News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Saab NLAW]

Technically no.

He played Australian Football.

He played IN the WAFL.

He also never played in the VFL/AFL.

AFL is a general term for Aussie rules footy. I stated he played AFL , not that he played in the AFL

So technically your post is irrelevant and not needed

 

[Only Forwards]

The issue is not the Academies, but the access to them that the northern teams enjoy. I don’t think any reasonable person could have an issue with them existing, more that the 4 northern clubs have priority access to them.

In order to alleviate the need for the Northern clubs having this access the AFL would need to have a solution to the go home factor that they were set up to help solve.

I believe that the answer is for the clubs to trade a player for the best offer rather than for the player being able to nominate a club and tie the club they are drafted to that nominated club.

It'd make players more wary of cutting and running.

the pathways themselves are a good thing, they should be centrally funded and in every state. With the prospect on a 19th (and I would assume a pathway to a 20th) side the talent pool is simply going to need to be bigger.

However as a disclaimer this would be under the assumption that the AFL want something that looks remotely fair. There has never been any indication that this is the case at all.

 

[Bostonian]

I don't see the problem really. The more quality kids in the overall pool the better, even if they are academy tied.

The problem is that some teams have access to them at cents to the dollar.

The point system needs to be scrapped.

Makes a mockery of the draft.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

AFL is a general term for Aussie rules footy. I stated he played AFL

But AFL isn't the name of the sport.

The sport is Australian Football.

The AFL is the highest profile, most profitable and most covered league, of which, its sport is Australian Football.

AFL is not nor should it ever be considered a genericised trademark.

 

[Membling]

The same Callum Mills whose grandfather played AFL, supported Sydney from a very young age and started playign footy at age 4? The same Callum Mills whose mum admitted that he always carried a footy around with him, even when playing rugby? The same Callum Mills who only played rugby so he could be with his mates at a young age?

LOL, he was always going to play AFL and even his mum admitted it.

Rort

So you are telling me that there is in no way, shape or form that the Swans academy swayed his decision to play AFL considering he was playing at rep level in union?

That having an established pathway, in no way, shape or form, had an impact in him choosing AFL over any of the rugby codes?

Not even you can by that myopic in your thinking. But again, you are very short sighted on developing the game out of the heartland so would not surprise at all

 

[Saab NLAW]

So you are telling me that there is in no way, shape or form that the Swans academy swayed his decision to play AFL considering he was playing at rep level in union?

That having an established pathway, in no way, shape or form, had an impact in him choosing AFL over any of the rugby codes?

Not even you can by that myopic in your thinking. But again, you are very short sighted on developing the game out of the heartland so would not surprise at all

His own mum confirmed it ffs!

The academies are now just a recruiting zone, stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Sydney fans are the most entitled in the AFL, and so typically you attack the man rather than discussing the topic. I've already recently stated in this thread that I agree with having Academies for GCS and GWS to promote the game in Qld and NSW. You lot are so used to AFL handouts you get angry that someone has the audacity to question it. lol, Sydney fans

 

[Saab NLAW]

But AFL isn't the name of the sport.

The sport is Australian Football.

The AFL is the highest profile, most profitable and most covered league, of which, its sport is Australian Football.

AFL is not nor should it ever be considered a genericised trademark.

Australian football is actually soccer, i've never heard of anyone referring to the AFL as Australian Football

Perhaps you're referring to Australian Rules football?

 

[Membling]

His own mum confirmed it ffs!

The academies are now just a recruiting zone, stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Sydney fans are the most entitled in the AFL, and so typically you attack the man rather than discussing the topic. I've already recently stated in this thread that I agree with having Academies for GCS and GWS to promote the game in Qld and NSW. You lot are so used to AFL handouts you get angry that someone has the audacity to question it. lol, Sydney fans

Sigh.

There is no point because you shift the goal posts or completely avoid answering the question posed ie "do you think that the swans academy had absolutely no influence over Mills choosing AFL over the Rugby codes". Are you suggesting that the academies have no influence in getting junior talent to choose AFL?

Also it is fun to see you completepy avoid discussing players like Abe Davis, Bell, Foote, Naismith, Brandon Jack or Max Sheather who are the less successful proponents of the academies.

The easy solution is to allocate portions of NSW and QLD to each club to invest in and develop junior growth. Incentivise it by enabling one prelisting per club and any other players are put into the bidding system of whatever description the AFL want instead of the NGAs which are absolute tripe.

Most in the AFL states seem hell bent on going back to the NSW Scholarship type system which was so successful in growing the game.

A melbourne fan talking about AFL handouts

 

[Saab NLAW]

Sigh.

There is no point because you shift the goal posts or completely avoid answering the question posed ie "do you think that the swans academy had absolutely no influence over Mills choosing AFL over the Rugby codes". Are you suggesting that the academies have no influence in getting junior talent to choose AFL?

Also it is fun to see you completepy avoid discussing players like Abe Davis, Bell, Foote, Naismith, Brandon Jack or Max Sheather who are the less successful proponents of the academies.

The easy solution is to allocate portions of NSW and QLD to each club to invest in and develop junior growth. Incentivise it by enabling one prelisting per club and any other players are put into the bidding system of whatever description the AFL want instead of the NGAs which are absolute tripe.

Most in the AFL states seem hell bent on going back to the NSW Scholarship type system which was so successful in growing the game.

A melbourne fan talking about AFL handouts

The hypocrisy is not very surprising

 

[HBFlanker]

Is there a world where the 4 NSW/QLD clubs aren't involved in the drafts and only obtain players from their regions? And those players arent in the draft pool at all?

