Bachar Houli & Adam Saad Friday night MCG response to Senator Anning speech

[Eagleboy68]

Fairly sure you're just a gutter troll.

From that very same website which you purposely used out of context:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/



Go away.

I'm not a gutter troll.
You go away.

 

[Dave]

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

Comic books dont count.

 

[Malifice]

Yeah personally I've never worn a clown outfit.

But yes it's a truth to a lot of their policies which left wingers really hate to identify with.
Cry and both and moan all you want but
There was a lot of the policies in the nazi party that were left wing. And a lot that were right wing.

Socialism isnt left wing any more than capitalism is right wing.

Jesus christ mate.

Socialism is control of the means of production by the State. Capitalism is control of the means of production by the free market, which is then run for profit by way of capitalisation.

Right wing politics isnt 'capitalism'. Its a political system that is based around support for the dominant social hierarchy (in Europe this is the [white hetero land owning bourgeoisie male]) while calling for persecution and even genocide of minorities (women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and the disabled).

Left wing politics advocates for those minorities in order to achieve parity with the dominant social group. At its extreme, far left wing politics calls the active persecution and even genocide of the bourgeoisie (Pol Pot, Stalin).

You are miles out of your depth here mate. You might want to take a breather.

 

[Godchin]

I never understood the phrase “I didn’t come down in the last shower” until now

Why do you so desperately want it to be true?

Did you break down in tears when he said he didn't mean it that way and it was taken out of context?

I don't understand how you can so blindly believe something like that. Is it totally unfathomable that it was a coincidence? Do you not believe coincidences can exist at all?

 

[threesixpio]

Socialism isnt left wing any more than capitalism is right wing.

Jesus christ mate.

Socialism is control of the means of production by the State. Capitalism is control of the means of production by the free market, which is then run for profit by way of capitalisation.

Right wing politics isnt 'capitalism'. Its a political system that is based around support for the dominant social hierarchy (in Europe this is the [white hetero land owning bourgeoisie male]) while calling for persecution and even genocide of minorities (women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and the disabled).

Left wing politics advocates for those minorities in order to achieve parity with the dominant social group. At its extreme, far left wing politics calls the active persecution and even genocide of the bourgeoisie (Pol Pot, Stalin).

You are miles out of your depth here mate. You might want to take a breather.

Thanks for posting something sensible.

 

[Nuggets73]

This has only been true in the last 50 or so years, after certain people were allowed to compete.

How did those people get the chance to compete?

I'll leave that as homework. (Not having a go at you Nuggets73, but for others )

Anyone who thinks politics and sports should be separate entities, hasn't been paying attention for the past 5000 years.

Any large event with enough people watching will be politicized.

Can't believe I have to explain reality to figBooty

My friend - I suggest you read my post again, I made no reference to politics - only religion

 

[threesixpio]

Why do you so desperately want it to be true?

Did you break down in tears when he said he didn't mean it that way and it was taken out of context?

I don't understand how you can so blindly believe something like that. Is it totally unfathomable that it was a coincidence? Do you not believe coincidences can exist at all?

I don’t want it to be true. It is true - and I’m no dummy who is taken for a ride

 

[Royce Hafey]

Imagine the howls of protest from the left if two Jewish players did this

Why? Given that the term "Final Solution" was used, that would also be appropriate (and especially after Andrew Bolt wrote an article about Australia being swamped by immigrants which included alongside the usual guff about Muslims a claim that Caulfield is being "swamped" by South African Jews). I remember a counter demonstration against the Neo-Nazi National Action in the mid '90s in which a group of Orthodox Jews walked all the way to Brunswick from Caulfield (it was on their sabbath and they couldn't use public transport) to join in to fight alongside the lefties. The real anti-Semites are, as always, on the right - like those dipshits in the US last year who chanted in their demo "the Jews will not replace us". They only like Israel because they like the idea of Jews killing Arabs or, in the case of the nutty religious right in the US, because they think that the Bible tells them that, just before the Rapture, the Jews in the Holy Land will all convert to Christianity and help fight the Antichrist. There's also a fascinating link in this context with another player on Richmond's list, Nathan Drummond. Drummond is the Great, Great, Grandson of William Cooper, an Aboriginal elder who, in December 1938 led an Aboriginal protest to the German Consulate in Melbourne to protest the persecution of Jews in Germany after Krystallnacht. The only example of such protest in the world.

