Carlton - next move

[Big Red is back]

Because you can't post anything that isn't roses and sunshine on the CFC board without being bullied by the click and carded. Worst club board.

Whilst this thread has had some trolling, most posts have been constructive. I believe when you aren't the elite club in the comp you need to learn as much as possible from everyone else - it is worth sorting through piles of shit to get the odd gem. I don't think about 17 - I want to be the first club to 20.

So true our mods are so one eyed it destroys our board.

 

[laminex]

Injuries hurt teams - no doubt about it.

How many teams will win with:

- Best ruckman out
- 2nd, 3rd and 4th best defenders out
- Best forward marking option out
- Best midfielder out
- Best tagger out

Form is a bit of a worry too for Judd and a few others.

I've considered this in light of numerous team lists and can't really think of any team that would not struggle in these circumstances.

While I'd love there to be a magic cure (sack the coach!) there isn't.

Get the form back, get the players back from injury ... get moving. Worry for Carlton is that the month ahead is hard, so we've got to get going soon!

Attitude is all important and we have a shit house one atm. Things not going our way we drop our head and give up. Judd has not been the same every since he had little Oscar, I do not know if or what has happened but he is not getting the run thru he was previous.

 

[BlueManic]

You do now.


Liar.

Yeah idiot I think with two undergraduate degrees, one masters degree and another one the way, as well as considerable personal wealth, I do understand the difference between "click" and "clique". But feel free to take a cheap pot shot based on an assumption you made that is incorrect.

As for your liar comment others can judge based on your posting history and a tour of the Carlton board.

Run along now. It is disappointing in a thread where I asked for no trolling the biggest troll of all is a Carlton supporter - not surprising based on your history though.

 

[King Elvis]

Yeah... take there best midfielder out of the middle while there 2nd and 3rd best midfielders (murphy & carrazzo) are out injured.

That should win them games

Yea, I'd wait until they're back, but they can't kick goals, and I don't think Judd can keep playing as their #1 mid for too much longer.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Their next move?

It might go something like this...

"Hello Mr Malthouse, welcome to the Carlton Football Club. On the desk is a cheque which is already signed and has your name on it. All it needs is for you to fill out the amount you want. Feel free to put down any figure you like or desire. Then you can get to work right away! By the way, our motto is we're Carlton and the rest can get ****ed!"

 

[BlueManic]

Their next move?

It might go something like this...

"Hello Mr Malthouse, welcome to the Carlton Football Club. On the desk is a cheque which is already signed and has your name on it. All it needs is for you to fill out the amount you want. Feel free to put down any figure you like or desire. Then you can get to work right away! By the way, our motto is we're Carlton and the rest can get ****ed!"

Don't like Malthouse. Very over rated - if he didn't win a flag in 2010 would be seen as well past his prime.

Personally Paul Roos - give him $1.5 million per year for 3 years. Put Leigh Matthews in as a consultant to help Roos in building the best football department in the country. Send Wayne Hughes out of the building and put real money into development and recruitment. Get rid of the boys club mentality - performance is all that counts.

 

[chunkylover53]

Tricky situation. Geelong finished 6th in 05 and looked to be coming. Missed the 8 in 06 and everyone was calling for Bombers head, very similar to the way Blues fans are calling for Rattens.

Geelong stuck by their man and showed faith, one of the most gutsy actions I've seen from a football department, and look what happened. Would have been so easy to keep the supporters happy and give him the sack. Be interesting to see what the Blues do if they finish the season as underachievers (most likely).

 

[bourbons]

Their next move?

It might go something like this...

"Hello Mr Malthouse, welcome to the Carlton Football Club. On the desk is a cheque which is already signed and has your name on it. All it needs is for you to fill out the amount you want. Feel free to put down any figure you like or desire. Then you can get to work right away! By the way, our motto is we're Carlton and the rest can get ****ed!"

Why would Mick want to sully his legacy by taking on that bunch of pretenders? There ain't enough money in the world...

Coach is only part of the equation, the way they're playing at the moment Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't be able to get them up. Its like they've lost the will to live or something

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I know Murphy was burning it up and is a GUN. I didn't realise how losing him robbed you of THAT much!

It's seems that without both him and Carrazzo and now Scotland you guys are in more trouble than the early settlers!

 

[Pie eyed]

Yeah idiot I think with two undergraduate degrees, one masters degree and another one the way, as well as considerable personal wealth, I do understand the difference between "click" and "clique". But feel free to take a cheap pot shot based on an assumption you made that is incorrect.

As for your liar comment others can judge based on your posting history and a tour of the Carlton board.

