News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Elixuh]

Honestly hadn't thought that far ahead. Once the team picks the player then there's a time frame on trying to facilitate the trade on the draft night, perhaps both sides get the additional extensions they are allowed to try and work a trade out?

It kind of has to be worked out on the spot as it’ll impact the rest of the draft. So the afl would never agree to it.

If it’s an on the spot thing then it’ll never work. The only time it’ll work is where there is some kind of draft tampering/collusion.

And no team is giving up 3 firsts to draft 1 first rounder.

Your proposal will just mean that the academies wind up.

 

[Ashman23]

What about opening a trade period after the national draft so clubs can then try a trade for the player they missed out on at the draft?

 

[Lore]

What about opening a trade period after the national draft so clubs can then try a trade for the player they missed out on at the draft?

Would require a new CBA

 

[Elixuh]

What about opening a trade period after the national draft so clubs can then try a trade for the player they missed out on at the draft?

The practicalities will mean it’s a pointless exercise basically. The team losing the player also then has to fill the list spot with someone from the rookie draft.

The AFL just needs to ignore the noise rather than watering something down that is finally demonstrating proof of concept. Just fix the points and get rid of discounts.

 

[Stamos]

Yeah but it should never have been free, that’s how the problem started.

No one would ever trade pick 1 for pick 18, 36, 54 and 72. So if the premiers get pick 1 through academy or f/s it should wipe out more than a year of picks. It should wipe out a whole year plus another first rounder, at least. Top 5 picks are that valuable.

And that’s how it now works

 

[sr36]

I’m still not certain Tevita qualifies for Essendon NGA. The few recruiters I spoke to at the u/16s vic metro vs country game couldn’t explain how he qualifies.

Pacific islands have been added to Asia and Africa as places where you qualify with 1 parent born there. David was born in Fiji.

 

[Suma Magic]

Fair enough.
What would your proposed DVI be?

I’ll try to dig it up later today.

 

[Farang83150]

It’s Tasmania, not the moon. They have pubs, clubs and party drugs there too.

You think an 18 yr old with the option to go to the majority of other states is going to have Tassie at the top of his list...

 

[sr36]

I think the current AFL proposal is the right one. Get rid of first round matching.

F/S, NGA and Northern Acdemies all have excellent aspects so getting rid of them completely is probably not the way to go, but they're terrible for equalisation.

Not only do they weaken the draft as an equalisation measure - the zones aren't even remotely equal. They give some teams a really big recruiting advantage over other teams.

 

[Lore]

You think an 18 yr old with the option to go to the majority of other states is going to have Tassie at the top of his list...

Well first of all 18 year olds don’t get to choose. Secondly, if 18 year olds were choosing based on the temperature and the nightlife they’d all be trying to get to the Gold Coast, but I don’t recall any great flocks of draftees asking to go there either. “”

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

No need to can it. Just get crows and port to rotate having 12 home 11 away one year with 11 home 12 away the next year. Not sure why it doesn’t happen already.

Or just have the Showdown take place during Gather Round

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think the current AFL proposal is the right one. Get rid of first round matching.

F/S, NGA and Northern Acdemies all have excellent aspects so getting rid of them completely is probably not the way to go, but they're terrible for equalisation.

Not only do they weaken the draft as an equalisation measure - the zones aren't even remotely equal. They give some teams a really big recruiting advantage over other teams.

No issue but are you giving a bit of your advantages away? Lets start with the endless home games? Any solution someone is getting rorted. Least we have the right person in charge who will make a fair call for everyone. I have no issue so long as some advantages are wiped the other way, that's only fair.

 

[kreuze_missile]

I think the current AFL proposal is the right one. Get rid of first round matching.

I could not disagree more.

I'd encourge the AFL to keep tweaking bid matching so that fairer market value is paid in the first round.

Or get rid of everything.

There is no logical middle ground.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I could not disagree more.

I'd encourge the AFL to keep tweaking bid matching so that fairer market value is paid in the first round.

Or get rid of everything.

There is no logical middle ground.

Whatever the do, can we leave it alone after it till after the Tasmania drafts. No changing till after them

 

[Optemizer]

Current system is fine just needs tweaking, get rid of any discounts and maybe adjust what each draft pick is worth in points so its a bigger scale compared to current one. Teams won't want to put money into developing players in their academies if they can only draft the weaker ones.

 

[Stamos]

I think the current AFL proposal is the right one. Get rid of first round matching.

F/S, NGA and Northern Acdemies all have excellent aspects so getting rid of them completely is probably not the way to go, but they're terrible for equalisation.

Not only do they weaken the draft as an equalisation measure - the zones aren't even remotely equal. They give some teams a really big recruiting advantage over other teams.

So for clarity, Nick Daicos should not be a Collingwood player?

 

[sr36]

No issue but are you giving a bit of your advantages away? Lets start with the endless home games? Any solution someone is getting rorted. Least we have the right person in charge who will make a fair call for everyone. I have no issue so long as some advantages are wiped the other way, that's only fair.

