Brisbane needs help: 2016

[Marc_Remillard]

Find it odd that people continually mention this as it is not remotely relevant to any of the discussions. 2003 was a very long time ago now, and the game has changed in almost every way. Right now Brisbane are in trouble, and they are in trouble due to extreme neglect by the management and the AFL for the last decade. Brisbane made some awful decisions in recruiting former players, but the AFL have done almost nothing in actually helping Brisbane out.

Nothing? That's just plain wrong. The academies have been the biggest leg up that a group of clubs have ever had over the rest of the competition. How you interpret that as nothing is bewildering.

 

[Roylion]

As for compensation for their perceived disadvantages, they have an academy, which once again is a massive advantage.

Haven't Victorian clubs been given funding to establish club-branded academies in allocated areas throughout Victoria and the Northern Territory, where they can develop players from an indigenous, Asian or African background? If they then want to draft them, won't they receive a discount on a basis similar to the current bidding system? Aren't clubs able to apply for draft discounts on other youngsters from non-English speaking backgrounds if they develop the player? Don't Melbourne, for example, get south-east Melbourne (Dandenong Stingrays) and the Alice Springs region?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Haven't Victorian clubs been given funding to establish club-branded academies in allocated areas throughout Victoria and the Northern Territory, where they can develop players from an indigenous, Asian or African background? If they then want to draft them, won't they receive a discount on a basis similar to the current bidding system? Aren't clubs able to apply for draft discounts on other youngsters from non-English speaking backgrounds if they develop the player? Don't Melbourne, for example, get south-east Melbourne (Dandenong Stingrays) and the Alice Springs region?

Why aren't they the same as your academies? Why are they restricted to people of a specific skin colour?

 

[Roylion]

Why aren't they the same as your academies? Why are they restricted to people of a specific skin colour?

Ask the AFL. I guess they're trying to attract players from non-English speaking backgrounds in the southern AFL states and to redress a disadvantage for some cultural groups in those regions. In the rugby-dominated northern states, they're trying to get more youngsters in general to take up the game by providing pathways into the elite competition.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Ask the AFL. I guess they're trying to attract players from non-English speaking backgrounds in the southern AFL states and to redress a disadvantage for some cultural groups in those regions. In the rugby-dominated northern states, they're trying to get more youngsters in general to take up the game by providing pathways into the elite competition.

You're the one claiming to know everything about it, i love how when you don't have an answer it's suddenly back onto the AFL.

They were forced into creating them when they realised the massive error they made with the original academies. The AFL have been desperately trying to fix their own stuff up ever since with the continual rule changing.

It's truly amazing that you don't see them as being an advantage

 

[Roylion]

You're the one claiming to know everything about it, i love how when you don't have an answer it's suddenly back onto the AFL.

I made no such claim of knowing 'everything' about it. I posted what I did know. It appears you didn't know. The northern clubs have academies and so will Victorian clubs.

They were forced into creating them when they realised the massive error they made with the original academies.

And I'm sure the Victorian clubs made them aware of their so-called 'error' and how 'unfair' it was Repeatedly and consistently.

It's truly amazing that you don't see them as being an advantage

Redressing a disadvantage. Brisbane don't have a retention allowance and haven't had one for ten years. So the academies help to lift the local content of clubs located in non-football states to a level commensurate with that of clubs located in AFL states.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

I made no such claim of knowing 'everything' about it. I posted what I did know. It appears you didn't know. The northern clubs have academies and so will Victorian clubs.



And I'm sure the Victorian clubs made them aware of their so-called 'error' and how 'unfair' it was Repeatedly and consistently.



Redressing a disadvantage. Brisbane don't have a retention allowance and haven't had one for ten years. So the academies help to lift the local content of clubs located in non-football states to a level commensurate with that of clubs located in AFL states.

The Victorian clubs now have academies because of the obvious advantage your one is. The AFL's hand was forced, that is the only reason the Vic clubs have them.

Of course our academies are nothing like yours, Brisbane still has a massive advantage

 

[Dixie Normous]

Je suis Leppitsch

 

[TedDougChris]

That's not true, they had massive advantages over the rest of the competition when they won their premierships, zone selections and being able to sift through Fitzroy's carcass to name two.

As for compensation for their perceived disadvantages, they have an academy, which once again is a massive advantage. It's already been pointed out that clubs from non-traditional football states win far more than their share of premierships, which is the ultimate way of assessing the strength of the competition. What more do they want?