Run along now. It is disappointing in a thread where I asked for no trolling the biggest troll of all is a Carlton supporter - not surprising based on your history though.

God such pleas to authority make me want to upchuck even in a footy thread.
You leave yourself open to all the trolling you get.

 

[forwardflanker]

Injuries hurt teams - no doubt about it.

How many teams will win with:

- Best ruckman out
- 2nd, 3rd and 4th best defenders out
- Best forward marking option out
- Best midfielder out
- Best tagger out

Collingwood

 

[forwardflanker]

Yeah idiot I think with two undergraduate degrees, one masters degree and another one the way, as well as considerable personal wealth, I do understand the difference between "click" and "clique". But feel free to take a cheap pot shot based on an assumption you made that is incorrect.

As for your liar comment others can judge based on your posting history and a tour of the Carlton board.

Run along now. It is disappointing in a thread where I asked for no trolling the biggest troll of all is a Carlton supporter - not surprising based on your history though.

 

[Morris Major]

Honestly don't think they have a flag winning list, need a mini-rebuild and get a power forward. It looks good when Hampson, Garlett, Eddie kicks 3 each but rotating ruckmen through the forward line is not a sustainable option. I've seen my team have their tilt with mainly small forwards and fall short, and Brad Johnson is a more reliable forward than Waite.

 

[kreuze_missile]

I can understand why a Bulldogs supporter would have that opinion, but the fact is that when Carlton are up and running kicking goals has never been our issue.

 

[Blues_Man]

Yeah idiot I think with two undergraduate degrees, one masters degree and another one the way, as well as considerable personal wealth, I do understand the difference between "click" and "clique". But feel free to take a cheap pot shot based on an assumption you made that is incorrect.

As for your liar comment others can judge based on your posting history and a tour of the Carlton board.

Run along now. It is disappointing in a thread where I asked for no trolling the biggest troll of all is a Carlton supporter - not surprising based on your history though.

And you wonder why people think you are a knob and dislike you ?

You don't have to be a member of mensa to spot a tosspot.

 

[Fadge]

I can understand why a Bulldogs supporter would have that opinion, but the fact is that when Carlton are up and running kicking goals has never been our issue.

See, this is the core of the problem.

It is a reliable structure with a quality and reasonably deep list that enables a strong team to:
a) win enough games to finish top 4, and
b) win three games in four weeks on the biggest stage against the best teams.

Yes, Carlton can pile on the goals when they are running at full throttle and palying against an inferior team whether that be by virtue of developmental stage or injuries.

However, when Carlton lose a couple of their top end, they are very quickly exposed. I said before the Melbourne game that there would only be three teams in the competition they should rightfully start favourite against in that round. Carlton supporters unsurprisingly scoffed, though after this weekend, I feel I was pretty much on the money.

 

[BlueManic]

And you wonder why people think you are a knob and dislike you ?

You don't have to be a member of mensa to spot a tosspot.

And another member of the love brigade comes on board...

See we get a rationale discussion on the state of our club going on the main board and surprise surprise the usual suspects come along and derail it.

 

[BlueManic]

Is this your daddy?

 

[BlueManic]

God such pleas to authority make me want to upchuck even in a footy thread.
You leave yourself open to all the trolling you get.

Sorry if facts offend you champ - now can we get back to the thread topic ffs

 

[Wharf]

Carlton in the same boat as Freo at the moment. Can turn things around but probably won't have a big impact on finals.

 

[Steeleyourself]

This is only my opinion, and I'm sure many people will disagree but I think the following is needed:

-Ratten needs to be shown that their game plan runs out way to easily under immense pressure and injuries. Does he need a plan B? Kind of, he doesn't have players that can swing anyway, so a plan B would have to match the current team to their strengths. Other than Hendo and Waite, who can swing easily and make an immediate impact?

-Gibbs needs a consistant spot IN THE MIDDLE! even as a tagger he is much better in the middle than as a back flanker. If Ratten wants to keep with this, you'd be better off trading gibbs and moving Lucas back into that role and getting hopefully a good KPF or KPD from that trade. (I am not saying trade him, just get him where he does so much damage, the midfield!)

-Trade Warnock for a proper KP player and start on a young spare ruck. If kruz and hampson go down, you are in trouble, but so are Collingwood if we lose Jolly/Wood. but we are building Ceg/Witts as 2 possible prospects. This is something I feel would work great at Carlton.

-The players need to look at Ellard/Robinson and be told "put that much effort in!" Especially those without a consistant spot in the 22, REALLY drive it home to make them earn a spot in the 22. If they don't make it, move them on at years end.

These are just things I believe from watching Carlton this year. I'm not saying these must happen, but these are just my musings as to what might help?

