Coach Carlton under Voss

[Mr.X]

Time for everyone to move on, there’s no point dragging on what we know will end up happening

 

[Scotland]

I don't think it's so ridiculous to compare to Richmond 2016 BUT for the analogy to hold there has to be a gameplan change on the cards that unlocks impact for the middle and bottom tier of the list.

I'm not seeing that from Voss for Carlton, the list feels too one-typed to have that option.

But who knows, send him off to visit some US colleges over summer, get some new assistants around him, and a new club psych, and let's see!

Richmond had a poor 2016 after winning 15, 12, 15 games the previous 3 years. It was funny to the rest of us that they kept losing finals (including to 9th) but they were consistently around the mark. Other than Deledio who was injured half the year I can't think of a single important player older than 28. They then added Caddy (24), Prestia (24), Nank (22) to the mix, some draftees came on and of course Dusty turned into 2017 Dusty.

Cripps is 30. Acres and Hewett are about to join him. Williams, Saad, McGovern turning 31. Docherty is turning 32. I still think of Weitering as a young player that will be part of Carlton's rise but he's turning 28 and closing in on 200 games. Cripps polled 45 (!) Brownlow votes last year and they won 13 games. He can't possibly do any more. They've had Coleman Medal winning seasons from both of their key forwards.

Cerra cost them pick 6. Saad cost pick 8. Williams was a band 1 free agent. They are paying a lot of money to Cripps, Curow, McKay, Weitering etc. and TDK is going to cost $1m+ if he stays. They remind me a bit of my own team when we fell off. Older players on big contracts, not much to write home about in terms of young players. I don't know how bad they can get but I don't see where massive improvement will come from.

Feel for Voss because he seems like a good dude that the players love but he's been there 4 years and will finish up with around a 50/50 W-L record by the end of this season. IMO the list isn't that great but I would rather coach Carlton 2022-25 than 2026-.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

Did Carlton do a proper process to appoint Voss? They well may have but the other appointments lacked integrity

 

[THE_GUN]

Richmond had a poor 2016 after winning 15, 12, 15 games the previous 3 years. It was funny to the rest of us that they kept losing finals (including to 9th) but they were consistently around the mark. Other than Deledio who was injured half the year I can't think of a single important player older than 28. They then added Caddy (24), Prestia (24), Nank (22) to the mix, some draftees came on and of course Dusty turned into 2017 Dusty.

Your post is pretty accurate but you did miss out on the player that was instrumental in setting the culture and leading the club whilst sacrificing his natural game.

Trent Cotchin is the man that changes the club and everybody within the club knows this

 

[Atomboy]

Play West Coast 22 times?

Ahh geez, do we have to watch this every Friday night ??

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Last night was Carlton oldest’s matchday team since 1944?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

Bad organisations usually make bad decisions and bad appointments time and time again. It becomes clear they’re bad and so they reverse (sack) them… then people think that’s the problem and argue “we just need to stick with somebody… anybody!”

You are right, every one needs to be judged on their own merits.

There’s a fair argument too that those who made the decisions should hand over to somebody else - if they’re still there.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Richmond had a poor 2016 after winning 15, 12, 15 games the previous 3 years. It was funny to the rest of us that they kept losing finals (including to 9th) but they were consistently around the mark. Other than Deledio who was injured half the year I can't think of a single important player older than 28. They then added Caddy (24), Prestia (24), Nank (22) to the mix, some draftees came on and of course Dusty turned into 2017 Dusty.

Cripps is 30. Acres and Hewett are about to join him. Williams, Saad, McGovern turning 31. Docherty is turning 32. I still think of Weitering as a young player that will be part of Carlton's rise but he's turning 28 and closing in on 200 games. Cripps polled 45 (!) Brownlow votes last year and they won 13 games. He can't possibly do any more. They've had Coleman Medal winning seasons from both of their key forwards.

Cerra cost them pick 6. Saad cost pick 8. Williams was a band 1 free agent. They are paying a lot of money to Cripps, Curow, McKay, Weitering etc. and TDK is going to cost $1m+ if he stays. They remind me a bit of my own team when we fell off. Older players on big contracts, not much to write home about in terms of young players. I don't know how bad they can get but I don't see where massive improvement will come from.

Feel for Voss because he seems like a good dude that the players love but he's been there 4 years and will finish up with around a 50/50 W-L record by the end of this season. IMO the list isn't that great but I would rather coach Carlton 2022-25 than 2026-.

'Won 15 12 15 games' is a dangerous summary, too. That Richmond side not only did 2016-2017, but also went from a complete disaster of a 3-10 season to win 9 consecutive games, including against the top team in the last round (Sydney, though with Buddy rested), to scrape into the 2014 finals with other results falling their way.

That's the equivalent of North winning every game from here, including beating the Lions or Pies in the last round, to play finals! Utterly fanciful!

There is a good chance that neither of those things will happen again in our lifetimes. It's a real danger for other sides to use that Tiger side as an instructive example.

 

[Gavin Excell]

'Won 15 12 15 games' is a dangerous summary, too. That Richmond side not only did 2016-2017, but also went from a complete disaster of a 3-10 season to win 9 consecutive games, including against the top team in the last round (Sydney, though with Buddy rested), to scrape into the 2014 finals with other results falling their way.

That's the equivalent of North winning every game from here, including beating the Lions or Pies in the last round, to play finals! Utterly fanciful!

There is a good chance that neither of those things will happen again in our lifetimes. It's a real danger for other sides to use that Tiger side as an instructive example.

In our lifetimes.....