Cant remember the zone selections to be honest, but they did get some talent out of Fitzroy - although a fair bit had left by then too.

All northern states get an academy, so there is no specific advantage for Brisbane compared to the other northern state sides. But all the other clubs up there get additional advantages that Brisbane are excluded from. So IMO, it's either - no one gets anything - or everybody gets even compensation/support. Not the usual half pregnant shit the AFL ***** up on a regular basis....

With regards to the non tradition states success, that again gets back to my earlier comments - either it's one rule for all clubs up there, or it's all even. Why did Sydney get COLA for another 10 - 15 years beyond Brisbane ??? They were a successful club, why was it necessary ??? Why do GWS get list concessions for years longer than GCS ?? Plus extra money in the cap for another 3 or 4 years ???

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Cant remember the zone selections to be honest, but they did get some talent out of Fitzroy - although a fair bit had left by then too.

All northern states get an academy, so there is no specific advantage for Brisbane compared to the other northern state sides. But all the other clubs up there get additional advantages that Brisbane are excluded from. So IMO, it's either - no one gets anything - or everybody gets even compensation/support. Not the usual half pregnant shit the AFL ***** up on a regular basis....

With regards to the non tradition states success, that again gets back to my earlier comments - either it's one rule for all clubs up there, or it's all even. Why did Sydney get COLA for another 10 - 15 years beyond Brisbane ??? They were a successful club, why was it necessary ??? Why do GWS get list concessions for years longer than GCS ?? Plus extra money in the cap for another 3 or 4 years ???

Akermanis was one of their zone selections.

The AFL have always tried to manufacture the results that they want. Sydney is a good example of it

 

[TedDougChris]

Akermanis was one of their zone selections.

The AFL have always tried to manufacture the results that they want. Sydney is a good example of it

Will have to do some reading....

Agree entirely with the last remark, but I do feel for Brisbane - either all the northern sides need support/assistance (not stating an opinion either way here) or none of them do..... You can't have a mixture....

But I do think that they need to fix a few things (which they have been working at - ie the Lamberts) and that their current performances are not just AFL related, some internal things need to be done too

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Will have to do some reading....

Agree entirely with the last remark, but I do feel for Brisbane - either all the northern sides need support/assistance (not stating an opinion either way here) or none of them do..... You can't have a mixture....

But I do think that they need to fix a few things (which they have been working at - ie the Lamberts) and that their current performances are not just AFL related, some internal things need to be done too

The problem is that all 4 clubs up there get the same advantages. Sydney being treated the same as Brisbane is just an absolute joke. They done experience any of the issues that the Lions do.

 

[Toump Ass]

Once again. Not what the players say. See quotes from the GH5 about why they returned to their home states.

Sounds great! Do you have any quotes? The ones you previously provided are rather useless because they don't actually address the question of why the players returned to their home state

Nonetheless they had the same record earlier in the season. Which is what I said at the time.

You also said they were doing a comparable job. They weren't then... debatable whether they are now. I'd have Richardson slightly in front at the moment.

 

[TedDougChris]

The problem is that all 4 clubs up there get the same advantages. Sydney being treated the same as Brisbane is just an absolute joke. They done experience any of the issues that the Lions do.

Then we need to work out whether any assistance/advantages are required and then standardise it..... Which I have no issue with.... Sydney having 20 years in the top 8 coinciding with 20 years of AFL advantages is a bit suspicious for mine in a competition that is meant to be equal....

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Then we need to work out whether any assistance/advantages are required and then standardise it..... Which I have no issue with.... Sydney having 20 years in the top 8 coinciding with 20 years of AFL advantages is a bit suspicious for mine in a competition that is meant to be equal....

Yes, it's amazing, isn't it. Vic clubs having an academy is the AFL's jumping the shark moment, but they didn't have a choice after their initial error.

Basically the AFL have screwed the competition, with the academies the integrity of the draft is completely shot.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Yes, it's amazing, isn't it. Vic clubs having an academy is the AFL's jumping the shark moment, but they didn't have a choice after their initial error.

Basically the AFL have screwed the competition, with the academies the integrity of the draft is completely shot.

Lol.

Lions, Suns, Giants and Swans are all academies for the vfl clubs.

