All Divisions General NFNL Discussion Thread

[illumineer]

Hearing more and more about this becoming prevalent in our competition and the fear from biological women playing who are refusing to take the field. Is this a problem for the future of womens football?

 

[Fizzler]

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Hearing more and more about this becoming prevalent in our competition and the fear from biological women playing who are refusing to take the field. Is this a problem for the future of womens football?

I’m very much doubtful it will be a serious problem. There are steps that have to be done and as far as I’m aware, transgender players have undergo strength tests and things like that, and someone who has completely transitioned from male to female actually has less testosterone than a biological female.
When you look at it mathematically, even with a large estimate of 1% of the population being transgender, we’ll say half of them being MTF comes down to 0.5% of the country, or 130,000 people. Then factor in other things like whether they enjoy football enough to want to play. Do they feel alienated by footy culture because pre-transition they felt the culture wasn’t welcoming of LGBTQ+ individuals? Are at an age where they can play? I don’t think you can be fully medically transitioned before turning 18, and you’d be pretty hard pressed to find many 40+ year olds playing footy at all. And of course whether or not they’ve reached the stage of transition to even be allowed to play women’s footy, did they come out early enough for playing women’s footy to even be an option?
All of these factors that would apply to a different extent for every person would see that 130,000 person figure that I estimated would drop dramatically. I’ve only ever heard of two transgender players at VFLW level and I’m sure there’d be some more across the various women’s footy leagues around the country but it wouldn’t be a lot. I’m a big advocate for everyone to be able to play footy. There are players like Sabrina Frederick-Traub who’s a physical outlier and you wouldn’t forbid her from playing footy because she could dominate, and I wouldn’t want to see someone who’s seriously transitioned be excluded from footy for that reason either, because the incidence rate wouldn’t be anywhere near big enough for it to be a problem.

 

[Bullants U18]

Good to finally see team selections available to be viewed before the game for Reserves and Under-19’s in all divisions on PlayHQ. Was ridiculous that you had to wait for the match to be completed to be able to see the teams.

 

[NFNL Member]

I’m very much doubtful it will be a serious problem. There are steps that have to be done and as far as I’m aware, transgender players have undergo strength tests and things like that, and someone who has completely transitioned from male to female actually has less testosterone than a biological female.
When you look at it mathematically, even with a large estimate of 1% of the population being transgender, we’ll say half of them being MTF comes down to 0.5% of the country, or 130,000 people. Then factor in other things like whether they enjoy football enough to want to play. Do they feel alienated by footy culture because pre-transition they felt the culture wasn’t welcoming of LGBTQ+ individuals? Are at an age where they can play? I don’t think you can be fully medically transitioned before turning 18, and you’d be pretty hard pressed to find many 40+ year olds playing footy at all. And of course whether or not they’ve reached the stage of transition to even be allowed to play women’s footy, did they come out early enough for playing women’s footy to even be an option?
All of these factors that would apply to a different extent for every person would see that 130,000 person figure that I estimated would drop dramatically. I’ve only ever heard of two transgender players at VFLW level and I’m sure there’d be some more across the various women’s footy leagues around the country but it wouldn’t be a lot. I’m a big advocate for everyone to be able to play footy. There are players like Sabrina Frederick-Traub who’s a physical outlier and you wouldn’t forbid her from playing footy because she could dominate, and I wouldn’t want to see someone who’s seriously transitioned be excluded from footy for that reason either, because the incidence rate wouldn’t be anywhere near big enough for it to be a problem.

i think the NFNL have more serious issues to sort out given the rumours ive heard this week of at least 2 Junior Clubs looking to leave and go to the Yarra League.

 

[NorthernBastard]

i think the NFNL have more serious issues to sort out given the rumours ive heard this week of at least 2 Junior Clubs looking to leave and go to the Yarra League.

Due to the NFNL transgender policies? surely not.

No doubt there would be clubs looking at YJFL, but I'd be extremely surprised if that was the reason.

 

[NFNL Member]

Due to the NFNL transgender policies? surely not.

No doubt there would be clubs looking at YJFL, but I'd be extremely surprised if that was the reason.

No nothing to do with transgender policies.
Other issues at hand i believe.
meaning i think the NFNL would be or should be more concerned with Clubs leaving the league than this stuff.

 

[NorthernBastard]

No nothing to do with transgender policies.
Other issues at hand i believe.
meaning i think the NFNL would be or should be more concerned with Clubs leaving the league than this stuff.

Apologies, I mis-read your previous post.

Yes, far greater issues at hand than the trans-gender non debate.

Losing junior and female footballers to YJFL & VAFA are real issues.

 

[10571z]

What’s the issue with the juniors? Seems to run well from what I see.

 

[NFNL Member]

What’s the issue with the juniors? Seems to run well from what I see.

What do you see?

 

[Bagsy 82]

i think the NFNL have more serious issues to sort out given the rumours ive heard this week of at least 2 Junior Clubs looking to leave and go to the Yarra League.

Not sure how true or if there’s really anything in it but I’ve heard the same talk. Two of the bigger junior clubs in the NFNL considering YJFL due to Yarra having more divisions, which means a closer competition each week and no 100 point gap between top and bottom teams.

