2025 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[Bald Headed Flog]

For freo
Brayshaw in
Bolton serong Treacy squad

For a team who have been thoroughly dismantled in the middle multiple times this year, I think it’s ambitious to have 3 midfielders within reach of AA

 

[Pistol Night]

For a team who have been thoroughly dismantled in the middle multiple times this year, I think it’s ambitious to have 3 midfielders within reach of AA

But also keeping in line with the thread for bias

 

[Bulldog Joe]

It was easy to misinterpret your original post.

English averages those numbers because the Dogs are a really high scoring team.

Score Involvements as a % of Teams Score Involvements:

Gawn - 35%
Marshall - 29.4%
Jackson - 28.8%
Xerri - 26.2%
English - 25.9%
De Kooning - 24.8%

Paints a slightly different picture, so, no, he’s not WAY ahead. It simply means English plays in a higher scoring team than Xerri.

Again I am not commenting on the relative merits.
I was just highlighting what was originally posted.

I don't dispute your point either, but English has a raw number of score involvements that is well ahead of Xerri (71-54).

FWIW I don't consider English to be in AA discussion at all.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Xerri and English have both been great this year, but let’s be honest - Gawn remains the number 1 ruck in the competition, and is on track for yet another AA. Maybe the other two battle it out for a second ruck spot but Gawns the clear best

on what criteria?
X is ahead of him in the awards, and he spanked Max when they met earlier this year

 

[FootyLad0]

You weren’t just sharing stats, mate.

Your pretending to have neutrality but your earlier post wasn't neutral at all. It had emotive framing.

You framed Daicos’s fourth quarter as a “meltdown,” called his reaction a “tanty,” and acted like being tagged by a player with limited footy background was some kind of humiliation.

That’s not analysis, that’s bait.

I like how you ignore all the parts where I said Daicos is a gun, he had a poor quarter but he’d still be a star anywhere.
Cherry picking is fun isn’t it.

 

[Rod Stroker]

You can defensive about Xerri and his standing as a ruckman,

Using facts to educate ignorant posters = "defensive". LOL!

but your post has no relevance to the one you answered.

my response was in reply to the comment of "and both are along way ahead of any other contenders"
So yeah, relevant.

 

[Sphynx]

Xerri and English have both been great this year, but let’s be honest - Gawn remains the number 1 ruck in the competition, and is on track for yet another AA. Maybe the other two battle it out for a second ruck spot but Gawns the clear best

Max has had 1 season in his 7 x All-Australian seasons where he took home the AFLCA award (2018).

Xerri is the current league leader. Gawns the only ruckman to win the award since 2003. Goodes won it as a midfielder.

So I think it's fair to say he deserves a little bit more respect than "been great" as a passing comment if he continues at this rate...

As far as I can tell, no AFLCA winner has ever missed the AA side.

I'd say, the top 3 each year probably never have either without looking.

2024 - Heeney, Neale, Daicos (Yes)
2023 - Butters, Daicos, Bontempelli (Yes)
2022 - Neale, Oliver, Miller (Yes)
2021 - Oliver, Bonte, Petracca (Yes)
2020 - Neale, Oliver, Boak (Yes)
2019 - Bont, Dangerfield, Tim Kelly (yes)
2018 - Gawn, Mitchell, Cripps (Yes)
2017 - Martin, Dangerfield, Sloane (No)
2016 - Dangerfield, Sloane, Martin (Yes)
2015 - Hanneberry, Fyfe, Kennedy (Yes)
2014 - Gray, Fyfe, Kennedy (Yes)
2013 - Pendlebury, Ablett, Selwood (Yes)
2012 - Cotchin, Beams, Dangerfield (Yes).


So, 1 player in 36 AFLCA podium finishes in the last 12 years have not made AA.

 

[RonnieRaven]

For a team who have been thoroughly dismantled in the middle multiple times this year, I think it’s ambitious to have 3 midfielders within reach of AA

Have been dismantled twice
(-10 clearance)
Have dismantled 4 teams
(+10 clearance)
Won 7 of 10 clearance battles
Serong number 1 for centre clearances by 9
Brayshaw 3rd for score inv behind Richard’s and Gawn who are both starting 18
Bolton is predominantly half fwd

 

[gungho]

Bias and all that but Bolton's honing in on the graveyard half forward flank role.

