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I take offence at the posting criticizing the Melbourne City Council.The grounds add to the value of the area, and it is not a place where a bunch of uncouth, unspohisticated neanderthals run around and destroy the beautiful grounds.There is nothing nicer than taking my poodles for a walk and just enjoying the environment meeting other friends and discussing the arts, antique shops, and ofcourse global climate change.If most of you stopped eating meat and became vegans then you would not be obese and you would not have to run around damaging public facilities.I just wish the council would pay more attention to the toilets, as they are hard to negotiate at night when one gets an urge to visit. :eek:

I need to correct your reference to footballers being neanderthals.

Neanderthal vs. Cro-Magnon
The Dilemma: At a cocktail party, a nasty brute spills a drink on you. You’d like to compare his manners to that of a more primitive hominid. But which would be more insulting?
People You Can Impress: Anthropologists—they’re just happy to talk to someone who’s not a fossilized skeletal fragment.
The Quick Trick: Neanderthals are more primitive but stronger. Cro-Magnons are us.
The Explanation:
Cognitively speaking, it’s definitely more insulting to call someone a Neanderthal. But if you’re talking musculature, they might just take it as a compliment. Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) were discovered first in Germany’s Neander Valley in 1856. They emerged between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago, give or take, in the early and middle Paleolithic era, and they used tools, albeit very simple ones. Often they resorted to using rocks (or flakes broken off of rocks by hitting them with other rocks), bones, and sticks. And they used fire, too! Neanderthals were more muscular than the later Homo sapiens, and their skulls were flatter, with broad noses and pronounced ridges on the forehead (which is why, to us, they look rather dim). They were also capable of speech, but recent physiological discoveries indicate that their voices were high pitched and nasal, not the baritone grunts we normally associate with cavemen. Despite their similarities to us, they were not—repeat, not—a step on the way to us. They were a dead-end off shoot of an earlier common ancestor, and they eventually lost out to their smarter, more advanced cousins: Cro-Magnons.
As for Cro-Magnons, they’re pretty much just like us. They take their name from a cave in France where Louis Lartet found them in 1868 (well, he found their skeletons. They had died a while before). Unlike Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons are not a separate species from Homo sapiens. In fact, they’re the earliest known European example of our species—living between 35,000 and 10,000 years ago—and are actually modern in every anatomical respect. They did, however, have somewhat broader faces, a bit more muscle, and a slightly larger brain. So how’d they utilize their larger noggins? Cro-Magnon man used tools, spoke and probably sang, made weapons, lived in huts, wove cloth, wore skins, made jewelry, used burial rituals, made cave paintings, and even came up with a calendar. Specimens have since been found outside Europe, including in the Middle East.
Amazingly, the two species actually overlapped in Europe for a few thousand years. So did they interbreed? While scientists allow that there were probably plenty of random matings and hookups, any long-term interbreeding is unlikely. And while there are many reasons for this, the simplest are that a) they were probably physically repulsive to each other, and b) they couldn’t meaningfully communicate. And also c) beer wasn’t invented yet.

As you mentioned the arts I suggest you read William Golding's 'The Inheritors'. A moving book about the demise of the neanderthal man. I rate it as highly as his classic 'Lord of the Flies'. A bit of a primitive theme running through his early works. Maybe you could discuss it with your friends when you take your poodles to the park.

Ciao Robberto
 
Robbo,
You obviously have not been at Ormond rooms at 10.00pm on a Saturday night!.
On a personal note you really need to get a life.I would rather go to jail than spend a night speaking to an Anthropologist, or worst trying to impress one!:confused:
 
Robbo,
You obviously have not been at Ormond rooms at 10.00pm on a Saturday night!.
On a personal note you really need to get a life.I would rather go to jail than spend a night speaking to an Anthropologist, or worst trying to impress one!:confused:

GOLD! GOLD! GOLD!

Me thinks CC won't know why though?

:p:p:p
 

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Robbo,
You obviously have not been at Ormond rooms at 10.00pm on a Saturday night!.
On a personal note you really need to get a life.I would rather go to jail than spend a night speaking to an Anthropologist, or worst trying to impress one!:confused:

Normal transmission is resumed. Miss Freelove is struggling.
 