 

[NFNL Member]

Not sure how true or if there’s really anything in it but I’ve heard the same talk. Two of the bigger junior clubs in the NFNL considering YJFL due to Yarra having more divisions, which means a closer competition each week and no 100 point gap between top and bottom teams.

yep thats what i heard also, amongst other general unhappiness about things in the NFNL.
If they go, id say it will probably make some of the Clubs happy, but will also remove a tonne of young talent from the NFNL

 

[10571z]

Love going to watch a replay and there is no sound. Absolute joke how often this happens with “Sportscast”

Are the NFNL ok with this?

Meanwhile other leagues have full stats and replays with sound.

 

[Denny Crane]

Love going to watch a replay and there is no sound. Absolute joke how often this happens with “Sportscast”

Are the NFNL ok with this?

Meanwhile other leagues have full stats and replays with sound.

 

[Coach_Beard]

Not sure how true or if there’s really anything in it but I’ve heard the same talk. Two of the bigger junior clubs in the NFNL considering YJFL due to Yarra having more divisions, which means a closer competition each week and no 100 point gap between top and bottom teams.

Does this potentially allow the bigger c;lubs to become more aggressive in their appraoch to families from neighbouring clubs if they do not have to play against the clubs theyve been pried away from?
Keilor doing it over the other side of town and saw some staggering SMS messaging from a NFNL junior club identity to a family friend yesterday whilst watching the bullants and port Melbourne.
Guy is asttempting to "invite" his son across for a better standard, conveniently dropping in that he has connections to the NFNL rep, Calder Cannons and Calrton's NGA program.

Mind you the boy is 13/14 I think and as I said bloody adult egos are killing junior football
what a poor excuse of a football person. how do these people infiltrate and get roles?

 

[tasmanlvr]

Love going to watch a replay and there is no sound. Absolute joke how often this happens with “Sportscast”

Are the NFNL ok with this?

Meanwhile other leagues have full stats and replays with sound.

I think the reason might be because of what the crowd around the camera says, sometimes the camera operators might put it down in their discretion that there's a lot of swearing

 

[10571z]

I think the reason might be because of what the crowd around the camera says, sometimes the camera operators might put it down in their discretion that there's a lot of swearing

LOL. This is just a plain crap excuse and I don’t buy it. Incompetent company.

Plenty of cameras you can hear people chatting away. Who cares.

Who’s going to watch a replay in silence, honestly.

 

[tasmanlvr]

LOL. This is just a plain crap excuse and I don’t buy it. Incompetent company.

Plenty of cameras you can hear people chatting away. Who cares.

Who’s going to watch a replay in silence, honestly.

Definitely very annoying no doubt but I'm pretty sure that's always been the reason

 

[10571z]

Definitely very annoying no doubt but I'm pretty sure that's always been the reason

Amazing no other league seems to have an issue and it’s completely inconsistent issue venue wise.

 

[Champ or Chump]

I'm just happy to be in a comp where there is footage - of all senior mens games. Trust me - a lot better than being in the VAFA in the lower grades. Our players and members are loving it.

 

[Goldman]

Love going to watch a replay and there is no sound. Absolute joke how often this happens with “Sportscast”

Are the NFNL ok with this?

Meanwhile other leagues have full stats and replays with sound.

You may find that a lot of those games have no sound because the camera is next to the coaches box. Pretty sure coaches don’t want their directions to players out there for every club to hear.

 

[Mappa]

LOL. This is just a plain crap excuse and I don’t buy it. Incompetent company.

Plenty of cameras you can hear people chatting away. Who cares.

Who’s going to watch a replay in silence, honestly.

Which match are you referring to?

 

[10571z]

Which match are you referring to?

Banyule vs Mont
Ivanhoe vs Mernda

Every week there are some at random

 

[Mappa]

Banyule vs Mont
Ivanhoe vs Mernda

Every week there are some at random

Righto. I was at the latter. Can understand why there's no audio

 

[Mappa]

Can anyone explain why the full U19s fixture hasn't been released yet? After 5 rounds there wouldn't be any regrading now would there? (even though there's a couple of teams that ought to be).

Interesting that my team plays a team for the second time, but has still yet to play all the other sides

 

[NFNL Member]

Does this potentially allow the bigger c;lubs to become more aggressive in their appraoch to families from neighbouring clubs if they do not have to play against the clubs theyve been pried away from?
Keilor doing it over the other side of town and saw some staggering SMS messaging from a NFNL junior club identity to a family friend yesterday whilst watching the bullants and port Melbourne.
Guy is asttempting to "invite" his son across for a better standard, conveniently dropping in that he has connections to the NFNL rep, Calder Cannons and Calrton's NGA program.

Mind you the boy is 13/14 I think and as I said bloody adult egos are killing junior football
what a poor excuse of a football person. how do these people infiltrate and get roles?

They infiltrate and get roles by kissing the appropriate arses, then start businesses to charge parents to train kids and then select them for these programs.
The Rep program is full of these people who have corrupted the entire program.
NFNL management are fully aware of these businesses as they pay them through the specialist coaches they use who are part of these businesses.
I’ve detailed this here before and it’s still going on, quite blatantly and I’d say it’s even worse this year. Rep coaches don’t say a word as they are mostly there to give their own kids a leg up.
In relation to how clubs leaving the NFNL I’m not sure what you mean or how it could affect anything other than lowering the standard and talent pool of the NFNL.
Take a look at boys Div 1. They cannot get more than 5 teams in the top division of u14,15,16 boys.
Yarra probably have 5 divisions of teams!
They aren’t blaming strong clubs for being strong and attracting kids to join them therefore destroying the competition.