 

[Gone Critical]

I think I am in the group that overestimated them at the start of this season. History shows plenty of sides can get away to a bit of a blinder, fool the punters but then drop off. The Hawks side that won about 9 straight at the start of the year in the early 2000s then crashed is an example. Injuries have hurt but when they went down to Ess and the Saints they were much closer to full strength than they are now.

Carltons biggest problem for 2012 is the next 4 matches. Being genorous they will probably win 1 but its hard to see 2 from Geel, WCE (Perth) Hawks and Collingwood. Give them 1-3 over that time and that leaves them 7-7 and still facing Rich/Ess/Syd/St K in the last 8 matches. Making the finals is starting to look a little touch and go and if they do it could well be another 1st week interstate trip. Point is its hard to see Ratten surviving after what the club and he put up as expectations. As Peter Schwab found out these predictions can come back to bite you.

Scotland is also now out for 3 weeks so things get tougher

Biggest problem going forward is KPF

Waite has had 10 seasons roughly and hasn't put together one that would qualify as a KPF around which you would want to build a finals team. He is a good swingman, similar to Adam Hunter WCE

Krueze and Hampson are rucks so long term solution. They are a stop gap.

Your biggest problem is you set up a midfield with Judd/Murph/Gibbs/Kruezer with all your high draft picks then went to 2010 with picks 18, 34 ,and 42 picking big men Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and Casboult from the rookie list then Rowe as a speculative pick last year. These guys are rough chances to make it. Only Watson among them has played a game. If any of them do make it as an established top KPF its years before they will be that. Look at the good forwards running around today Buddy, Kennedy, Cloke, Hawkins, Reiwolt x2, Pavlich etc. Most are early draft picks or FS picks who would have gone early.

Carlton desperately need a good KPF who is already developed. Maybe a Gibbs or Yarran on the trade table?

 

[Roby]

Well now that Scotland is probably out, they will forced to play Gibbs in the middle... surely. Could be a blessing in disguise.

 

[starchamber]

Carlton problem is too few carry The Midfield and Lack a real Forward. The other is a Coach that Is Average at best. He would have been moved on if Richard Pratt was alive. Richard would want results and the best coach available.

The Club have too see how the next few weeks roll if they lose them, forget the season. The Club needs to give some young guys the remaining games and just keep them in, forget about saving a few goals.

The 2012 draft is one of the best, hold on to our draft pick do not trade it away.

Make Two Lists, the players you want to get and another list who wants to come to Carlton that can play. Cross the name of the player if it all about the Money.

Trade Hard on guys Like Paul Bower, Shaun Hampson, Jordan Russell and even some unperformed stars. I still rather Keep Bryce Gibbs just remove Ratten as head Coach and Play him permanently in the midfield no matter what.

We could get up to 3 good players in the 2013 season. We need a key forward, face it Jarrad Waite near finished and is not the forward. We will find a real good midfield if we keep our first round pick. The remaining picks we must use well, they must be tough.

We should find a tough nut or 2 midfield with the trades. The real forward will be the missing link but we must give Mitchell the remaining games of the year to get him ready for 2013, when he ready in the next month or 2.

 

[Thrawn]

I certainly have, neither would scare anyone. How many preseasons has Simpson had? 10? And he still has less presence than a female jockey or Andrew mackie.

Why does every player have to be built like a brick wall? Michael Tuck for example, was never bulky. Skinny is not synonymous with being 'nice' or not being tough. You're the kind of person who obviously watches very few Carlton games, because Simpson has thrown his body around more times than not. He's courageous and doesn't mind the tough stuff, just because he isn't as physically intimidating as someone like a Judd or Robinson doesn't mean he's a soft marshmallow or "too nice". You're completely full of crap on that one.

And is it not true that kreuzers nickname at the club is Humphrey? Because he didn't speak till his 3rd season? Can this be confirmed by a Carlton supporter?

I don't know the origin behind the name, and neither do you. So he might have been shy... so what? Does that stop him from chasing all day, putting in hard solid efforts with his frame and not giving a crap about his personal welfare when putting himself on the line? Not every player is as physically imposing as Carey was. Having a shy personality has nothing to do with being "too nice".

My point is Carlton are full of talented athletes, but non competitive people.

Your point became redundant when you mentioned Simpson and Kruezer - they are anything but non-competitive.

Marc Murphy has released a clothing range at Westfield, so has buddy... But buddy has won a premiership.

Marc Murphy injured himself last week putting his body on the line for the team in an effort to lead the way physically. Why you bothered to mention him in such a way, seems to allude to you calling him soft or "too nice". Enough with the crap please, it's little wonder why I don't bother posting much any more...