Still don't know, but we might be able to use the junior ground out the back with all the dog turds on it.

Considering my previous post. Ironic???

On a more serious note, I am sure all local footballers who have experienced the kind heartedness of local councils genuinely have some compassion for Ormond. Not having access to your own ground has typcially troubled a club's performance. Maybe local clubs should start running their own people for council office?
 
Considering my previous post. Ironic???

On a more serious note, I am sure all local footballers who have experienced the kind heartedness of local councils genuinely have some compassion for Ormond. Not having access to your own ground has typcially troubled a club's performance. Maybe local clubs should start running their own people for council office?


Not sure you are going to find too many overworked club officials who will want to add running for Council to their already limited time schedules.Furthermore it is such a game once you do get in that nothing gets done unless the power brokers agree. It really comes down to all the clubs getting together and putting pressure on the candidates.If a club or organisation actively support a candidate then the other candidates will have to give serious consideration to courting the sporting lobby or risk getting belted on polling day. Most people do not give a rat's behind about council elections and that is why so many morons are elected.We get the Government we deserve.One only has to look at the Brumby Govt as a fine example.Local sporting clubs have a lot of power which is wasted because they refuse/fail/cannot be bothered to sit down and work out what it is they want.They are quick to winge about it, but just do not follow up.
 
Enough of the bullshite, lets talk footy!
Well, doesn’t C section look nice and hard this year. Here is how they are placed.

Caulfield- Absolute morals. Get all your money on ASAP. They went 17/1 last year, then choked something awful. That won’t happen again. Have added the Sinclairs and Fraser Gehrig to their already impressive list. Good luck trying to beat them this year! Simply can’t be beaten.

Beaumaris- Good young list who played finals last year and enjoy significant home ground advantage. They are well coached and now have some finals experience Club now ready to go up and will play Caulfield in the GF.

Rupertswood- Only lost the one game and will be very competitive again. Significant home ground advantage, a good young list and another well run club. Last time they came up they started the season with 12 wins. Will win most at home and four/five on the road to finish third.

Mazenod- Started very well last year under the guidance of coach and fitness guru Dave Murray. Were disappointing when the other clubs caught them on fitness but they are a very resilient mob who should do enough to sneak into the four.

AJAX- Does anyone really know? The enigma of the VAFA, who have had a couple of disappointing years. Have enough talent to be competitive but may lack the depth to really worry the top few. Bernie Sheehy needs a good season.

Fitzroy Reds- Struggled last time in C section but they seem to have a better list and a more settled club. They will be very happy to consolidate in C section and slowly build towards the higher grades.

Ormond- Lost a few key players(Robbins), finished the season very poorly last year with nine losses in a row, removed a favourite son as coach and won’t be on their ground. Given all those circumstances, survival would be the aim.

Parkdale- Always tipped to go down but never do. They are playing their 8th straight season in C Section, have the mighty Sullivans, a new coach and are very hard to beat at home. Will again defy the critics and survive.

Old Camberwell.- Have suffered significant player losses, yet another new coach on the roundabout, and this guy has a below average record in senior football(did anyone want the poisoned chalice?) will have the job in front of them. Could be facing a double drop.

Old Geelong- Sorry guys, but someone has to be last. Only started winning when the coach pulled on the boots last year and are notorious slow starters who have an ageing list and lack depth.

In reality, the bottom four could be in any order but the top three will be clearly better than the others.
 
very good effort, seems very open this year, with the men in white out at the racecourse standouts ? questions need to be asked how they will come back this year 16 - 1 and a draw is tuff to take not playing in the big one

The " G " train will be interesting, talk he would play last year and didn't, so until he is out there, won't believe it.

Ormond without their ground will hurt, they have a great advantage out at the Gunn, so for mine they are the ones who are in the gun for the double drop !!!
 
Enough of the bullshite, lets talk footy!
Well, doesn’t C section look nice and hard this year. Here is how they are placed.

Caulfield- Absolute morals. Get all your money on ASAP. They went 17/1 last year, then choked something awful. That won’t happen again. Have added the Sinclairs and Fraser Gehrig to their already impressive list. Good luck trying to beat them this year! Simply can’t be beaten.

