List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[Arr0w]

How predictable

That's what happens when you can't form your own opinion, use a so called expert in Twomey, staggering

 

[Benaly28]

Footscray rumoured to be keen on him and Twomey rates him in his top dozen players.
Seems to have a lot of good attributes and would be a nice fit for Carlton.

Footscray,really?Its 2019 can we call them by their right name.

 

[Red Bull]

Been accused of many things but not having an opinion sure ain’t one of them.
Stick to fantasising about mystery players mate ...

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah, just like you and SOS not rating Levi and he will be traded

That type of fantasy?

 

[Red Bull]

Footscray,really?Its 2019 can we call them by their right name.

Feel free to call them whatever you like mate, i like Footscray.

 

[Benaly28]

Feel free to call them whatever you like mate, i like Footscray.

And I’ve been mated as well.

 

[RoyalParade]

Footscray rumoured to be keen on him and Twomey rates him in his top dozen players.
Seems to have a lot of good attributes and would be a nice fit for Carlton.

There was talk at the time Melb and north traded picks, that Melb were after weightman.

What business do you see us doing with hawthorn and freo?

 

[Red Bull]

There was talk at the time Melb and north traded picks, that Melb were after weightman.

What business do you see us doing with hawthorn and freo?

He seems like a good rated prospect.
If you need a quality small forward, why wouldn’t you in this draft.
Post 614 on page 25 of our “Pick 9” thread outlines what I’d be discussing with Fremantle and Hawthorn

 

[Arr0w]

Want a dangerous small/medium forward, with xfactor and game changing abilities, Elijah Taylor

If you are going to reach at 9 (wouldn't do it in a pink fit) , it would be Taylor, not Weightman

 

[Michael Jezz]

Footscray,really?Its 2019 can we call them by their right name.

They are Footscray
Our ground is Princes Park

 

[Benaly28]

They are Footscray
Our ground is Princes Park

And Brisbane are the Bears let’s go retro.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where can I re-watch the U/18 Champs? From my Google searches I've found a lot of articles and not much video.

EDIT: Never mind, I found it.

 

[Pafloyul]

We do already have one though. Willo, if Russell can get him right. Will be a star.

It is an 'if' though, at the moment. I was thinking earlier in the year that we needed to fill gaps with carefully selected players but some on our list haven't come on the way I'd hoped for various reasons. I'm quite happy to go to the draft for one more year but I think we need to find a second rounder, ideally.

 

[ferrisb]

I am interested in some predictions of undervalued or bargain prospects.

I was going to ask the board for suggestions before TerryWallet read my mind with one of his posts (see below, moved from Pick 9 thread)

The 3 players who i see being value comparing my rating to overall projected rating are :

Dylan Williams: who i have top 5 but seems to be going anywhere from about 15 to 40.
Ky Pickett: who i have around 20 but seems to be going anywhere from late 20's to 50.
Harry Schoenberg: who i have around 15 but seems to be going 2nd round or so.

So, I put this out to the board. Who are your player crushes? Who do you think will go top 10 but could be the best player in the draft? Which are the players that you don't think are getting the love and attention they deserve? What players do you think will slide and would be worth trading into the draft to select?

Arr0w - I know you love Rivers as an elite prospect but is generally rated in the 15-20 range. Got any more?

Paging LemmingMaster, Eiffel 65, Coona Blues, Jimmae, mediumsizered, The Smoking Gun and any other keen draft watchers I've missed.

 

[windows1]

I am interested in some predictions of undervalued or bargain prospects.

I was going to ask the board for suggestions before TerryWallet read my mind with one of his posts (see below, moved from Pick 9 thread)



So, I put this out to the board. Who are your player crushes? Who do you think will go top 10 but could be the best player in the draft? Which are the players that you don't think are getting the love and attention they deserve? What players do you think will slide and would be worth trading into the draft to select?

Arr0w - I know you love Rivers as an elite prospect but is generally rated in the 15-20 range. Got any more?