Are you talking about the teams who play 13 games at their home ground 11 of them with a significant advantage. The teams who play 13 games at their home ground about 5 of them with an advantage. The team who plays 14 games at their home ground - about 5 of them with an advantage. Or perhaps one of the teams that plays 11 home games all of them with an advantage?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Are you talking about the teams who play 13 games at their home ground 11 of them with a significant advantage. The teams who play 13 games at their home ground about 5 of them with an advantage. The team who plays 14 games at their home ground - about 5 of them with an advantage. Or perhaps one of the teams that plays 11 home games all of them with an advantage?

How about giving SA sides an extra one each year for the sake of it, lets start with that one. Get rid of it we all know it's not fair. Not travelling out of your state is a massive advantage though neutral or not sleeping in your own bed etc. You want to take the advantages other states have how about giving some of these back, it has to be finding a middle ground where everyone gives up a bit

 

[sr36]

I could not disagree more.

I'd encourge the AFL to keep tweaking bid matching so that fairer market value is paid in the first round.

Or get rid of everything.

There is no logical middle ground.

Fair market value is simple - no matching and teams have to trade. Clubs only match if it's beneficial. There is no system other than trade that will consistently give fair market value.

Personally, I think the AFL should make it compolsury to invest a certain amount of the distirbution into footy academies and the benefit of producing more players from your local area and thus also growing your fan base should be enough to encourage teams to go hard on them anyway (albeit not NGA specific versions).

But the consesus seems to be that clubs won't do so without a draft benefit. So the middle ground is logical. Academies with the benefit reduced to the minimum that still encourages clubs to run good academies.

The either/or option forces something where you only focus on equilisation or you only focus on growth of the game. The reality in this situation is that they are competing forces, so considering both are priorities, it's an are where compromise in the middle is logical.

 

[sr36]

So for clarity, Nick Daicos should not be a Collingwood player?

Collingwood should have had to trade to get him. Or actually in this case, we probably wouldn't have had to as we wouldn't have traded the future first that probably would have gotten us Nick in the draft anyway if the system wasn't the way it was.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How about giving SA sides an extra one each year for the sake of it, lets start with that one. Get rid of it we all know it's not fair. Not travelling out of your state is a massive advantage though neutral or not sleeping in your own bed etc. You want to take the advantages other states have how about giving some of these back, it has to be finding a middle ground where everyone gives up a bit

Marquee time slots and games
Travel
Membership number
Percentage of local talent on your list
Sponsorship opportunities at team and state
Academies / NGA / Father son

There are too many things to completely make the comp even, we just need to try to make it as close as possible.

 

[sr36]

How about giving SA sides an extra one each year for the sake of it, lets start with that one. Get rid of it we all know it's not fair. Not travelling out of your state is a massive advantage though neutral or not sleeping in your own bed etc. You want to take the advantages other states have how about giving some of these back, it has to be finding a middle ground where everyone gives up a bit

It's for a different thread.

But I view the MCG GF as a legitimite advantage.
And the big KMs flown by the WA teams as a legitimite disadvantage.
A team like Sydney has the home ground, sleeping in your own bed and travel advantage the same amount of time as they have that disadvantage. So does Collingwood. It nets out.

There is potentially an accumulated disadvantage of travel with 5 extra Sydney - Melbourne flights over the course of a 25 week home and away season - but I don't think that's significant at all.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Collingwood should have had to trade to get him. Or actually in this case, we probably wouldn't have had to as we wouldn't have traded the future first that probably would have gotten us Nick in the draft anyway if the system wasn't the way it was.

You would’ve been bent over trying to move up one spot

 

[longdonkey]

This discussion is a complete fiasco because there are very easy ways to do this fairly, but that is not the AFL's Agenda. They are going to screw a few clubs and then bring it back in a couple years.

Here's what fair could look like

Player is matched in the first round you are given an amount of points to pay dependent on where you finished the previous year that you need to pay to match the bid


Points needed to match bids

First Round: Finished 1st - 3000 pts 2nd 2750 .......18th 850pts
Second Round Finished 1st - 1200 pts 2nd 1100 .......18th 350pts

The club then has the choice to match or not. If they match the full amount is taken from next available picks that team has and if they don't have enough points then it gets taken from the next year etc.

So teams at the pointy end of the table have to pay a premium and in most cases will probably go to the draft. Bottom clubs get a discount and can equalise the competition.

But at least that gives the clubs who develop the players an opportunity to pick that player.

 

[sr36]

You would’ve been bent over trying to move up one spot

Maybe. Complete guess how North and Collingwood rated JHF, Nick and Sam Darcy.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out if no first round matching comes in next year

My theory is that Port will get Dougie Cochrane at a discount anyway. Who's going to spend what he'll be worth at the draft when he's likely to be such a flight risk. And if someone does and Port and Cochrane are committed to each other, he'll get there by trade, probably at a discount.