Injury Blue Healers Medical Room - 2020

[Jimmae]

Not sure here - should we go with someone who spoke to a doctor
once or our medical professionals?

Did you stop to consider the conversation was in the context of being in a related profession?

 

[Jabba73]

Having personally suffered with an inflamed knee due to ITB tension for several years in my 20s, I know how debilitating they can be. Conventional stretching and massage helped me get through and keep playing each week but they did nothing to resolve it.

It was only after I became a PT and did some professional development with a guy from the U.S. named Chuck Wolf that I discovered the underlying cause and how to address it. I was able to fix the issue in a matter of a few sessions and was never bothered by it again. I would hope that AR and Jack are privy to the same knowledge but given that they're going down the path of surgery it doesn't look like it.

Can you please contact the club prior to the surgery?

 

[BigBreakfast]

Russell was brought in with a big reputation and probably an even bigger pay check he would want to start earning his money, how many of our players re-injure themselves the first game back, just over the last few weeks I count McKay, McGovern, Dow, Fisher and silvagni.

Marchbank, cuningham, Charlie, Williamson and McKay all haven’t had a really good chance over the last few years to play consistent football because of injuries, I’m not sure all this can be put down to bad luck, most likely a fair bit of mismanagement involved aswell.

Ease up BS (lol), fairly atypical circumstances to judge a medical team. Travel, frequency of play, mental and emotional health issues are completely different to anything anyone has encountered before and probably won’t be replicated. Most teams are having load injuries, even weird injuries, evidenced by the number of young players getting a gig across the league. Russell has only been on board for 12 months, took much longer than that to influence Hawthorn in their early days.

In terms of the names you mentioned, Marchy has been injury prone from his day 1, Cuners is up and about but looking for form and recently a new injury, Charlie has a stupid young fella injury, Willo is back after the previous regime couldn’t get him up and H has been more consistent than any point in his short career.

Generally speaking we are fitter and more competitive than any point in our recent history. Injuries happen to every team, Russell has done a great job of keeping our available soldiers on the ground. We have used the 2nd lowest number of players in the comp. Players get up each week.

 

[Jimmae]

Haven't read through the thread yet but from what I know, ITB release surgeries have the same recovery time as just fixing the underlying issue. The problem with ITB release surgery is it can only be done once and the underlying problem that caused the ITB to tighten will just do it again. I've spoken to one surgeon once about it and he was confident it's not a surgery you ever should get. Fixing the mechanics that caused the ITB to tighten through meticulous rehab is the way to go. Hopefully the club/ Dr's haven't made the wrong decision here. We'll have to trust them I guess

Having personally suffered with an inflamed knee due to ITB tension for several years in my 20s, I know how debilitating they can be. Conventional stretching and massage helped me get through and keep playing each week but they did nothing to resolve it.

It was only after I became a PT and did some professional development with a guy from the U.S. named Chuck Wolf that I discovered the underlying cause and how to address it. I was able to fix the issue in a matter of a few sessions and was never bothered by it again. I would hope that AR and Jack are privy to the same knowledge but given that they're going down the path of surgery it doesn't look like it.

So are we talking fascia rearrangement/reconfiguration (I forget the clinical term) along with strengthening exercises around the relevant joints?

 

[therubbernub]

Way to be a condescending ass hole to someone passing on knowledge gained through experience and talking to medical professionals. Way to reveal your character to the board.

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

 

[Espio]

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

This. Go to a runners forum and look up ITB issues. Hundreds of different opinions and just as many bags of magic beans. I am sure Russell and the medical team are aware of the options. SOJ and the club are going with the best available course of action.


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[BigFrizz36]

Way to be a condescending ass hole to someone passing on knowledge gained through experience and talking to medical professionals. Way to reveal your character to the board.

Just a simple google search would show you a list of footballers who have had this surgery and had long careers with no further knee problems. Only those who know, have or diagnose this specific injury are in a position to understand what the best way to proceed with this injury. I would suggest that the surgery would not proceed without Jack, his family, Andrew Russell, the surgeon and the club all coming together and deciding that this was the best way to move forward.
I have always felt that abusing and swearing at someone that you don't know on an internet forum speaks a lot more about the abuser than the abusee.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

Exactly

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

So are we talking fascia rearrangement/reconfiguration (I forget the clinical term) along with strengthening exercises around the relevant joints?

