News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Elixuh]

What’ll happen is they’ll make these changes. Clubs like Carlton and Essendon will get reamed. Then there will be all these easily foreseeable issues with the changes and they’ll revert it all.

And I’m here for it.

 

[RUNVS]

I look at this the other way. The academy has given the Swans guaranteed access to multiple first round picks they otherwise wouldn't have got.

The academy is literally the backbone to the current Swans team. Heeney, Blakey, Gulden, Campbell.

Except it doesn't really work like that. Those first round picks usually cost first round picks to get.

 

[Bostonian]

They can trade 3 draft hands (2 into the future and the one currently in) if the club can't manage to get the player in the door from that, that's squarely on there mismanagement of their list. In a normal draft players rarely stay ranked 1 all through the yr, and teams still manage.

Further to this.

How can clubs plan ahead 12 months when nobody knows what the rules will be in 12 months?

 

[outabounds]

Free agency and the scrapping of the Father son is ripping the romance out of the sport. Its just another nail in the coffin for my love of the game. I'm pretty glad I had a childhood where my idols lived and breathed for the club and I knew putting a number on my jumper was for good. Andrew Dillon is the worst adminstrator the game has ever had.

 

[Purple Suit]

This’ll just lead to even worse rorting and draft tampering. Northern clubs may even get some absolute bargains out of it.

Then you’ll have vfl clubs drafting academy players who will request a trade back after 2-3 years and you’ll be having to deal with 1 club and getting cents on the dollar.

Will it? Might still be better than propping up Northern Clubs so they can contend for 7 years straight and not even look like dipping. Brisbane haven’t even suffered the 1 year dip of the Swans & GWS.

 

[Elixuh]

Will it? Might still be better than propping up Northern Clubs so they can contend for 7 years straight and not even look like dipping. Brisbane haven’t even suffered the 1 year dip of the Swans & GWS.

Geelong has been up for like 15 years

 

[Coach_Required]

So you want a system to develop where other clubs can extort another club with ridiculous demands?

Extort? come off it.

There is nothing stopping this kid from moving to the club his dad played for once his contract is up, if he really has his heart set on it.

Your way of thinking is if a club invests time into developing the kid, then that club should get priority access to that player. How is this any different to what Gold Coast is doing with their academy kids atm?

This change needs to happen as it becoming a joke for teams struggling down the lower end of the ladder, the current system is wrong, why should you benefit at the expense of a club like North Melbourne who don't have the resources of some other teams therefore don't get a chance to pick a kid if he turns out to be the most sort after in the draft.

Stuff North hey, they just have to deal with it.

 

[Purple Suit]

Geelong has been up for like 15 years

I know and it’s compromising the competition. Don’t know how the AFL give them the cushiest draw when they made the prelim.

 

[Coach_Required]

Free agency and the scrapping of the Father son is ripping the romance out of the sport. Its just another nail in the coffin for my love of the game. I'm pretty glad I had a childhood where my idols lived and breathed for the club and I knew putting a number on my jumper was for good. Andrew Dillon is the worst adminstrator the game has ever had.

No it's not stop exaggerating. F/S isn't being scrapped just making it harder for teams to rort the top end of the draft.

 

[mpal6]

All this does is open up for more draft tampering.

I.E - Gold Coast suns have pick 12 in the 2030 draft. They have a player who is projected top 10. All that player needs to do is explain he will ask for a trade at the earliest possible opportunity to get back to the Gold coast, if any club with a pick in the first 11 picks takes him. We have seen this before multiple times (Wingard, Bailey Smith etc).

Clubs won't take the risk on a player who isn't committed.

The system is beyond broken.

This is the exact same reason why Eagles had to move back in 2022 and it landed you Sheezel, Wardlaw while losing Horne-Francis.

None of the top liners wanted to leave Victoria which meant West Coast had to go pick 8 and 12 for pick 2 and settle for West Australia based players.

 

[Elixuh]

I know and it’s compromising the competition. Don’t know how the AFL give them the cushiest draw when they made the prelim.

Sydney was basically up for a long long time

 

[Vindicater]

Get rid of the discount.

Allow teams to only match up to their original draft points values before trades/compo.

So assuming Brisbane win the premiership they would only be allowed to match using the points values of pick 18, 36 and 54 which equals 1167.

Thus they could only match a bid for Annable from pick 12 onwards with whatever picks they actually have after trades,compo, etc.

 

[mpal6]

Geelong has been up for like 15 years

I think they confirmed having cap space for Butters and Reid too earlier this year

Shock claim Cats ‘have cap room for two stars’; Saint’s call after bombshell — Trade Whispers

Shock claim Cats ‘have cap room for two stars’; Saint’s call after bombshell — Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Should bin father son all together.

Archaic, unfair and outdated.

Theres a reason the AFL is the only competition in the world that has it. It's because it's ridiculous.

 

[Coach_Required]

This is the exact same reason why Eagles had to move back in 2022 and it landed you Sheezel, Wardlaw while losing Horne-Francis.

None of the top liners wanted to leave Victoria which meant West Coast had to go pick 8 and 12 for pick 2 and settle for West Australia based players.