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Both Xerri and Gawn are locks at the moment.

 

[Mr Meow]

Have been dismantled twice
(-10 clearance)
Have dismantled 4 teams
(+10 clearance)
Won 7 of 10 clearance battles
Serong number 1 for centre clearances by 9
Brayshaw 3rd for score inv behind Richard’s and Gawn who are both starting 18
Bolton is predominantly half fwd

Fremantle are 12th in the comp for scores from stoppage differential. 10th in the league for defending stoppages, 9th for scoring from them.

 

[eth-dog]

Goals and Assists round 10:

1. Jack Higgins 36 (28/8)
2. Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

34 (29/5)/Riley Thilthorpe (23/11)
4. Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

32 (27/5)/Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

(25/7)/Jack Gunston

19

Jack Gunston

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

(23/9)
7. Jamie Elliott 31 (23/8)
8. Jesse Hogan

23

Jesse Hogan

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

29 (25/4)/Nick Larkey

20

Nick Larkey

Age

27

Ht

198cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

(23/6)
10. Josh Treacy 27 (23/4)

 

[Trav 20]

on what criteria?
X is ahead of him in the awards, and he spanked Max when they met earlier this year

Xerri is a tackling and clearance king. But I don't want crap clearances from a ruckman.

Gawn averages 20% more disposals, Gawn has more score involvements, in fact Gawn leads the league in percentage score involvements from disposals, they're about the same in hitouts and Gawn has taken 56 marks to Xerri's 18.

Gawn has taken 22 contested marks to Xerri's 4.

Gawn leads the league in ruck hardball gets (Xerri 2nd) and he also leads the league in score launches (Xerri 3rd).

Gawn has 41 intercepts to Xerri's 21.

Xerri leads the league in hitouts to advantage 11.9 and Gawn is 5th 10.1.

Gawn is no slouch in crap clearances also, he averages over 6 to Xerri's nearly 7.9.

I suppose it's what you prefer. They're similar in their hitout stats but Gawn gets more of it and marks it a hell of a lot more.

But if you like tackles and ruckman throwing it on their boot Xerri is your man.

If Xerri dominates Gawn again in a few weeks I'll concede. If it's a nil all contest, or Gawn wins it's game on.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Have been dismantled twice
(-10 clearance)
Have dismantled 4 teams
(+10 clearance)
Won 7 of 10 clearance battles
Serong number 1 for centre clearances by 9
Brayshaw 3rd for score inv behind Richard’s and Gawn who are both starting 18
Bolton is predominantly half fwd

Refer to this comment:

Fremantle are 12th in the comp for scores from stoppage differential. 10th in the league for defending stoppages, 9th for scoring from them.

Looking only at clearance numbers alone is just as meaningless as raw hit out numbers. The Dogs just completely obliterated Essendon, but lost the hitouts and centre clearances... Meanwhile Richards, Libba and English all featured in the votes.

Brayshaw and Serong I'd have in the squad at this point. Bolton wouldn't even be in the conversation right now. If you're putting mid/forwards in the side, Matt Kennedy or Isaac Heeney would be far more likely to feature in the side/squad as a half forward than Bolton

 

[adonski]

BOWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Goals and Assists round 10:

1. Jack Higgins 36 (28/8)
2. Ben King 34 (29/5)/Riley Thilthorpe (23/11)
4. Jeremy Cameron 32 (27/5)/Darcy Fogarty (25/7)/Jack Gunston (23/9)
7. Jamie Elliott 31 (23/8)
8. Jesse Hogan 29 (25/4)/Nick Larkey (23/6)
10. Josh Treacy 27 (23/4)

Using this for reference, the small forward spot will be interesting this year. Been little hype around him so far, but Rhylee West is sitting at 26 in this metric (18 goals, 8 GA). Would be 3rd among small forwards. If you look at Score Involvements, right now it's Greene on 73, West on 72 then Elliot on 70.