 

[Roylion]

Sounds great! Do you have any quotes? The ones you previously provided are rather useless because they don't actually address the question of why the players returned to their home state

You need to read them again. Carefully this time. Try drawing some inferences from the actual quote.

You also said they were doing a comparable job.

They had the same record, from the same number of matches coached after two and a bit years.

I'd have Richardson slightly in front at the moment.

Yeah. Older list overall.

 

[JeffDunne]

Are people really debating what the diplomatic quotes from players leaving a club actually mean?

 

[RUNVS]

Nothing? That's just plain wrong. The academies have been the biggest leg up that a group of clubs have ever had over the rest of the competition. How you interpret that as nothing is bewildering.

Did an academy player steal away your wife or something as you seem to be completely obsessed. Whenever there is a thread about the academies, or even vaguely about academies you are always here, always complaining.

 

[Blue1980]

Seems leppa is doing an equally good job to Alan Richardson too.

If you believe this thread.

The facts are this:

Leppa is terrible

Their facilities are terrible

The AFL should step in like they did with Melbourne and help them off field, with personnel and facilities

Stop Leigh Matthews making any further football department decisions

End salary cap and list concessions to GWS, why do they still need them now?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Academies are an advantage to address a disadvantage. Whinging about that is like a 30 year old whinging about old-age pensioners getting a discount card. Waaah where's mine?

Put it this way, if the Demons and Blues were based in Queensland, they certainly wouldn't have Dom Tyson, Tom Bugg, Liam Sumner, Sam Docherty, Kristian Jaksch, Lachie Plowman etc. You can say "fix ya culcha" all you want but those players aren't at your clubs for your "culture". It's geographic and economic. And in most cases you got them for a trade price that makes academy discounts look like nothing.

Of course systemic geographic and market advantages are just the way it goes right. But anything to mitigate the lack of these advantages for frontier clubs (who prior to the academy boasted 3 percent of the total afl talent base between their two states) is apparently "jumping the shark".

Don't know why I am explaining this over and over. The same old culprits pop into their thread and proceed to put their fingers in their ears and hum Mary Had a Little Lamb. You all know who you are.

 

[mpal6]

Are people really debating what the diplomatic quotes from players leaving a club actually mean?

Mary Had a Little Lamb hurrrr hurrrr

 

[JeffDunne]

It's comical that anyone would think that being one of ten clubs in a market where your existence isn't guaranteed is a better situation than being in a growth market where your existence is guaranteed.

All of the moaning about being a "frontier" club is hysterical nonsense.

For example, people often cite the media contracts Victorian players get. Yet most Victorian clubs have a handful of players at best with such contracts. Players at struggling Victorian clubs don't get AFL paid gigs at anywhere near the level "frontier" clubs do. The star players from Brisbane's 3-peat haven't struggled either for prime gigs in the media. I would hazard a guess Brisbane has retired more players into media opportunities than most clubs over the past decade.

Same goes for the claim clubs from "frontier" states can't get government support. The facts just don't back that up.

Every club has unique challenges regardless of where they are located. It wasn't that long ago the AFL were considering concessions for Geelong due to them believing players didn't want to live in Geelong. A decade of sustained success and they're now a desired club & location. Brisbane pissed their success up against the wall rather than leveraging it into sustained success. Now they need to do the hard work again but rather than do that they seem content on convincing the AFL world Brisbane is an AFL wasteland. It's a ridiculous and self defeating strategy.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Its fleece was white as snowwwww!

 

[Cleric]

Every single issue Brisbane are complaining about are their own fault.
1. In debt. Well did Brisbane lose a shit load of money in the stockmarket or not? If yes, then thats their fault. They are losing members and crowds, due to their shit onfield performance. No different to any other team.

2. Poor facilities. So why did Brisbane not build better ones during the good times? Why wernt they building them when every other team was? Poor adminstration on Brisbanes part no doubt.

3. Poor on field performance. Brisbane is poorly coached. They employed the wrong guy, twice in a row. Whos fault is this?

4. Player retention. When the Crows lost players it was due to our poor player retention efforts. When Brisbane does it due to geography and not their own shit culture.
Its also conviently overlooked by the Brisbane supporters here that they have been able to recruit a number of good players like Beams.
You have also got a number of good young players cheap through your academy like Hipwood and Keyes.
You have two rising star winners in your team, the best young forward in the draft last year as well as a midfield with alot of good players.
Change your coach and watch the results.