Beaumaris- Good young list who played finals last year and enjoy significant home ground advantage. They are well coached and now have some finals experience Club now ready to go up and will play Caulfield in the GF.

Rupertswood- Only lost the one game and will be very competitive again. Significant home ground advantage, a good young list and another well run club. Last time they came up they started the season with 12 wins. Will win most at home and four/five on the road to finish third.

Mazenod- Started very well last year under the guidance of coach and fitness guru Dave Murray. Were disappointing when the other clubs caught them on fitness but they are a very resilient mob who should do enough to sneak into the four.

AJAX- Does anyone really know? The enigma of the VAFA, who have had a couple of disappointing years. Have enough talent to be competitive but may lack the depth to really worry the top few. Bernie Sheehy needs a good season.

Fitzroy Reds- Struggled last time in C section but they seem to have a better list and a more settled club. They will be very happy to consolidate in C section and slowly build towards the higher grades.

Ormond- Lost a few key players(Robbins), finished the season very poorly last year with nine losses in a row, removed a favourite son as coach and won’t be on their ground. Given all those circumstances, survival would be the aim.

Parkdale- Always tipped to go down but never do. They are playing their 8th straight season in C Section, have the mighty Sullivans, a new coach and are very hard to beat at home. Will again defy the critics and survive.

Old Camberwell.- Have suffered significant player losses, yet another new coach on the roundabout, and this guy has a below average record in senior football(did anyone want the poisoned chalice?) will have the job in front of them. Could be facing a double drop.

Old Geelong- Sorry guys, but someone has to be last. Only started winning when the coach pulled on the boots last year and are notorious slow starters who have an ageing list and lack depth.

In reality, the bottom four could be in any order but the top three will be clearly better than the others.

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Agree that Caulfield have to be the favourites, however experience tells me that sides which fail to win a finals match after dominating the way they did last season indicates that they have a few issues which a pre season will not simply eradicate. They still have to overcome the perception they are soft.I do not anticipate that too many players will dare to question Mr G about this aspect of his game.


Fitzroy were mid table for most of the season in D1 until they finally kicked away from the pack in the last few rounds to make the finals and have two wins in the finals.They lifted and beat a very disappointing Werribee in the Preliminary final. They will have a struggle on their hands to survive in C Grade this season along with Camberwell and OG.

Agree with your sentiments for all the others.
 
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Agree that Caulfield have to be the favourites, however experience tells me that sides which fail to win a finals match after dominating the way they did last season indicates that they have a few issues which a pre season will not simply eradicate. They still have to overcome the perception they are soft.I do not anticipate that too many players will dare to question Mr G about this aspect of his game.


Fitzroy were mid table for most of the season in D1 until they finally kicked away from the pack in the last few rounds to make the finals and have two wins in the finals.They lifted and beat a very disappointing Werribee in the Preliminary final. They will have a struggle on their hands to survive in C Grade this season along with Camberwell and OG.

Agree with your sentiments for all the others.

I'm not aware of the mass player exoduses mooted here re: OC and possibly Ormond, but if that's the case, the opportunities abound for the young players coming through at both clubs. I would be more concerned about the clubs referred to here which appear to have ageing lists and little, if any, U19/reserves depth to draw upon to replace departing players. Ormond have traditionally strong reserves and OC's U19s were obviously a very good unit. It'd be a brave person to write those clubs off to easily.

As for the Roys, we are far better placed going into 2010 than we were when I first arrived at the club in 2007. I'd expect roughly 6 of the GF side to not be playing this season for various reasons, but that's probably par for the course in VAFA circles. Their replacements will be a combination of returning players, recruits and some very good U19s who have committed to playing seniors if selected in 2010. This includes the past three U19 (North 1) competition B&F winners. Given our 2009 senior full-forward and full-back both acquitted themselves very well in their first year up from the U19s, we're confident the next batch of kids coming through, who are equally as well-credentialled, will follow in their footsteps.

If last night's session was anything to go by (good numbers, plenty of running & conditioning work and not one T.W. Sherrin in sight!:eek:), we will certainly be a strong, decent running side. Like most, we simply must have good depth in the KPP stocks if we are to make a serious impact this year.