 

[Farang83150]

Well, we don't know if they will all end up being guns, but in terms of players returning to the Eagles:Yeo, Kelly, Langdon, Wellingham, Ah Chee, Jetta, Reddan. How many players have asked for a return to NSW or Queensland in the 40 odd years there have been teams there?

That few years in Auskick must have really been something.

Reddan.....what?

 

[RUNVS]

Is there a world where the 4 NSW/QLD clubs aren't involved in the drafts and only obtain players from their regions? And those players arent in the draft pool at all?

Potentially one day, but right now the academies are not strong enough for that.

 

[GC2015]

Curious - are people more annoyed at the Suns having access to four first round picks through the academy or that it was seemingly "easy" to secure them? Two separate issues.

 

[Caligo]

Curious - are people more annoyed at the Suns having access to four first round picks through the academy or that it was seemingly "easy" to secure them? Two separate issues.

Great question! I would imagine the answer is both, but more the latter.

I certainly think this idea of paying for a top 5 pick with a bunch of 3rd and 4th rounders is ludicrous, but GC is certainly not the only club to have done so, and GC seem to have suffered more blame than other clubs to have done the same thing.

And it would be so easy to fix by making the points table more rational.

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

Is there a world where the 4 NSW/QLD clubs aren't involved in the drafts and only obtain players from their regions? And those players arent in the draft pool at all?

Sydney tried that, the AFL said no

Swans had plan to pull out of draft

Sydney would have completely withdrawn from the national draft and started recruiting exclusively from New South Wales under a radical proposal put to the AFL.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Curious - are people more annoyed at the Suns having access to four first round picks through the academy or that it was seemingly "easy" to secure them? Two separate issues.

And a follow up if it's the first.

How likely do they see it that this happens again in the near future - that one team gets 4 first round players from an academy?

 

[sydney_gws]

And a follow up if it's the first.

How likely do they see it that this happens again in the near future - that one team gets 4 first round players from an academy?

I thought it could be Gold Coast in 2025?
Probably only 2 though, and if you make top 4 only 1

 

[ohmygewd]

And a follow up if it's the first.

How likely do they see it that this happens again in the near future - that one team gets 4 first round players from an academy?

Dunno, I think if GC finish top 4 their academy picks are restricted?
But l reckon it's more likley than not that GC in the near future but whether they are top 5 or 10 picks is anyones guess.
If QLD AFL statement is to believe:
"Across the board, compared to 2019, AFL Queensland has experienced 26 per cent growth in participation. 2023 is the biggest year yet and this milestone comes off the back of two record breaking years for participation in Queensland.

Since 2019, across South East Queensland, the youth and junior competitions have seen an influx of participants, soaring by 40 per cent; more than 4,000 girls now participate in junior competitions, which is an increase of 72 per cent since 2019; overall, AFL Queensland has experienced a 10 per cent rise in female participants in community competitions; and male youth participation has also grown by 12 per cent."

Great for the sport IMO but the debate on academies will ramble on.

 

[RUNVS]

The one positive is that Gold Coast have never played finals. I can't imagine the uproar if Gold Coast won the flag this year and had the same draft hand. Eddie would explode with rage.

No Academy club has ever had the draft haul from Academy players that Gold Coast had this year, and apparently next year is going to be almost as good. Swans have a couple of players too who may go first round, though that is by no means certain yet.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

The one positive is that Gold Coast have never played finals. I can't imagine the uproar if Gold Coast won the flag this year and had the same draft hand. Eddie would explode with rage.

No Academy club has ever had the draft haul from Academy players that Gold Coast had this year, and apparently next year is going to be almost as good. Swans have a couple of players too who may go first round, though that is by no means certain yet.

The Suns only have Lombard next year (2024) who is anticipated to go in the first round. And he seems to be ranked 10-15 on BF.

2025 there were several in the AA U16 team, but this is no guarantee of anything (one of whom will go to Melbourne anyway). Reading the relevant threads those that watched the U16 champs were surprised at the AA side. But some see this as proof of a rort and it seems to be a good stick to bash the academies with.

My understanding of the rules is any team finishing 1-4 can only match one in the first round, and finishing 5-8 can only match two. So the bold scenario is not possible.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

And it would be so easy to fix by making the points table more rational.

This seems the logical move, and I doubt many fans of the northern sides would argue with it, as long as it's applied to FS players also.

 

[.Shotties.]

Reddan.....what?

Yes, there was one out of that who was incorrect. Anything to say about the point of the post?

 

[RUNVS]

I firmly believe a points system would solve all the issues with the compromised draft but setting that aside for now all the players coming through the academies is a good thing for the game.

I think something like 5 academy players were taken in the first 20 picks or something like that. Without them, well the draft itself would have been a lot weaker. Gold Coast would have taken a non-Queenslander as well, meaning the team that had pick 20 in the real world here would instead have pick 25 in reality (take away the academy players and the pick Gold Coast would have used on a non-academy player).

The academies have made the draft stronger and deeper than it would have otherwise been.

 

[Caligo]

This seems the logical move, and I doubt many fans of the northern sides would argue with it, as long as it's applied to FS players also.

Absolutely. Should be applied across the board.

 

[GC2015]

My understanding of the rules is any team finishing 1-4 can only match one in the first round, and finishing 5-8 can only match two. So the bold scenario is not possible.

Correct.

Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS can match bids on academy players at any point in the draft, with the only restriction coming from their on-field performance; a team can match one first-round bid if they reach the preliminary finals, two if they reach the finals but are knocked out in the first two weeks, and an unlimited number if they miss the finals. The rule was introduced during the Giants’ period of premiership contention in the late 2010s.

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