All Australian Team 2016

[liz]

I don't see the relevance of a player's TOG in assessing his relative standing. The Eagles have clearly decided that, at least this season, Naitanui had greatest impact on the game used in bursts. That sounds smart. But it's not valid then to scale up the actual impact he has because he typically doesn't spend as long on the ground as someone like, say, Goldstein. His overall impact might well reduce if the Eagles needed to use him for longer periods.

 

[richolovesgoal]

FB: Rampe, Rance, Shaw
HB: Docherty, Talia, Montagna
M: Gibbs, Ward, Pendlebury
HF: Zorko, Franklin, Martin
FF: Betts, Kennedy, Lynch (GC)
R: Goldstein, Dangerfield, Hannebery
B: Gawn, Neale, Parker, N.Riewoldt

 

[billy fragos]

I don't see the relevance of a player's TOG in assessing his relative standing. The Eagles have clearly decided that, at least this season, Naitanui had greatest impact on the game used in bursts. That sounds smart. But it's not valid then to scale up the actual impact he has because he typically doesn't spend as long on the ground as someone like, say, Goldstein. His overall impact might well reduce if the Eagles needed to use him for longer periods.

Or he simply can't play more minutes because he isn't fit enough...

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I don't see the relevance of a player's TOG in assessing his relative standing. The Eagles have clearly decided that, at least this season, Naitanui had greatest impact on the game used in bursts. That sounds smart. But it's not valid then to scale up the actual impact he has because he typically doesn't spend as long on the ground as someone like, say, Goldstein. His overall impact might well reduce if the Eagles needed to use him for longer periods.

Agreed. He averages approximately the same stats as the others despite playing 25 minutes less than Goldy, and 20 minutes less than Gawn, per game (based on a game time of 120 minutes). It's super impressive, but you can't give him extra credit for it when it comes to AA calcs.

 

[Bollox]

Pendlebury must be a popular bloke.
I look back a Cpl of pages and he's gone from nowhere, all the way to suddenly named at the centre bounce. That was rather fast. On what basis did he deserve it ?
Can someone explain this phenomenon ?...and how he would likely feel extremely lucky to even make the squad right now ?
I even see him ahead of Treloar in some teams.
Maybe someone could give a rational argument how this happened...and why the Pies midfield has been so good it deserves to be 25% of the All Australian midfield.

 

[Forward Press]

Pendlebury must be a popular bloke.
I look back a Cpl of pages and he's gone from nowhere, all the way to suddenly named at the centre bounce. That was rather fast. On what basis did he deserve it ?
Can someone explain this phenomenon ?...and how he would likely feel extremely lucky to even make the squad right now ?
I even see him ahead of Treloar in some teams.
Maybe someone could give a rational argument how this happened...and why the Pies midfield has been so good it deserves to be 25% of the All Australian midfield.

Round 7 - 34 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s
Round 8 - 34 disposals, 9 clearances, 10 inside 50s
Round 9 - 26 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 rebound 50s
Round 10 - 32 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 inside 50s

Basically has been good in the defensive and offensive halves all season.

 

[Bollox]

Round 7 - 34 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s
Round 8 - 34 disposals, 9 clearances, 10 inside 50s
Round 9 - 26 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 rebound 50s
Round 10 - 32 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 inside 50s

Basically has been good in the defensive and offensive halves all season.

Why did you pick stats from just 40% of the season ?
...and has he been better than Treloar ? Y/N ?
I can think of 12-15 midfielders that have had a better season to date...including Treloar. Perhaps as many as 20 if I tried.
I only need to think of maybe 7 and he wouldn't make it.

Has the Pies midfield been that good they deserve 25-30% of the All Aust midfield ?

 

[Sixpence]

Round 7 - 34 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s
Round 8 - 34 disposals, 9 clearances, 10 inside 50s
Round 9 - 26 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 rebound 50s
Round 10 - 32 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 inside 50s

Basically has been good in the defensive and offensive halves all season.

That's just the last 4 weeks. Mitchell's first 5 weeks were awesome, but has been quiet the last few. I think it's just a BigFooty short memories thing. Guys in current form will get picked before guys who started off well. Not complaining as I probably do it too, but that's generally how it goes.

 

[Forward Press]

Why did you pick stats from just 40% of the season ?
...and has he been better than Treloar ? Y/N ?
I can think of 12-15 midfielders that have had a better season to date...including Treloar. Perhaps as many as 20 if I tried.
I only need to think of maybe 7 and he wouldn't make it.