What was the response of Australia's mainstream right at the time? The Australian minister for immigration, Tommy White, was a delegate in 1938 to the Evian Conference on the plight of Jewish refugees, many of whom were being forced back to Germany to a fate we all know. White's infamous statement was, in the spirit of Peter Dutton: ""It will no doubt be appreciated also that as we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration …". The appropriately named White's Australian Dictionary of Biography entry asserts (with no evidence mind you) that he privately sympathised with the plight of the Jews. I call b/s**t however, having had the displeasure of reading in an archive a letter written around 1920 by the young White to the then PM, Billy Hughes. White, who'd been a POW in Turkey, had made his way home after the war via Odessa in the Ukraine and, having political ambitions, thought the PM would appreciate a report on the Civil War in Russia. Odessa was under the control of the anti-Soviet White Army that, during the course of this war, murdered an estimated 250,000 Jews in the Ukraine. White reported to Hughes, in the midst of all this, that the Ukrainians were suffering from the depredations of "the Jews".

Why am I rabbiting on about history? This is Bigfooty isn't it? I make no apologies as I'm an historian and as Santayana said: "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it". Mosely's Blackshirts marched through the Jewish quarter of Cable Street in London in 1936 chanting "We've got to get rid of the Yids". They were confronted by the Jewish workers of the area, alongside thousands of mostly Irish/Catholic dockworkers and driven out. Today, if you want to get a decent curry in London, the place to go is Cable Street, still a slum area, but now inhabited by Muslims Bangladeshis who are one of the main target of skinheads and other neo-Nazis.

We have a cabinet with a member who's the creepy great-grandnephew of a Nuremberg Nazi. We've had two decades of racist dog whistling which has now amounted to a crescendo and this creep in the Senate has deliberately referenced the "Final Solution" (I have no doubt) to encourage a support base in the alt-right. Bachar Houli, who has had to endure filthy Islamophobic abuse his whole career, has chosen to make a stand, alongside the only other Muslim player in the AFL, and good on him! If you don't like this stuff invading your footy experience, then don't yell at Bachar. Yell at the idiots in the stands who call him a "terrorist". Muslims like him in contemporary Australia would also like to get on with their footy, their work, their family lives, without politics intervening, but they're given no choice.

 

[Dave]

I'm not a gutter troll.
You go away.

Yet you posted an article in such a way as to purport it was published by Snopes when in fact it was not, but rather referenced as an example of a belief that has been debunked.

 

[threesixpio]

Why? Given that the term "Final Solution" was used, that would also be appropriate (and especially after Andrew Bolt wrote an article about Australia being swamped by immigrants which included alongside the usual guff about Muslims a claim that Caulfield is being "swamped" by South African Jews). I remember a counter demonstration against the Neo-Nazi National Action in the mid '90s in which a group of Orthodox Jews walked all the way to Brunswick from Caulfield (it was on their sabbath and they couldn't use public transport) to join in to fight alongside the lefties. The real anti-Semites are, as always, on the right - like those dipshits in the US last year who chanted in their demo "the Jews will not replace us". They only like Israel because they like the idea of Jews killing Arabs or, in the case of the nutty religious right in the US, because they think that the Bible tells them that, just before the Rapture, the Jews in the Holy Land will all convert to Christianity and help fight the Antichrist. There's also a fascinating link in this context with another player on Richmond's list, Nathan Drummond. Drummond is the Great, Great, Grandson of William Cooper, an Aboriginal elder who, in December 1937 led an Aboriginal protest to the German Consulate in Melbourne to protest the persecution of Jews in Germany after Krystallnacht. The only example of such protest in the world.

