All Australian thread 2014

[DrMike]

Just throwing this out there to add to the discussion

Key defenders goals conceded prior to round 23, bolded named in original 40 man AA squad:

PLAYER | CLUB | GOALS CONCEDED | GAMES | AVERAGE

Tom Lonergan (Geelong) — 20 from 20 games (1)

Michael Jamison (Carlton) — 22 from 19 games (1.2)

Zac Dawson (Fremantle) — 23 from 19 games (1.2)

Alex Rance (Richmond) — 22 from 16 games (1.4)

Alipate Carlile (Port Adelaide) — 23 from 16 games (1.4)

Justin Clarke (Brisbane Lions) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Cale Hooker (Essendon) — 29 from 21 games (1.4)

Daniel Talia (Adelaide) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Lynden Dunn (Melbourne) — 30 from 21 games (1.4)

Phil Davis (GWS Giants) 16 from 10 games (1.6)

Scott Thompson (North Melbourne) — 32 from 20 games (1.6)

Eric Mackenzie (West Coast Eagles) — 36 from 21 games (1.7)

Josh Gibson (Hawthorn) — 23 from 13 games (1.8)

Ted Richards (Sydney Swans) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Jack Frost (Collingwood) — 41 from 21 games (1.9)

Steven May (Gold Coast Suns) — 39 from 19 games (2.1)

Luke Delaney (St Kilda) — 47 from 21 games (2.2)

Jordan Roughead (Western Bulldogs) — 37 from 15 games (2.5)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ralian-selection/story-fni5f6yf-1227037688711

 

[Stax on the mill]

I think its time to give your bitterness towards collingwood a bit of a rest mate.

Nah, the poor chap is suffering from incurable Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Something dreadful happened around 2/10/2010. Not sure what it was, but it certainly has had a dramatic effect on him. Quite sad really.

 

[joop]

Bit sensitive aren't we? No need to be churlish. Don't get me wrong. Nicks a reasonable player. It's just that he's never really been the same since Heath Shaw gave him 15 metres start and caught him just before the goal line in the 2010 GF replay. You do remember that one don't you?

Lol! He's a 5 time all Australian, 6 time b&f winner, he goes ok for a reasonable player. I guess that's why Eddie went after him, you seem to be flush with reasonable players these days. How I wish we had Cloke instead of Riewoldt.

 

[Stax on the mill]

If only your key forward wasn't such a spud.....

So much so that your rabble had a few bites to get him across.

 

[kade]

Bench should have been Jacobs, Boak, Harvey and Parker.

no it shouldn't of been. Lewis was better than all those players

 

[Ian Dunross]

This stax on the mill bloke has smoked too many bongs.

Dude, you're so far in the minority you're a fringe dweller.

No one cares about Heath Shaw's smother except you. We're debating who's been the best in their position this season.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Lol! He's a 5 time all Australian, 6 time b&f winner, he goes ok for a reasonable player. I guess that's why Eddie went after him, you seem to be flush with reasonable players these days. How I wish we had Cloke instead of Riewoldt.

Well you can't have him. Nick would have fitted in o.k. at Collingwood. Could have been a handy foil for Cloke. Probably would have been at least as good as Jesse White or Quinten Lynch.

 

[joop]

Well you can't have him. Nick would have fitted in o.k. at Collingwood. Could have been a handy foil for Cloke. Probably would have been at least as good as Jesse White or Quinten Lynch.

Yeh he would've been as good as a VFL player, you're obviously struggling with some mental illness so I'll leave you be.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

School holidays really does bring out the flogs.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawkins has been a lone hand all year and constantly deals with multiple defenders. Roughhead on the other hand doesn't have to worry about the double and triple teaming thanks to Gunston, Bruest and Hale. Plus Roughy kicked all his bags against bottom of the ladder dwellers where as Hawkins kicked far more goals against the top 8 sides.

Of course Roughead has to deal with multiple defenders at times too, but he's not a sole target. Not sure why that should go against him when he's such a valuable player around the ground either.

Gunston also moves up to the wing and half back throughout a game to leave Roughead to go it alone as the tall target with smalls at his feet, while other times Gunston stays deep and Rough roams.