Has the Pies midfield been that good they deserve 25-30% of the All Aust midfield ?

You wanted to know why he leapt into contention from nowhere, I gave you his recent form.

He's not a lock but obviously people are thinking he can keep it up. He has generally been good from Round 2 onwards, even when he was being used behind the ball.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Pendlebury must be a popular bloke.
I look back a Cpl of pages and he's gone from nowhere, all the way to suddenly named at the centre bounce. That was rather fast. On what basis did he deserve it ?
Can someone explain this phenomenon ?...and how he would likely feel extremely lucky to even make the squad right now ?
I even see him ahead of Treloar in some teams.
Maybe someone could give a rational argument how this happened...and why the Pies midfield has been so good it deserves to be 25% of the All Australian midfield.

Maybe has to do with him averaging 32 disposals, 15 contested possessions, 5 clearances, 1 goal and 133 ranking points over the last month.

I wouldn't have him in the current team but he's roaring into contention. He also wasn't terrible in the first month - just well below his usual standards. He's averaging 119 ranking points over the whole season which is the 3rd most in the league.

 

[Bollox]

Maybe has to do with him averaging 32 disposals, 15 contested possessions, 5 clearances, 1 goal and 133 ranking points over the last month.

I wouldn't have him in the current team but he's roaring into contention. He also wasn't terrible in the first month - just well below his usual standards. He's averaging 119 ranking points over the whole season which is the 3rd most in the league.

There are always guys "roaring into contention".
The idea is to pick the All Aust team at Rnd 10. Not to pick a Team of the Month.

Ranking points ? Who gives a shit. I don't care if he averages 35 disp a game if he's not influencing the game much.

If you want to talk stats be realistic and look at his stats.
Just to keep North fans happy for a moment....Jack Ziebell alone has near double the clearances and triple the centre clearances...more tackles more scoreboard pressure etc etc. Where's he gone ? Not in fashion due to a slowish few weeks like say SMitchell and Parker ? So we should ignore 70% of the season in favour of the most recent 40% ?
Pendlebury began with him carrying a niggle and playing much of the first half of the season off half back. If you want to use stats, his teammate Treloar beats him in just about every facet of the game for starters.

In recent weeks Pendlebury has been better than Treloar, but there is no way i'm going to throw away Treloars entire season simply to spruik a bloke who has had one good month and average for the rest. They need to EARN their spots ahead of others. In the same way i'd like to see Dustin Martin keep his form going to catch up before conveniently forgetting about the others who have been better over 10rnds.

He simply hasn't had a good enough season to date to be picked All Aust right now. If his form of the last month continues then of course he'll be in with a good chance. That aint how this works though. It isn't "Team of the Month for Short Term Memories"

 

[Jcpdragonx]

I don't see how Pendlebury's selection is debatable. 29 disposals a game, 12 contested, 77% effectiveness. 77% with 10+ contested for a midfielder is almost unheard of, only Ryan Griffen compares. He is just all class and constantly puts himself in the right position. Won them the Richmond game by putting himself at the front of a marking contest, allowing a spill to Grundy. At his best I'd take him over anyone except a fully fit Gary Ablett or Fyfe, and his form over the last month has been his best. When he wasn't at his best earlier in the season, he was still pretty good.

 

[Jobe Watson]

There are always guys "roaring into contention".
The idea is to pick the All Aust team at Rnd 10. Not to pick a Team of the Month.

And Pendlebury has been in elite form (and I'm talking top 3 in the competition form) for near on 40% of the season, and good-average (but well below his elite standard) for the other 60%.

Ranking points ? Who gives a shit. I don't care if he averages 35 disp a game if he's not influencing the game much.

You do know that the ranking points system is ChampionData's quintessential measure for judging influence in a game don't you?

If you want to talk stats be realistic and look at his stats.
Just to keep North fans happy for a moment....Jack Ziebell alone has near double the clearances and triple the centre clearances...more tackles more scoreboard pressure etc etc. Where's he gone ? Not in fashion due to a slowish few weeks like say SMitchell and Parker ? So we should ignore 70% of the season in favour of the most recent 40% ?
Pendlebury began with him carrying a niggle and playing much of the first half of the season off half back. If you want to use stats, his teammate Treloar beats him in just about every facet of the game for starters.

Of course Ziebell is going to be smashing him in inside midfielder stats because that's not the player Pendlebury is. He's far better on the outside than Ziebell and, as you mentioned, has played most of the season on the outside. Even still Pendlebury is beating Ziebell for contested possessions.