Finally, I understand the club rising from mid-table D1 at round 13 to finish 4th in the regular season may suggest we'd struggle returning to C section. In my view, it was simply a case of the playing group getting itself in order on the playing side after yet another terribly interrupted pre-season. I firmly believe continuing and maintaining the positive culture the playing group established in the final 2 months of 2009, where we won 7 of 8 to make the GF and earn promotion to C section, is critical to Fitzroy's ongoing development under Simon Taylor. I'm tipping we should finish between 4th and 8th. If we sneak into the top 4.....well who knows?:D

As for the other 9 clubs, well if I knew anything worth posting, I'd do so. Ladder predictions at this point in the pre-season are to be enjoyed as a means of generating discussion. To this end, I commend Get Over It for starting the ball rolling. :thumbsu:
 
Enough of the bullshite, lets talk footy!
Well, doesn’t C section look nice and hard this year. Here is how they are placed.

Caulfield- Absolute morals. Get all your money on ASAP. They went 17/1 last year, then choked something awful. That won’t happen again. Have added the Sinclairs and Fraser Gehrig to their already impressive list. Good luck trying to beat them this year! Simply can’t be beaten.

Beaumaris- Good young list who played finals last year and enjoy significant home ground advantage. They are well coached and now have some finals experience Club now ready to go up and will play Caulfield in the GF.

Rupertswood- Only lost the one game and will be very competitive again. Significant home ground advantage, a good young list and another well run club. Last time they came up they started the season with 12 wins. Will win most at home and four/five on the road to finish third.

Mazenod- Started very well last year under the guidance of coach and fitness guru Dave Murray. Were disappointing when the other clubs caught them on fitness but they are a very resilient mob who should do enough to sneak into the four.

AJAX- Does anyone really know? The enigma of the VAFA, who have had a couple of disappointing years. Have enough talent to be competitive but may lack the depth to really worry the top few. Bernie Sheehy needs a good season.

Fitzroy Reds- Struggled last time in C section but they seem to have a better list and a more settled club. They will be very happy to consolidate in C section and slowly build towards the higher grades.

Ormond- Lost a few key players(Robbins), finished the season very poorly last year with nine losses in a row, removed a favourite son as coach and won’t be on their ground. Given all those circumstances, survival would be the aim.

Parkdale- Always tipped to go down but never do. They are playing their 8th straight season in C Section, have the mighty Sullivans, a new coach and are very hard to beat at home. Will again defy the critics and survive.

Old Camberwell.- Have suffered significant player losses, yet another new coach on the roundabout, and this guy has a below average record in senior football(did anyone want the poisoned chalice?) will have the job in front of them. Could be facing a double drop.

Old Geelong- Sorry guys, but someone has to be last. Only started winning when the coach pulled on the boots last year and are notorious slow starters who have an ageing list and lack depth.

In reality, the bottom four could be in any order but the top three will be clearly better than the others.

Not a bad start, BUT Old Camberwell and Parkdale will be further up the ladder. There is a lot to like about the Vultures and B to C is a real drop in standard (especially in depth), OC should be fine. Ajax and Fitzroy may find themselves in those slots.

As for the top end, agree with Caulfield, Beaumaris, Rup and the Nodders. However no club is ever a moral. BTW the Sinclairs have not moved from their clubs from last year. Caulfield's strength (as with the Sharks) will come from the further developemnt of the U/19 Grand Finals sides from 2 years ago. Also agree with the post about the G Train, there was plenty of talk last year and he never played. We'll see.

It's getting close now though!
 

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I definitely agree with Scribe about Fitzroy. I believe Rupo's 2009 season was greatly helped by quite a few reasons including a new coach, but to me a healthy close to injury free list is paramount to success in 2010 as it is every year, considering the potential competitiveness of the competition. Our 2009 season injury wise was pretty good, 2008 a nightmare and previously OK. Bring on the season, a few players mainly reserves players up in the air at the moment, hope there can be a change of thinking. Most senior players other than retirements will be there for 2010.

My tip Gehrig to start Rd 14 kick 9 in the GF and go down by a point to Ruppppo. One can only dream!!!!
 