Paging LemmingMaster, Eiffel 65, Coona Blues, Jimmae, mediumsizered, The Smoking Gun and any other keen draft watchers I've missed.

Flanders. Just watch.

Also happy to make an extreme call:

Noah Anderson is over rated.

 

[windows1]

And Liam Henry is under rated. Some say he lasts until 15 until nominated?
Hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[windows1]

arrow you’re confusing me. You’re a ‘hurt factor’ guy. You like impact. You don’t like vanilla. Rivers so far to me seems neat. Seems an afl player. I see no ability to break up play, be a dominant contested player etc. what exactly is it that creates the hurt factor in him that I need to look for?

Conversely, Liam Henry is lethal. Everything he touches turns to gold. He is incapable of fumbling. His skills and decision making are superb. His hurt factor is through the roof.

Talk to me.

 

[windows1]

I am interested in some predictions of undervalued or bargain prospects.

I was going to ask the board for suggestions before TerryWallet read my mind with one of his posts (see below, moved from Pick 9 thread)



So, I put this out to the board. Who are your player crushes? Who do you think will go top 10 but could be the best player in the draft? Which are the players that you don't think are getting the love and attention they deserve? What players do you think will slide and would be worth trading into the draft to select?

Arr0w - I know you love Rivers as an elite prospect but is generally rated in the 15-20 range. Got any more?

Paging LemmingMaster, Eiffel 65, Coona Blues, Jimmae, mediumsizered, The Smoking Gun and any other keen draft watchers I've missed.

Perhaps Bergman. I’m going to watch him more closely. Had intensity that I love in footballers. Stay tuned.

 

[ferrisb]

Perhaps Bergman. I’m going to watch him more closely. Had intensity that I love in footballers. Stay tuned.

Windows: I like Bergman's intensity.

nek minnut

Windows: I am going to study Bergman very ******* closely....

I love it!

 

[LemmingMaster]

Noah Anderson is over rated.

No doubt I will end up with egg on my face, but I agree with the Anderson call. I have not seen his best games it seems, as he does not scream top 2 player for me.

 

[LemmingMaster]

And Liam Henry is under rated. Some say he lasts until 15 until nominated?
Hahahahahahahahahaha

That last game in the champs, he dominated playing in the midfield. This kid is a serious talent and Fremantle are super lucky to get him for a free hit.

 

[murphster]

I am really enjoying some of the opinions being put forward this year. There seems to be greater understanding of the "landscape" than in previous seasons.

FWIW, I believe that while we are lesser players on draft night this time around, this year can be pivotal in our rebuild. Consensus has it that we need a mature (stronger bodied) midfielder, outside run, rebounding pace and precision, possibly a lockdown smaller defender, another ruck and notably small forward(s).

Do we maintain our picks and take a "gun" on our radar and whatever manages to get through to 43 and beyond, or conjure a pick swap to get two or three picks in the depth sweet spot of the draft. #9 and #43 gets us "hopefully" a top liner and a slider. What potential trading partners? Brisbane could bring us #16 and #34 for 9/43, Geelong either #14 and #36 or #17 and #24 with some other swaps, Gold Coast chasing #9, but doubtful we could attain #15 and #20 in return. Perhaps Hawthorn's #11 and 30/42 if they want to get ahead of a McGinness bid. Port have #12, #18 and #29, maybe they have a specific target which may not reach #12. Certainly possibilities.

If we maintain 9, my preferred targets have been well discussed. Kemp or Stephens are the logicals, with Robertson the back up if picks do not fall as hoped. I rate Kemp, pre injury as top 3 in the draft, and not necessarily 3, could have been #1. How far will he slide, if he gets to us, surely we take the risk. Love what Stephens offers, not dissimilar to O'Brien, but projects as a more offensive weapon rather than the rounded/balanced LOB. Pace and precision, just what we need, and another leftie won't go astray (pleased to see some effective use of his right foot as well). The "back up", Robertson, I see as a failsafe mid, tough, prolific, both distributor and defensive minded. A simple no risk option. Do we have enough developing young mids or is it a case or can't get enough of a good thing. Anyway, three great options.