Ziebell is of course ahead of Pendlebury so far but North have also had an easy run while Pendlebury has had to battle through lacklustre team form and injury. Ziebs has been consistently good but not spectacular - Pendlebury is far more eye-catching at his best.

He simply hasn't had a good enough season to date to be picked All Aust right now. If his form of the last month continues then of course he'll be in with a good chance. That aint how this works though. It isn't "Team of the Month for Short Term Memories"

I don't disagree, but when you do a rolling team it's only natural that players who have dropped off after good starts like Parker and Mitchell will be replaced by guys in sensational form like Pendlebury and Josh Kennedy.

 

[gym4life]

I don't see how Pendlebury's selection is debatable. 29 disposals a game, 12 contested, 77% effectiveness. 77% with 10+ contested for a midfielder is almost unheard of, only Ryan Griffen compares. He is just all class and constantly puts himself in the right position. Won them the Richmond game by putting himself at the front of a marking contest, allowing a spill to Grundy. At his best I'd take him over anyone except a fully fit Gary Ablett or Fyfe, and his form over the last month has been his best. When he wasn't at his best earlier in the season, he was still pretty good.

Shuey is pretty close with 12 at 73% this is while getting almost double the clearances.

 

[Bollox]

Round 7 - 34 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s
Round 8 - 34 disposals, 9 clearances, 10 inside 50s
Round 9 - 26 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 rebound 50s
Round 10 - 32 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 inside 50s

Basically has been good in the defensive and offensive halves all season.

Good ? How is that All Aust...got any idea how many midfeilders there are playing top level ?..and how few get picked ?
Lets just see if his return even over the last month has been AAworthy to make the midfield.
We'll comapre him to a guy nobody even mentions (including me), and is building but only borderline squadworthy right now.
Anyone have JPK as AA right now ? But you would treat Pendlebury's last month as terrific ?

Last 4 games.
.......................Disp......................Cont Poss.............,....Clear...................Tkls
JPK...........30,40,26,35(131).......17,16,20,22(75)........5,11,7,7(30).........4,3,7,12(26)
Pendles.....34,34,26,32(126)........14,17,13,15(59).........4,9,4,3(20).........7,3,4,6(20)

Before the last 4, almost identical possession averages, but one was playing in the guts and the other getting touches as much across halfback as anywhere.

I am in no way spruiking JPK as AA right now, he's likely equal 3rd best mid at our mob, possibly 2nd best now with Parker off the boil (and somehow forgotton already along with Sam Mitchell and plenty others)
Does picking Pendlebury as one of the top 7 MIDFIELDERS seriously make any sense right now ?
Has he even been playing in the guts or even on a wing for more than maybe 6 games so far ?
Was he AA quality HBF after 4-5 rnds ? I don't recall anybody even suggesting that much. He wasn't in the running for the best of the flankers, and now he's miraculously AA midfield...despite not even producing numbers in line with other A graders that nobody rates All Aust playing in the middle all season.

Apples with Apples as examples. Both serious A graders working their way thru a season.
It is very easy to buy into a story, but there are only 7-8 mids that will be picked. He is still off the pace. So is JPK for that matter.

I don't wish to diminish Treloar's season by suggesting a name player next to him can somehow do far less, yet miraculously make All Aust as soon as he has a run of good games.

I like the guy and would agree if he had earnt it...but the fact is right now he can only get a run due to short term memory syndrome, and being a name player.

I've even seen someone in here claim Dangerfield is now out of the team. It aint about the last month.

 

[Underdog]

I don't see how Pendlebury's selection is debatable. 29 disposals a game, 12 contested, 77% effectiveness. 77% with 10+ contested for a midfielder is almost unheard of, only Ryan Griffen compares.

Except he hasn't played as a midfielder all year - it's been well documented that he started the year off half back.

In the first 4 rounds he was going at 81.2%. In his excellent last 4 rounds he's been going at 71.5%

 

[NinjaSwan]

Pendlebury is definitely in my team, he's been great this year but I feel he is a victim of his own high standards.

If some young player had the same season Pendlebury has had so far everyone would be calling him a lock.

 

[robertg22]

I don't see how Pendlebury's selection is debatable. 29 disposals a game, 12 contested, 77% effectiveness. 77% with 10+ contested for a midfielder is almost unheard of, only Ryan Griffen compares. He is just all class and constantly puts himself in the right position. Won them the Richmond game by putting himself at the front of a marking contest, allowing a spill to Grundy. At his best I'd take him over anyone except a fully fit Gary Ablett or Fyfe, and his form over the last month has been his best. When he wasn't at his best earlier in the season, he was still pretty good.

