

The 19-year-old has also stepped up into the ruck over the last month and shown great promise, averaging 9.2 hitouts in the past five games.

Carlton Head of List Management Nick Austin said Binns and Lemmey have impressed with their dedication to their craft.

“We are pleased to see Jaxon and Harry continue as Carlton players for the coming years. The re-signing is a testament to the drive and hard-work they put in at training, which has been reflected in their great seasons in the VFL so far,” Austin said. “Harry has shown real promise since his start at Carlton. Having Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow to learn and grow his craft from has been huge for his development and we look forward to seeing him develop further over the next two years.”

I don't get your point?

They gave a draftee another year and then realized he had no future. How is that positive for the draftee?

I would have thought three years is more than enough info to know if someone has any upside