Here are my observations for 2010. Agree with Scribe about ladder predictions, but have included a range as purely a discussion starter.

Ajax : When good, exceptional; when bad, ugly. Success will depend on overseas comings/goings which seems to hurt them more than most. Prediction 5 – 7.

Beaumaris : Finalist in ‘09 with an emerging young list, so will be thereabouts again in ‘10. Saw their 19’s against our 19’s in a final in ’08, plenty of talent, will be interesting to see how they have developed. Prediction 2 – 4.

Caulfield Grammarians : Virtually unbeatable in home & away, poor finals series. Sinclairs trained pre Christmas at Old Brighton, so will believe they’re back when I see their name on a team sheet, ditto G – Train(were good without them anyway). Prediction 1 – 2 without them, Premiers with them, GF opponent to provide match practice only.

Fitzroy : Will be happy to survive ’10 season. I base this purely on watching the “09 GF where only the wind prevented Rupo from winning by double the end margin. Prediction 8 – 10.

Mazenod : Time to piss, or get off the pot. Have promised plenty recently, they will be disappointed with anything less than a top 4 finish. Have the quality to do it, have they the consistency. Prediction 4 – 6.

Old Camberwell : Ex AFL presence will be a determining factor in their season. If present, will do some damage, if gone, will finish mid table. Prediction 4 – 8.

Old Geelong : Will be better for their season in C Section, but no B/Temp & Monash in ’10 to keep them up. Will be happy to survive. Prediction 8 – 10.

Ormond : Sitting 3rd at ½ way mark of ’09 in B Section, injuries decimated the list from then on, not an excuse, just a fact. Lost 9 straight, but was a chance to win in 5 of them. Have lost some quality, but still have some quality youth that will have benefited from their year in B. Have a better away than home record over seasons 07 – 09 so sharing a ground with Caulfield Grammarians won’t be as big a factor as some suggest. Write them off at your own peril. Prediction 2 – 4.

Parkdale : 8 years in C counts for something, big Dave at the helm will be a plus. If Rochford(class) & the Sullivan clan are still around, will see a 10th season in ’11. Prediction 7 – 9.

Rupertswood : Their seasons in C ’07 & ’08 will have them well placed for this season, big home ground advantage alone will keep them in C. Big player turnover over last 3 seasons, so a bit hard to tell how much damage they’ll do. ’07 showed how good they can be, ’08 how bad. Prediction 4 – 8.
 
Here are my observations for 2010. Agree with Scribe about ladder predictions, but have included a range as purely a discussion starter.

Ajax : When good, exceptional; when bad, ugly. Success will depend on overseas comings/goings which seems to hurt them more than most. Prediction 5 – 7.

Beaumaris : Finalist in ‘09 with an emerging young list, so will be thereabouts again in ‘10. Saw their 19’s against our 19’s in a final in ’08, plenty of talent, will be interesting to see how they have developed. Prediction 2 – 4.

Caulfield Grammarians : Virtually unbeatable in home & away, poor finals series. Sinclairs trained pre Christmas at Old Brighton, so will believe they’re back when I see their name on a team sheet, ditto G – Train(were good without them anyway). Prediction 1 – 2 without them, Premiers with them, GF opponent to provide match practice only.

Fitzroy : Will be happy to survive ’10 season. I base this purely on watching the “09 GF where only the wind prevented Rupo from winning by double the end margin. Prediction 8 – 10.

Mazenod : Time to piss, or get off the pot. Have promised plenty recently, they will be disappointed with anything less than a top 4 finish. Have the quality to do it, have they the consistency. Prediction 4 – 6.

Old Camberwell : Ex AFL presence will be a determining factor in their season. If present, will do some damage, if gone, will finish mid table. Prediction 4 – 8.

Old Geelong : Will be better for their season in C Section, but no B/Temp & Monash in ’10 to keep them up. Will be happy to survive. Prediction 8 – 10.

Ormond : Sitting 3rd at ½ way mark of ’09 in B Section, injuries decimated the list from then on, not an excuse, just a fact. Lost 9 straight, but was a chance to win in 5 of them. Have lost some quality, but still have some quality youth that will have benefited from their year in B. Have a better away than home record over seasons 07 – 09 so sharing a ground with Caulfield Grammarians won’t be as big a factor as some suggest. Write them off at your own peril. Prediction 2 – 4.