I'm not sure what exactly the medical words are but they make divots in either side of the middle slightly staggered like this weird z shape allowing it to be extended, it's like stretching by surgery. Eventually it just tightens again.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

I also worry football clubs can be a bit eager to put players under the knife due to wanting quicker recovery times. Even when it's not the best long term option.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

So are we talking fascia rearrangement/reconfiguration (I forget the clinical term) along with strengthening exercises around the relevant joints?

For those interested, this approach from Chuck Wolf to preventing/managing ITB issues never led me astray when working with clients.

 

[The Bighouse]

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

What would the odds be on this being on time? 09:00 scheduled start..running late in at 09:45

 

[Sector 7G]

If you get 100 medical specialists in a room together to discuss a case, you will probably get 50-60 different opinions

Old saying in the medical professionals is don't get a second opinion just make sure the one you get is the best.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Not sure about sports injuries, but research in cancer management shows that discussion of cases in multi-disciplinary meetings, with multiple specialists from different fields (surgeons, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists), leads to the best overall patient outcomes.

When asking for a second opinion, request for your case to be discussed in an MDM, assuming your treating doctor has access to one (i.e has an appointment in a public teaching hospital). It's what a lot of doctors in private practice do when they come across complex cases that don't have a simple solution.

How this relates to ITB management, I have no ******* idea. I'm not aware of an ITB MDM, but there may be one, lol.

 

[branedotorg]

Not sure about sports injuries, but research in cancer management shows that discussion of cases in multi-disciplinary meetings, with multiple specialists from different fields (surgeons, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists), leads to the best overall patient outcomes.

When asking for a second opinion, request for your case to be discussed in an MDM, assuming your treating doctor has access to one (i.e has an appointment in a public teaching hospital). It's what a lot of doctors in private practice do when they come across complex cases that don't have a simple solution.

How this relates to ITB management, I have no ******* idea. I'm not aware of an ITB MDM, but there may be one, lol.

Not just sports injuries, happens in mental health too

 

[Jimmae]

I'm not sure what exactly the medical words are but they make divots in either side of the middle slightly staggered like this weird z shape allowing it to be extended, it's like stretching by surgery. Eventually it just tightens again.

My bad, I was referring to the non-surgical treatment!

For those interested, this approach from Chuck Wolf to preventing/managing ITB issues never led me astray when working with clients.

Ok so this is just correcting for the muscular imbalance, and some stretching, with the fascia being engaged in the latter exercises?

 

[CJMB]

Harry likely, Dow too?

No mention of Pitto.

Martin 1-2, Cuningham and Gov one more, Marchbank looked great but needs conditioning block of games, Jack 3 weeks until starts running again

Injury update: Martin to miss

Jack Martin has been ruled out for Saturday's match against Fremantle.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[windows1]

Harry likely, Dow too?

No mention of Pitto.

Martin 1-2, Cuningham and Gov one more, Marchbank looked great but needs conditioning block of games, Jack 3 weeks until starts running again

Injury update: Martin to miss

Jack Martin has been ruled out for Saturday's match against Fremantle.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Ok well I will bet a million bucks Martin is two games. Cunners plays next week. And MCG misses the GC game too. Just reading the play...

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

Ok well I will bet a million bucks Martin is two games. Cunners plays next week. And MCG misses the GC game too. Just reading the play...

Russell says Martin is setting himself first the indigenous game. Will play.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Not sure about sports injuries, but research in cancer management shows that discussion of cases in multi-disciplinary meetings, with multiple specialists from different fields (surgeons, oncologists, radiologists, pathologists), leads to the best overall patient outcomes.

When asking for a second opinion, request for your case to be discussed in an MDM, assuming your treating doctor has access to one (i.e has an appointment in a public teaching hospital). It's what a lot of doctors in private practice do when they come across complex cases that don't have a simple solution.

How this relates to ITB management, I have no ******* idea. I'm not aware of an ITB MDM, but there may be one, lol.

IMO hope JSOS is AOK after the ITB MDM, LOL.

 

[Jabba73]

IMO hope JSOS is AOK after the ITB MDM, LOL.

FFS

 

[Mr_Plow]

IMO hope JSOS is AOK after the ITB MDM, LOL.

LOL (lots of love) to you too darling!1

Bring some of that casserole over when you get the chancE. . ...

 

[james Dean]

Russell’s updates are as bollocks as McKay’s used to be.

 

[CJMB]

Russell’s updates are as bollocks as McKay’s used to be.

Why?

 

[james Dean]

Why?

Just vague and never gives any real detail

also leaves half the players off the list