Then after making this decision, the following year they drafted the best kid in the draft and touted a huge flight risk.

 

[mpal6]

Sydney was basically up for a long long time

and we lost our father son Blakey to their academy too !! Another father son bites the dust for the Lions - goes as far back as Marc Murphy - 300 game Carlton Legend now !!

I watch with amusement when we lost these players there wasn't even a ripple or murmur of things being unfair to Lions. When you finally get some good luck going your way, pitch forks are out and mob is baying for blood.

 

[mpal6]

Then after making this decision, the following year they drafted the best kid in the draft and touted a huge flight risk.

He still is a flight risk, that's why they are forking out $2M and been forced to beg him all season to stay.
A 20 year old messiah lol

 

[Coach_Required]

Get rid of the discount.

Allow teams to only match up to their original draft points values before trades/compo.

So assuming Brisbane win the premiership they would only be allowed to match using the points values of pick 18, 36 and 54 which equals 1167.

Thus they could only match a bid for Annable from pick 12 onwards with whatever picks they actually have after trades,compo, etc.

This makes sense, if a kid is touted as pick 1, then you need to make sure you have 3,000 points to pick him. If a kid is touted as pick 30 and ends up pick 10 and you don't have the points, then that's just bad luck and the reason why a change is needed.

 

[Purple Suit]

Sydney was basically up for a long long time

Yep,
On the back of academies & cola before that. A level playing field would be nice but it seems like in the process of helping GC & GWS they allowed Sydney & Brisbane a chance to build Dynasties.

Stopping it now is a start but it will take another 10 years for it to flow through. Imagine how good Sydney would be if they had of nailed their other top 10 draft picks that are busts.

 

[Coach_Required]

He still is a flight risk, that's why they are forking out $2M and been forced to beg him all season to stay.
A 20 year old messiah lol

Yep, such a flight risk that he is still staying for the next 3 years? He isnt JHF.

 

[Elixuh]

Yep,
On the back of academies & cola before that. A level playing field would be nice but it seems like in the process of helping GC & GWS they allowed Sydney & Brisbane a chance to build Dynasties.

Stopping it now is a start but it will take another 10 years for it to flow through. Imagine how good Sydney would be if they had of nailed their other top 10 draft picks that are busts.

You’re focusing on the wrong things but I’ll let you go off

 

[mpal6]

Yep, such a flight risk that he is still staying for the next 3 years? He isnt JHF.

They are forking out one of the highest salaries across the entire competition to make him stay. Are you saying he's worth more than Bontempelli ? The economics of retaining him at that level while trying to rebuild around him doesn't add up in my humble view.

Eagles are going down Carlton path - inflated salaries at one end of scale to retain top talent while not having enough in the plate to share around.

 

[Coach_Required]

They are forking out one of the highest salaries across the entire competition to make him stay. Are you saying he's worth more than Bontempelli ? The economics of retaining him at that level while trying to rebuild around him doesn't add up in my humble view.

Eagles are going down Carlton path - inflated salaries at one end of scale to retain top talent while not having enough in the plate to share around.

Not true, even if they are paying him $2mill a year that's 11.3% of the current salary cap. In 2017 we signed Dusty on $1.5 mill a season and that was 12.05% of our salary cap back then. Think we did pretty well from that signature.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Are there any genuine reasons as to why it's a bad thing outside "everyone else got theirs, I want mine?"

• Academies will still continue if they are locked out of the first round, the benefits are still massive and it hasnt stopped NGAs continuing. More kids from your state is a good thing regardless of where they are drafted
• We already have heaps of Vic kids "strongly advising" they dont be picked up so much so that non-Vics have to have different draft boards. If it goes the other way a bit, who cares, at least it's equal
• Yes, the clubs that have benefitted from it so much already will have a leg up lasting 10 years. Doing it now is still 1 day close to fixing a massive issue then doing it tomorrow.

Fair criticism is the AFL is a micky mouse organisation that hasnt even seen the effect of their points changes yet and a blanket first round ban is a lazy way to do it but it still seems the main argument against it is "I want my turn"

 

[Coach_Required]

Are there any genuine reasons as to why it's a bad thing outside "everyone else got theirs, I want mine?"

• Academies will still continue if they are locked out of the first round, the benefits are still massive and it hasnt stopped NGAs continuing. More kids from your state is a good thing regardless of where they are drafted
• We already have heaps of Vic kids "strongly advising" they dont be picked up so much so that non-Vics have to have different draft boards. If it goes the other way a bit, who cares, at least it's equal
• Yes, the clubs that have benefitted from it so much already will have a leg up lasting 10 years. Doing it now is still 1 day close to fixing a massive issue then doing it tomorrow.

Fair criticism is the AFL is a micky mouse organisation that hasnt even seen the effect of their points changes yet and a blanket first round ban is a lazy way to do it but it still seems the main argument against it is "I want my turn"

100% agree

What's ironic is take Carlton for example, if these rules were to come in after next season, they wouldn't give a crap about the changes. They are getting all worked up about the romance of F/S picks, yet one of their biggest family names spanning 3 generations has just walked out the door and they aren't concerned, in fact they have turned on that name big time.