Parkdale : 8 years in C counts for something, big Dave at the helm will be a plus. If Rochford(class) & the Sullivan clan are still around, will see a 10th season in ’11. Prediction 7 – 9.

Rupertswood : Their seasons in C ’07 & ’08 will have them well placed for this season, big home ground advantage alone will keep them in C. Big player turnover over last 3 seasons, so a bit hard to tell how much damage they’ll do. ’07 showed how good they can be, ’08 how bad. Prediction 4 – 8.

Terrific summation MM. I reckon the Jackas and the Vultures might surprise a few. Caulfield Grammarians deserve favouritism. However if the Sinclairs are sticking with Old Brighton it may not be as clear cut as some think.
 
Hi Guys, I have just moved up to Melbourne from Geelong and was wondering what the standard of the competition was? I'm thinking about joining a club but was hoping to gauge which level would be right for me!
 
Sorry but I agree with Killerwasp. I have seen this guy in action at the City. Double dud
I had heard the same but didnt want to have a crack at him, I will now that you guys have, he makes Tom Brain look like a Rhodes Scholar! OC in more shite than a Carrum Downs duck with these blokes running what is fast becoming a D Grade show!!!
 
There can be no pre-season-lack-of-grounds excuses at Fitzroy for 2010 after (I believe) the Council granted us use of the Collingwood Athletics Track/Complex until mid-March, when we should be permitted onto either Brunswick St or Ramsden St ovals.

The turf inside the track proper is in pristine condition and, at about a 120m x 70m rectangle, should be spacious enough for decent, near full-ground drills to be conducted. Obviously the tartan track itself is a great resource as it is also in great condition (having only been re-laid in the past couple of years I believe). It's much easier to run 400m sprints on a bouncy surface like this than a dodgy, hard pot-hole infested dog track which has been the case in the past few years.

Given the frustrations of the past 3 seasons, I must say I for one 'dips my lid' to our committee for their efforts as it now removes a major obstacle in our preparations for this year.
 

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There can be no pre-season-lack-of-grounds excuses at Fitzroy for 2010 after (I believe) the Council granted us use of the Collingwood Athletics Track/Complex until mid-March, when we should be permitted onto either Brunswick St or Ramsden St ovals.
The common denominator with those two venues Blade is water tanks. A good day of rain will fill the tanks at both Collingwood and Ramsden, and we have had a few "tank-fillers" this summer.

If and when the council whack a tank, or underground storage at Brunswick Street / Edinburgh Gardens, it will be the envy of all other grounds both in surface and atmosphere. Might be chalk and cheese here, but Scotch College have installed a 5 million litre "bladder" under the school, and it takes runoff from the roof, from the drains and their grounds are outstanding (and pretty large too). If the CoY can manage that, then the whole Edinburgh area would be awesome. The sight of the local soccer club training on BSO whenever they want will also be somewhat more bearable too :D
 
West Coburg Football Club (EDFL A Grade) are looking for practice matches on March 20th and the 10th of April. Due to our ground being unavailable we would need to play at your ground.

Please email Peter Zouzounis on peter139@optusnet.com.au if interested.
 
Practice matches will be starting soon and finally some real form will be able to be gauged.

This is also the time the local council's start denying access to grounds to play said practice matches. One council has apparently sent a letter to all it's clubs denying access to the grounds for practice matches due to the lack of snowfall in Vancouver for the Winter Olympics...go figure!
 
Couldn't help noticing that despite all the foreboding by some and (apparently) some recruiting attempts the only player to exit the Monders for HR (according to the clearances to date) is Matty's brother who probably won't play much anyway.

Ammo Man, Dave is going as an assistant coach, very doubtful he will play at all considering he only played a few clubbies games last year.
 
Ammo Man, Dave is going as an assistant coach, very doubtful he will play at all considering he only played a few clubbies games last year.

I wouldn't know anything about Hampton & Ormond and players moving, but keep in my mind many clubs won't have put their clearance requests in yet! Scotch & Pt Cook seem to be the only clubs would are organised this early!
 
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