Brisbane needs help

[Tedeski]

We 've lost players to the go home factor, funnily enough, one to Sydney.

But there is no way to counter it without going overboard and creating an imbalance the other way. They could try and halve the concessions, maybe that will work but I doubt it. Clubs will find a way to Rort it. I believe all allowances should be taken away from the clubs and if they have to be paid, the AFL pay it on a case by case basis. That way it's never factored into salary caps and it's never guaranteed.

Haha......................list them all!

 

[IanW]

Possibly GWS's best recruiting was in getting the Lamberts off Brisbane.

They leave for GWS, and Brisbane's retention goes to crap, and we hardly lose a player to homesickness.

The AFL needs to find people like them, and tell Brisbane they are hiring them.

 

[FuManchu]

So you mean how the cola works paid for and distributed by the AFL completely separate from the salary cap?

I've said time and time again, pay an allowance to those below the average AFL salary. But when I say below, I mean less than 150k a year. If you can't afford a place to live on 150k and above, you're not trying to afford it.

 

[FuManchu]

Haha......................list them all!

Nick Davis

Mal Michael played in Brissy before we recruited him

 

[Sydney Bloods]

I've said time and time again, pay an allowance to those below the average AFL salary. But when I say below, I mean less than 150k a year. If you can't afford a place to live on 150k and above, you're not trying to afford it.

You realise the change reflects the average AFL wage.

 

[FuManchu]

You realise the change reflects the average AFL wage.

No shit sherlock

 

[IanW]

I've said time and time again, pay an allowance to those below the average AFL salary. But when I say below, I mean less than 150k a year. If you can't afford a place to live on 150k and above, you're not trying to afford it.

Oddly, thats exactly what the AFL is now doing.

"1. Move toward a ‘pure’ salary cap – phase out Cost of Living Allowance and Veterans Allowance by 2017 to move toward a more equitable salary cap for all Clubs; replace the current Cost of Living Allowance for the Sydney Swans and GWS Giants with a rental subsidy for each player on below average player payments. The rental subsidy to be paid direct to players by the AFL;"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-04/afl-statement-competitive-balance-policy

 

[Sttew]

When a local council is poorly performing the state government can sack it and put administrators in its place to get the ship back in order. The AFL should do that with Brisbane and then reassess.

 

[Tedeski]

Nick Davis

Mal Michael played in Brissy before we recruited him

Is that all you got?

One player!

Nick Davis!

Geez.......................ouch........................that must have hurt Eddie!

 

[IanW]

When a local council is poorly performing the state government can sack it and put administrators in its place to get the ship back in order. The AFL should do that with Brisbane and then reassess.

Oddly, thats the steel inside the velvet glove with the AFL's Disequal Funding arrangements.

 

[carnthemlions]

Not sure that other codes are growing. Both rugby forms appear to be struggling (apart from state of origin). There's talk in union of the Australian clubs leaving the super 15s because Australian money is propping up kiwi and south African teams.
Soccer is the only threat IMO and that has been built on the back of finally getting a true national competition. Even there most clubs make losses.

Union is farked right now. The ARU just can't make any money, super rugby is a niche market and biggest drawcard(internationals) is mind numbingly boring most of the time unless you're a purist. Plus, the Wallabies have been very average for a few years.

Nick Davis

Mal Michael played in Brissy before we recruited him

 

[brad the brain]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

 

[Tedeski]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

Refer to Cornes!

 

[IanW]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

Im failing to see how Brown retiring helps Brisbane draft some new players.

Note his contract was almost certainly grandfathered under the old Veterans Allowance rules, so it's not like it's clearing cap room either.

 

[MacMum]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

what a mean spirited attitude..........YOU WERE WRONG too

 

[Lion for Life]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

What a load of pure horseshit, Brown has played for the last two years because;

A) none of our recruits unfortunately have shown that they have what it takes to replace him and,
B) to help as much in the on field development of said youth through leadership by example

Without the big fella we would have been even more screwed the last couple of years, don't talk about what you don't know

 

[Chezzalenko Reborn]

There won't be any budging no on the salary cap. No concessions, nothing.

What irks me with Eddie now is the targeting of the Academies which were designed to allow the Lions and Swans and Giants to start producing their own talent, so they don't need 90% playing lists of non-Queenslanders. I don't see Eddie coming up with any ideas to help, only making sure that Collingwood and other Victorian clubs maintain a natural advantage regarding player attraction and retention.

That said, if he cares so much about the game, like he claims to be, I'd be more than happy to hear what ideas to help Brisbane. But all I anticipate is 'stiff luck, Victoria, Bulldogs, Saints, Demons come first'

 

[FuManchu]

Is that all you got?

One player!

Nick Davis!

Geez.......................ouch........................that must have hurt Eddie!

That's 2, so I'm not sure about your numeracy skills.

And secondly, who would want to leave Collingwood?

And finally, we gave mega amounts of interstate players who don't want to leave. It's because the club is well run.