What was the response of Australia's mainstream right at the time? The Australian minister for immigration, Tommy White, was a delegate in 1938 to the Evian Conference on the plight of Jewish refugees, many of whom were being forced back to Germany to a fate we all know. White's infamous statement was, in the spirit of Peter Dutton: ""It will no doubt be appreciated also that as we have no real racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one by encouraging any scheme of large-scale foreign migration …". The appropriately named White's Australian Dictionary of Biography entry asserts (with no evidence mind you) that he privately sympathised with the plight of the Jews. I call b/s**t however, having had the displeasure of reading in an archive a letter written around 1920 by the young White to the then PM, Billy Hughes. White, who'd been a POW in Turkey, had made his way home after the war via Odessa in the Ukraine and, having political ambitions, thought the PM would appreciate a report on the Civil War in Russia. Odessa was under the control of the anti-Soviet White Army that, during the course of this war, murdered an estimated 250,000 Jews in the Ukraine. White reported to Hughes, in the midst of all this, that the Ukrainians were suffering from the depredations of "the Jews".

Why am I rabbiting on about history? This is Bigfooty isn't it? I make no apologies as I'm an historian and as Santayana said: "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it". Mosely's Blackshirts marched through the Jewish quarter of Cable Street in London in 1936 chanting "We've got to get rid of the Yids". They were confronted by the Jewish workers of the area, alongside thousands of mostly Irish/Catholic dockworkers and driven out. Today, if you want to get a decent curry in London, the place to go is Cable Street, still a slum area, but now inhabited by Muslims Bangladeshis who are one of the main target of skinheads and other neo-Nazis.

We have a cabinet with a member who's the creepy great-grandnephew of a Nuremberg Nazi. We've had two decades of racist dog whistling which has now amounted to a crescendo and this creep in the Senate has deliberately referenced the "Final Solution" (I have no doubt) to encourage a support base in the alt-right. Bachar Houli, who has had to endure filthy Islamophobic abuse his whole career, has chosen to make a stand, alongside the only other Muslim player in the AFL, and good on him! If you don't like this stuff invading your footy experience, then don't yell at Bachar. Yell at the idiots in the stands who call him a "terrorist". Muslims like him in contemporary Australia would also like to get on with their footy, their work, their family lives, without politics intervening, but their given no choice.

 

[carloss]

Socialism is control of the means of production by the State.

Weren't the Nazi's doing that? Or are you saying they were capitalists?

 

[threesixpio]

Weren't the Nazi's doing that? Or are you saying they were capitalists?

There were plenty of companies doing s**t in Germany. See my link above

 

[sataris]

My friend - I suggest you read my post again, I made no reference to politics - only religion

They are the same thing.

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Pretty hard to logically say sport is sport considering the incredible amount of spending, policy and external arms involved in it.

If sport is sport why do we sell alcohol and food at a stadium? Why do football clubs open their training sessions and engage with fans? Why do pubs around the world host events for social gatherings to watch sports? Why do football clubs support communities and do charitable work? Why do sporting clubs accept sponsorship?

Sport is deeply intertwined in the fabric of society. The sport is sport card is a cop out for when something you don’t personally believe is involved with sport.

 

[Nuggets73]

They are the same thing.

... Let’s just say we share different opinions on this topic

 

[Royce Hafey]

There were plenty of companies doing s**t in Germany. See my link above

General Motors' German factories made tanks for the Wermacht and GM successfully lobbied for compensation after the war for Allied bomb damage! IG Farben, the chemical corporation that produced Zyklon B, was "punished" after the war by being broken up into smaller components which are all now bigger than the original (AGFA, BASF, Hoescht...).

 

[Madness101]

Hitler was a Socialist, just saying.

Nazi philosophy is probably the hardest to put on the political spectrum, to the point where it is almost meaningless.

Economically, Hitler couldn't give a s**t and stated this many times. Use big companies, both German and foreign, to achieve an end? Yep cool.

Use "new deal" like government involvement in the market? Yep cool. Whatever got the job done.

He stated in main kamf that this was a "spiritual transformation" of Europe and not an economic one.