If we pick swap, what players enter the discussions? As mentioned earlier in the thread "Kossie" Pickett is likely to struggle to get to #43. I love his highlights and rate him a great bet to "make it". Surely if the opportunity arises, we take the opportunity to use Eddie as a hands on mentor. If we can draft our small forward, it prevents a future "dance" with the Swans over Papley, allowing for draft currency for a mature mid or even an unlikely hail Mary for Grundy in free agency. A pick in the late 20's or 30's surely gives a significant chance of Pickett lasting to us.

The likes of Cooper Stephens, tough midfielder, who has had some time off half back (underage) missed most of the season with a broken leg. Tested brilliantly at the combine, particularly on endurance after missing the back half of the year. This projects massive upside to me. FWIW, there was a post last year of someone in the know with Stephens suggesting our recruiters had shown interest in his underage year. Arrow's Trent Rivers may bolt up the draft, but most likely a late first. Bit of a mystery where Cody Weightman is taken, some rumours have him in the top 10, but highly unlikely for a small forward in my eyes. Who else in 20's and 30's the athleticism and all round midfield abilities of Sam Philp, defensive and rebounding Brock Smith, a chance mercurial forward Elijah Taylor gets to the second round. Jimmae's man Jeremy Sharp also enters calculations, however, there are persistent rumours the dual All-Australian WA boy was "tanking" pre draft to slip from the first round and stay at home. A few other names I like, but can't list them all.

I like Josh D'Intinosante (small forward/mid) at a later pick and would love the club to take Kye Quirk with our rookie spot or even a late pick. Some excellent gamers at the Northern Blues as a skilful and rounder defender come mid with a hard edge. Would do his grand father proud. I also would be more than happy if the club chose to reward Sam Fisher or Frank Anderson with a spot as well (the Deluca pick was baffling)

I think a swap with Hawks would be a good result for us with 11&30 we could take Weightman at 11 before Bulldogs swoop at 13 and the 30 pick should get us Pickett unless someone else really rated him. Port might want to get a shot at Stephens so might be interested in a swap with us which would also work for us with 12 & 29 would be happy with either result. The other option would be to take Cooper Stephens at 29 or 30 if he slides that far and hope that Pickett gets to 43 conversely we could try and get another pick in the 30s through a trade to get Pickett.

 

[TerryWallet]

No doubt I will end up with egg on my face, but I agree with the Anderson call. I have not seen his best games it seems, as he does not scream top 2 player for me.

I also think Anderson is a bit overrated. But only in an overall draft class, not this draft class. I think he is a plausible No.2 in this draft albeit not a standout No.2 in this draft.

In saying that, as a comparison i think last years draft had 8 genuine No.1 or 2 picks. I think this draft has about 1 genuine No.3 Pick and then about 10 genuine No.6 to 18 Picks.

 

[Arr0w]

arrow you’re confusing me. You’re a ‘hurt factor’ guy. You like impact. You don’t like vanilla. Rivers so far to me seems neat. Seems an afl player. I see no ability to break up play, be a dominant contested player etc. what exactly is it that creates the hurt factor in him that I need to look for?

Conversely, Liam Henry is lethal. Everything he touches turns to gold. He is incapable of fumbling. His skills and decision making are superb. His hurt factor is through the roof.

Talk to me.

Only one club has access to Henry, so pointless talking about where he goes (top 6 quality for mine), Dockers are blessed with having him so cheaply

Many said the same about Fyfe in his draft year, which made him slide to the 2nd round. Now, not saying Rivers will replicate what Fyfe has achieved, but there are similarities in the way they play and projected development is difficult to determine

Can play pretty much anywhere on the park and his vision and disposal are elite

Will share some others that have hurt factor, through different levels of the draft, when I post a top 30 based on talent, but not where they will be taken in the draft

 

[windows1]

Windows: I like Bergman's intensity.

nek minnut

Windows: I am going to study Bergman very ******* closely....

I love it!

Can’t kick