 

[Orange Agent]

Did Carlton do a proper process to appoint Voss? They well may have but the other appointments lacked integrity

Yep. The selection panel made up of Blues OB's in Parkin, Diesel, and among others the CEO at the time and one that now sticks out like a sore thumb in footy boss Brad Lloyd, who seems to be invisible when the shit hits the fan. If the fans need blood to spill to feel better Lloyd is the one that needs to go.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Carlton under anyone and everyone have been poor for the best part of 30 years.

 

[Bostonian]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out after 1 flukey season and a Prelim final appearance.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one, move on and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him but is the common uneducated opinion nowadays. No coach we have sacked in the last 30years has ever gone to another team and succeeded in the same role making our decision to move on from them the wrong one.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final last year. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

It's hilarious when certain people say that our problem has been sacking coaches so easily, never giving them more time to turn things around.

They never mention the fact that none of these coaches ever did shit as senior coaches after they got the arse proves they were just bad hires in the first place.

We had 5 years of a Voss being a big average coach at Brisbane to see he was not worth hiring as a senior coach.

We still gave him the job anyway.

In one of his first interviews he mentioned going and asking the players what style of football they would like to play.

Right then you knew he had **** all ideas of his own.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Not Voss's fault its the players.

 

[Kram]

It's a list management and club culture problem before any coaching.

 

[carlton_99]

It’s pretty infamous a Richmond supporter spitting on Danny Frawley but I’m surprised that Carlton hasn’t come out to push back on the way the supporters just hurl abuse at em over the race at the end of games.
They need to protect their players but it looks like the club wants the memevwrahip money more than showing the playing group they’re in it with them.
Carlton supporters are probably the worst for that at the moment and every time I’ve heard Voss or even the GM talking at the airport after yesterdays game calling them passionate supporters…they should be telling them to fk off.
It just doesn’t seem like there’s anyone being positive about what they have and what they can do.
Collingwood had some injuries last year and missed the finals.
Maybe Carlton don’t have the depth and if all the best players aren’t out there playing at their best they fall away..but FMD believe in what your doing.
Cancelling and moving the membership day because of a loss to Richmond in Rnd 1 is weak as piss and I think it’s another example of Cow tailing to influence.
The whole club looks like it’s worried about what the members and supporters think and it’s fkd em.

I dunno about Voss as a coach but looking from the outside it looks like they don’t believe and that’s on the whole club.

Let's not generalise a few morons to an entire fan base including 100K+ members. It's ridiculous that any club would come out and attack fans - cannot remember a time when that has ever happened. 100K membership + 2nd highest average crowd attendance in the competition in 2025 despite splitting home games at Marvel and MCG shows the fans are more than doing their part. Idiots like Snapper and the like are just attention-seeking warts.

 

[Bostonian]

The whole club looks like it’s worried about what the members and supporters think and it’s fkd em.

So they should be worried about what the members think.

They aren't running the club for the players benefit, you get that yeah?

The players only have this job opportunity because of the fans. Same with every other employee of a professional football club.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

So they should be worried about what the members think.

They aren't running the club for the players benefit, you get that yeah?

The players only have this job opportunity because of the fans. Same with every other employee of a professional football club.

No. Just no.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Franchina
Cerra
Cincotta
Silvagni

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's hilarious when certain people say that our problem has been sacking coaches so easily, never giving them more time to turn things around.

They never mention the fact that none of these coaches ever did shit as senior coaches after they got the arse proves they were just bad hires in the first place.

We had 5 years of a Voss being a big average coach at Brisbane to see he was not worth hiring as a senior coach.

We still gave him the job anyway.

In one of his first interviews he mentioned going and asking the players what style of football they would like to play.

Right then you knew he had **** all ideas of his own.

Who was the selection panel? Was it all Carlton people or were external people involved in the coach search?

A coach having an identity of their own should be prerequisite 1.
A coach having a plan for how he'd set up that group of players should be prerequisite 2.

 

[Bostonian]

No. Just no.

Bullshit.

Do you even understand how football clubs and business work?

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Bullshit.

Do you even understand how football clubs and business work?

I do. Clearly you don't.

 

[Bostonian]

Who was the selection panel? Was it all Carlton people or were external people involved in the coach search?

A coach having an identity of their own should be prerequisite 1.
A coach having a plan for how he'd set up that group of players should be prerequisite 2.

"The Carlton Football Club's AFL Senior Coach selection panel is led by Football Director Greg Williams, and includes fellow Directors Tim Lincoln and Patty Kinnersly, three-time premiership coach David Parkin, CEO Cain Liddle, and Head of Football Brad Lloyd. This six-member subcommittee is responsible for leading the appointment process for the club's next senior coach. "

Tim Lincoln, Patty Kinnersley like what the **** would they know about selecting a coach. Why they were on the panel who the **** knows.

Liddle was all about making money. Lloyd has proven useless.

Williams and Parkin might have just had the game pass them by.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Who is good enough to coach Carlton? It's not like there's 100 proven coaches out there. All you can do is select what's on offer. Carlton have been through many coaches and I don't believe it's the coaches fault.

 

[Bostonian]

I do. Clearly you don't.

Oh I do. I've been involved with football clubs all my life.

Fans are the lifeblood of every club from the smallest to the biggest.

You're full of shit if you're going to try and push your stupid view as somehow being a fact.

You literally say members opinions don't matter all the while having pointed out how a club can take an action to appease the members.

Seems the clubs don't agree with you. Doubt many other people would either.

 

[Ctracks]

Franchina
Cerra
Cincotta
Silvagni

Dance the tarantella.