He was a nationalist, racialist and military expansionist. That was his philosophy.

He hated capitalism because it focused on privet gain and distracted from the nationalist objective.

He hated communism because it put class consciousnesses, especially international class consciousness, above the nation state.

 

[troymakepeace]

AFL IS A CORRUPT SOCIALIST ORGANISATION.


MAKEPEACE

 

[Bombermania]

Socialism isnt left wing any more than capitalism is right wing.

Jesus christ mate.

Socialism is control of the means of production by the State. Capitalism is control of the means of production by the free market, which is then run for profit by way of capitalisation.

Right wing politics isnt 'capitalism'. Its a political system that is based around support for the dominant social hierarchy (in Europe this is the [white hetero land owning bourgeoisie male]) while calling for persecution and even genocide of minorities (women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and the disabled).

Left wing politics advocates for those minorities in order to achieve parity with the dominant social group. At its extreme, far left wing politics calls the active persecution and even genocide of the bourgeoisie (Pol Pot, Stalin).

You are miles out of your depth here mate. You might want to take a breather.

Agree but I would add "left" and "right" in the original French form, the "right" were the 1st and 2nd estate made up of the nobles and church whereas the "left" or third estate was made up by everyone else, although when it came to the estate general there were nobles that sat with the third estate.

Socialism and capitalism can co-exist in what is known as a mixed economy.

 

[Forward Press]

Every single Germany company then was involved in the war effort. It was total war. Hugo Boss made suits for the SS, IBM helped with the databases for the Holocaust, Volkswagen was Hitler's idea etc.

There was indeed nationalisation of many key industries but the same applied in the US, UK, and all other key players in the war, but you don't see idiots labelling them as socialist countries.

 

[Malifice]

Weren't the Nazi's doing that? Or are you saying they were capitalists?

They had a mixed economy. Hitler was very careful to protect the interests of Prussian Junkers (wealthy land owning elites). He certainly nationalized many industries though.

He nationalized those industries and seized control of the means of production in order to better enforce far right wing politics.

Controlling the means of production (socialism) does not make one 'left wing' or 'right wing'. Its what you control them for and why you have control that answers that question.

Marxists seize control of the means of production and go after white, male, educated landowners making them far left wing. Nazis seize control of the means of production to support that group and go after ethnic minorities, women and homosexuals making then far right wing.

 

[domus]

It would be politics - but the AFL are uniklely to support minorty views like that. And thank f*** too

There you go-a subjective opinion. This is my very point. Who is given the great power to decide what constitutes 'good politics" and what is considered distasteful or evil? When was consensus or even a majority view any kind of argument for an opinion? Once upon a time the majority of scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth. One man said they were wrong. Turns out he was right.

 

[Gralin]

There you go-a subjective opinion. This is my very point. Who is given the great power to decide what constitutes 'good politics" and what is considered distasteful or evil? When was consensus or even a majority view any kind of argument for an opinion? Once upon a time the majority of scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth. One man said they were wrong. Turns out he was right.

Yes finally some truth, the sun revolves around the earth, which incidentally isn't flat, yet people still believe it is and want it taught in schools, should they be allowed their way?

 

[Forward Press]

There you go-a subjective opinion. This is my very point. Who is given the great power to decide what constitutes 'good politics" and what is considered distasteful or evil? When was consensus or even a majority view any kind of argument for an opinion? Once upon a time the majority of scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth. One man said they were wrong. Turns out he was right.

There you go, Hitler was like Copernicus, holding a persecuted minority opinion that was right all along.

I've heard it all now.

Can't believe the mental gymnastics trying to defend Nazism and linking it to 'SJWs' and 'snowflake leftists' etc.

 

[beema limapep]

as much as what Senator Anning said is a disgrace, people on both sides of the political spectrum need to be careful taking the moral high ground on social issues and inclusiveness.

Ask any public figure who happens to be muslim how they voted on gay marriage.

in conclusion, im for all an Australia for all people. we have a long way to go to equally respect each other.