It's debatable because there's always a lot of good mids that deserve a spot. And yes whoever said Treloar has been better is correct, but the gap has almost completely closed now. At the moment I would consider having both in the team but wouldn't really begrudge anyone for not selecting either I guess. I think his 'quiet' first 4 games are overstated, he was still pretty good.

Round 7 - 34 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s
Round 8 - 34 disposals, 9 clearances, 10 inside 50s
Round 9 - 26 disposals, 4 clearances, 4 rebound 50s
Round 10 - 32 disposals, 6 tackles, 6 inside 50s

Basically has been good in the defensive and offensive halves all season.

Round 5 - 35 disposals, 4 clearances, 6 inside 50s, 6 tackles
Round 6 - 28 disposals, 3 clearances, 5 tackles.

From round 5 onwards he's averaged 32 touches, almost a goal a game, 1.2 goal assists, 5 tackles and 4.5 clearances. It's not just been the last 4 weeks really.

 

[A Swallow]

I don't see the relevance of a player's TOG in assessing his relative standing. The Eagles have clearly decided that, at least this season, Naitanui had greatest impact on the game used in bursts. That sounds smart. But it's not valid then to scale up the actual impact he has because he typically doesn't spend as long on the ground as someone like, say, Goldstein. His overall impact might well reduce if the Eagles needed to use him for longer periods.

Yeah agree with this. If NN played a higher percentage he may well drop off on those stats, because he can't go at it as effectively due to a lower cardio fitness level. That's an educated guess of course, but you certainly can't use his lower TOG% as an extra positive, he's just playing and being used to his strengths, which is bursts of brilliance, not running an oppo into the ground all day.
Smart by NN and WC.

 

[HTPunter]

There are always guys "roaring into contention".
The idea is to pick the All Aust team at Rnd 10. Not to pick a Team of the Month.

Ranking points ? Who gives a shit. I don't care if he averages 35 disp a game if he's not influencing the game much.

Except Pendlebury is influencing games.

Pendlebury began with him carrying a niggle and playing much of the first half of the season off half back. If you want to use stats, his teammate Treloar beats him in just about every facet of the game for starters.

His start has largely been exaggerated. He played well v Richmond, it was largely his own standards that pushed this game down. He was the Pies equal best with Treloar v Melbourne. Top 3 v Essendon. Pies best v Carlton. 2nd to Treloar v Brisbane. Equal BOG with Sidebottom v Geelong. 2nd best for Pies v Dogs. 6/10 games he was in the top 5 or so on the ground. Richmond he was probably 8th-10th, fell away in the 2nd half but was still important in the win.
Leaves the Swans and Eagles game (Pies flogged), and Saints (Pies convincingly beaten).
So his last month has been top-flight, absolute elite tier, his first month was alright (couple of good games, couple of poor games) and the 2 games in between he was pretty good as well.

I'd say Treloar and Pendlebury both deserve to be in the midfield. The fact that they are "25%" of the starting midfield in a bottom 8 side probably has to do with the fact their best forward is a 181cm forward as their two keys are a kid and an American who is probably still trying to work out what a specky is, and their backline has had a few injuries.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Interesting that Treloar and Pendlebury have the no.1 and no.2 kick ratings for the year according to Champion Data (taking into account things like how much pressure they are under with each kick, the degree of difficulty of the kick and so-on).

 

[robertg22]

Interesting that Treloar and Pendlebury have the no.1 and no.2 kick ratings for the year according to Champion Data (taking into account things like how much pressure they are under with each kick, the degree of difficulty of the kick and so-on).

Treloar's disposal in a few early games was a bit off (Richmond game mainly comes to mind) but since then has been really effective.

 

[Thrawn]

Treloar's disposal in a few early games was a bit off (Richmond game mainly comes to mind) but since then has been really effective.

As good as her sword swing, too.

Though she really needs to improve on protecting the ball carrier. She's failed twice already in that area.

 

[pazza]

Just wondering how Tippa ranks stats wise to Gibbs, Docherty and Shaw in terms of AA.

 

[robertg22]

Just wondering how Tippa ranks stats wise to Gibbs, Docherty and Shaw in terms of AA.

lol you've got to be kidding. He has been a great story and has performed well but if they named 4 AA sides he wouldn't make any of them.