 

[FuManchu]

Union is farked right now. The ARU just can't make any money, super rugby is a niche market and biggest drawcard(internationals) is mind numbingly boring most of the time unless you're a purist. Plus, the Wallabies have been very average for a few years.

Wellingham

 

[Lion for Life]

Wellingham

Look, to compare Collingwood's or any other traditional footy states teams retention rate to that of the northern clubs is just ridiculous.

There is a real problem in Brisbane concerning retention that none of the vic clubs will ever experience, it's time to acknowledge that fact.

 

[harmesy 37]

The media is at it as well.
"The beneficiaries of the go-home factor have been mostly powerful Victorian clubs – Carlton, Collingwood and Geelong."

Carlton?

In the same sentence as Collingwood and Geelong as a "powerful" Victorian club.\?

Tell him he's dreaming.

Carlton needs just as much assistance as Brisbane if not more...but Carlton won't get it as they aren't "an expansion club".

Brisbane has won 3 premierships since 2000. Carlton have won 0 premierships since 2000-14. Brisbane has done quite nicely out of the AFL largesse. Don't worry, Carlton will help to foot the bill for Brisbane to retain their players. What is it? $300,000 next year...let's make it $400,000 the following year. and how about some money for North Melbourne too. Yeah, sure, we'll do it for you. No probs.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...and-and-nsw-20140622-zshy8.html#ixzz35S9PqzKY

 

[FuManchu]

Look, to compare Collingwood's or any other traditional footy states teams retention rate to that of the northern clubs is just ridiculous.

There is a real problem in Brisbane concerning retention that none of the vic clubs will ever experience, it's time to acknowledge that fact.

You didn't have problems retaining them when you were going well. Sydney's not having problems retaining them while they are going well.

When clubs are going well, run well, players want to stay. You do the maths.

 

[master bate]

Sydney and (inner) Western Sydney, have a couple of big bonuses over Brisbane:

1. Much better lifestyle - Brisbane may be warmer, but I'd rather live on the Gold Coast
2. Facilities are better located to where players live - Brisbane built their new training facility in the middle of nowhere, it's like St Kilda building at Seaford.
3. Closer to family and friends. A lot of people have friends who move to Sydney for various purposes, it is also somewhere your family and friends are happy to come for a few days to catch up and cheer you up. Brisbane doesn't have that appeal.
4. Beach lifestyle, Sydney has beaches available for down time to do some surfing or relaxing, Brisbane has nothing like that.

So when you are getting recruited a player would look at the following positives:

Victorian, WA, SA club - good facilities, good lifestyle, footy town plenty of football support around the club in past players etc to help.
Sydney, GWS - good sydney lifestyle, good facilities close to where you'd live, annonmity, well run clubs.
Gold Coast - good lifestyle, good facilities near where you'd live, well run club.

Brisbane - annonimity.

Brisbane just isn't an attractive place to live for a young bloke moving interestate. You don't have the outdoor recreational lifestyle you can get in inner Sydney or the Gold Coast.

I'd definitely want to go Sydney (especially with a nice COLA or rent allowance) over Brisbane, but neither of them would force me to move back to Melbourne.

I know there are issues with traffic like any city but why can't the players live somewhere that puts them close to nice beaches? Is there not somewhere attractive to live in between Brisbane and Gold Coast or Brisbane and Noosa? Guys manage to play in Geelong despite still living in Melbourne. The GWS guys are moving further east to join their Bondi mates and then dealing with the Sydney traffic.

As for the Gold Coast I'm sure the young felllas have a good time there but a tourist town/trouble spot isn't exactly my ideal place to live. Brisbane has the advantage of being a real city even if only just.

I can't help but think Geelong manage to do pretty well in sleepy hollow. Port is now a destination club despite being the little brother of the Adelaide teams. I know both of those benefit from a much better percentage of home town recruits but they don't lose people at all. Where as Adelaide have lost quite a few lately and have at the same time been a badly run club.

I hope Brisbane get help off field. I can't believe just how vital a good President and CEO combination has become to being a good club. Multi million dollar business but the decisions largely come down to a small group - President, CEO, Coach, Recruiter, Fitness chief.

 

[luthor]

If Brown had retired 2 years ago .Brisbane could have drafted some young up and comers but he still wanted his big pay day and thought stuff all the rest.

You need to add a "less" to your username.

A classic case of less is more.

 

[JasRulz63]

I hope Brisbane get help off field. I can't believe just how vital a good President and CEO combination has become to being a good club. Multi million dollar business but the decisions largely come down to a small group - President, CEO, Coach, Recruiter, Fitness chief.

Think that's our biggest problem at the moment. We have a chairman that was put in place by the AFL that is heavily invested in the facility that was meant to be built at Springfield (happens to be deputy Chairman of the Springfield Land Corporation) that doesn't look like it will happen because of lack of funds, and now no CEO after our previous one was (I think rightly) asked to stand down.