Don't be fooled by Roughead not kicking bags against top sides either, as that's not what Clarkson is aiming for.
In fact, it's the reason Hawthorn is where it is.
When it comes to games like last years Prelim or even this years qualifying final Clarkson sets up for others to be the avenue to goal, and to create a spread that will have us score heavily - Burgoyne 2013 prelim for example.

Indeed, no team in the comp scores as regularly as Hawthorn, and Clarkson has orchestrated this by not having the team rely on one focal point.

What you're actually arguing though is that because Hawkins is relied on to kick bags each week, he should be rated more highly than a guy who has kicked the same amount of goals in less games while having far more disposals, tackles, clearances, contested possessions and general involvement in each game that he's played.

Thankfully the AA selectors didn't think this way.

 

[Power Raid]

Overall the selection was good

Well done all

 

[Seeds]

Of course Roughead has to deal with multiple defenders at times too, but he's not a sole target. Not sure why that should go against him when he's such a valuable player around the ground either.

Gunston also moves up to the wing and half back throughout a game to leave Roughead to go it alone as the tall target with smalls at his feet, while other times Gunston stays deep and Rough roams.

Don't be fooled by Roughead not kicking bags against top sides either, as that's not what Clarkson is aiming for.
In fact, it's the reason Hawthorn is where it is.
When it comes to games like last years Prelim or even this years qualifying final Clarkson sets up for others to be the avenue to goal, and to create a spread that will have us score heavily - Burgoyne 2013 prelim for example.

Indeed, no team in the comp scores as regularly as Hawthorn, and Clarkson has orchestrated this by not having the team rely on one focal point.

What you're actually arguing though is that because Hawkins is relied on to kick bags each week, he should be rated more highly than a guy who has kicked the same amount of goals in less games while having far more disposals, tackles, clearances, contested possessions and general involvement in each game that he's played.

Thankfully the AA selectors didn't think this way.

Thanks for making the same point I did in greater detail.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Thanks for making the same point I did in greater detail.

Thanks for agreeing.

 

[Righteo]

Well you can't have him. Nick would have fitted in o.k. at Collingwood. Could have been a handy foil for Cloke. Probably would have been at least as good as Jesse White or Quinten Lynch.

Oh wow.

 

[kade]

Harvey ahead of Breust for mine but that doesn't mean Breust is undeserving.

and Breust ahead of Ballantyne?

 

[leekok]

Lol at the classy Richmond fans retrospectively liking all the posts in this (very long) thread that dismissed Rance's chances.

What's that supposed to mean? Classy. Are you really a mod.

 

[pazza]

Only change to me is MacKenzie for Rance but, it's a bloody good side.

 

[Beutbrute]

McKenzie incredibly unlucky for the second year in a row IMO

 

[shiva25]

Cloke is a front running spud.
Hawkins is the best forward in the comp so can understand why so many feel Roo was lucky. He was unlucky last year so it has evened up.

I would say buddy is the best forward in the comp and Hawkins has a way to go before getting anywhere near him. In saying that though Reiwoldt deserves his spot in the side based on the year he had and lets not even mention Cloke in the same breath as Cloke will never be anything than just a good/ordinary forward but more ordinary than not

 

[Righteo]

What's that supposed to mean? Classy. Are you really a mod.

I was using it ironically because I don't find it very classy at all. That's what it meant and yes, I am a mod (kinda).

 

[leekok]

North finish final four with no AA representatives. When was the last time this happened?

North finished 6th after the season proper which is what the selections are based on. Richmond finished 5th last year without any representatives. s**t happens

 

[leekok]

I was using it ironically because I don't find it very classy at all. That's what it meant and yes, I am a mod (kinda).

I don't find your response classy either. Why so much hate for Rance and his selection. In fact why so much hate for Richmond

 

[Righteo]

I don't find your response classy either. Why so much hate for Rance and his selection. In fact why so much hate for Richmond

Just made an observation which I found amusing, not sure how you've inferred hatred from my post.

 

[Merdel]

and Breust ahead of Ballantyne?

Nup ballas ahead of breust all day loooonggg

 

[ROCKY ROAD]

And if only our key forward was given half the protection and received half as many free kicks as poor old Nick receives. Saw Nicks "courage" on display the day Brisbane sorted him out.

People wonder why Collingwood is the most despised club in the land, it's not your success, it's comments like this from buffoons who have NFI. Poor whittle Twavis doesn't get any fwee kicks, boo hoo.