The Dogs remaining as the top offensive team this year despite losing Weightman and JUH for the year, and Darcy for most of it, is largely due to guys like West and Sanders helping create so many scoring opportunities. Provided the Dogs don't capitulate by year end like they've had a tendency to do in recent years, I think this will help West's case for selection

 

[Rod Stroker]

Xerri is a tackling and clearance king. But I don't want crap clearances from a ruckman.

Gawn averages 20% more disposals, Gawn has more score involvements, in fact Gawn leads the league in percentage score involvements from disposals, they're about the same in hitouts and Gawn has taken 56 marks to Xerri's 18.

Gawn has taken 22 contested marks to Xerri's 4.

Gawn leads the league in ruck hardball gets (Xerri 2nd) and he also leads the league in score launches (Xerri 3rd).

Gawn has 41 intercepts to Xerri's 21.

Xerri leads the league in hitouts to advantage 11.9 and Gawn is 5th 10.1.

Gawn is no slouch in crap clearances also, he averages over 6 to Xerri's nearly 7.9.

I suppose it's what you prefer. They're similar in their hitout stats but Gawn gets more of it and marks it a hell of a lot more.

But if you like tackles and ruckman throwing it on their boot Xerri is your man.

If Xerri domiantes Gawn again in a few weeks I'll concede. If it's a nil all contest, or Gawn wins it's game on.

Good answer!

Gotta admire Max putting up those numbers at his age.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Using facts to educate ignorant posters = "defensive". LOL!

my response was in reply to the comment of "and both are along way ahead of any other contenders"
So yeah, relevant.

The post was in relation to one stat only and on raw numbers Xerri is well behind.

Your post did not have relevance to that particular stat.

Another North poster subsequently gave an explanation by comparing the same stat as a percentage for the team.
That was relevant to the earlier point.

I am actually on your side with Xerri.
Would have him as AA ruckman and only Gawn is an alternative.

However, that is not what the poster you quoted was addressing.

 

[Toump Ass]

Gawn's and Xerri are LOCKED IN, only question is which one takes the bench spot.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Gawn's and Xerri are LOCKED IN, only question is which one takes the bench spot.

dude, there's still 15 weeks left, a long time to go.

 

[Toump Ass]

dude, there's still 15 weeks left, a long time to go.

I've seen enough.

 

[RCAB]

I like how you ignore all the parts where I said Daicos is a gun, he had a poor quarter but he’d still be a star anywhere.
Cherry picking is fun isn’t it.

You didn’t lead with “Nick is a gun.” You led with:

“meltdown”

“tanty”

“running loose”

and a smug “oh”


Then, after you got challenged, you backflipped... “he’s still a gun". That's the not the post I was responding to initially.

You didn’t say he was a gun, you said it just enough to pretend you weren’t melting.


Mmm. Nice melt.

 

[FootyLad0]

You didn’t lead with “Nick is a gun.” You led with:

“meltdown”

“tanty”

“running loose”

and a smug “oh”


Then, after you got challenged, you backflipped... “he’s still a gun". That's the not the post I was responding to initially.

You didn’t say he was a gun, you said it just enough to pretend you weren’t melting.


Mmm. Nice melt.

He gave away a 50m penalty by giving a late hit way after Mullin beat him to the ball because he got frustrated…then argued with the umpire after he did it because he was getting frustrated.
What would you call it?

I pointed out a stat (which is a fact) something that still hasn’t been addressed in your continual avoidance to answer the freaking point
Then when you said it was a “MeLt” which btw is just totally wrong in the use of the slang when it’s not even remotely the definition of a melt, you ironically had a melt that I was attacking the player when I even said he was a star, that stars get tagged and it’s not that big a deal.

And yet you’re still going having a fit over someone pointing out a correct stat.
Who’s doing what again?

“Mmm nice melt”

 

[pazza]

On Zach Reid watch. Take last week out buthe has had a number of impressive weeks as an intercepting CHB.

 

[STPer18]

Wow, our rosy-cheeked Rising Star is dominating!