List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[RoyalParade]

I am really enjoying some of the opinions being put forward this year. There seems to be greater understanding of the "landscape" than in previous seasons.

FWIW, I believe that while we are lesser players on draft night this time around, this year can be pivotal in our rebuild. Consensus has it that we need a mature (stronger bodied) midfielder, outside run, rebounding pace and precision, possibly a lockdown smaller defender, another ruck and notably small forward(s).

Do we maintain our picks and take a "gun" on our radar and whatever manages to get through to 43 and beyond, or conjure a pick swap to get two or three picks in the depth sweet spot of the draft. #9 and #43 gets us "hopefully" a top liner and a slider. What potential trading partners? Brisbane could bring us #16 and #34 for 9/43, Geelong either #14 and #36 or #17 and #24 with some other swaps, Gold Coast chasing #9, but doubtful we could attain #15 and #20 in return. Perhaps Hawthorn's #11 and 30/42 if they want to get ahead of a McGinness bid. Port have #12, #18 and #29, maybe they have a specific target which may not reach #12. Certainly possibilities.

If we maintain 9, my preferred targets have been well discussed. Kemp or Stephens are the logicals, with Robertson the back up if picks do not fall as hoped. I rate Kemp, pre injury as top 3 in the draft, and not necessarily 3, could have been #1. How far will he slide, if he gets to us, surely we take the risk. Love what Stephens offers, not dissimilar to O'Brien, but projects as a more offensive weapon rather than the rounded/balanced LOB. Pace and precision, just what we need, and another leftie won't go astray (pleased to see some effective use of his right foot as well). The "back up", Robertson, I see as a failsafe mid, tough, prolific, both distributor and defensive minded. A simple no risk option. Do we have enough developing young mids or is it a case of can't get enough of a good thing. Anyway, three great options.

If we pick swap, what players enter the discussions? As mentioned earlier "Kossie" Pickett is likely to struggle to get to #43. I love his highlights and rate him a great bet to "make it". Surely if the opportunity arises, we take the opportunity to use Eddie as a hands on mentor. If we can draft our small forward, it prevents a future "dance" with the Swans over Papley, allowing for draft currency for a mature mid or even an unlikely hail Mary for Grundy in free agency. A pick in the late 20's or 30's surely gives a significant chance of Pickett lasting to us.

The likes of Cooper Stephens, tough midfielder, who has had some time off half back (underage) missed most of the season with a broken leg. Tested brilliantly at the combine, particularly on endurance after missing the back half of the year. This projects massive upside to me. FWIW, there was a post last year of someone in the know with Stephens suggesting our recruiters had shown interest in his underage year. Arrow's Trent Rivers make bolt up the draft, bat most likely a late first. Bit of a mystery where Cody Weightman is taken, some rumours have him in the top 10, but highly unlikely for a small forward in my eyes. Who else in 20's and 30's the athleticism and all round midfield abilities of Sam Philp, defensive and rebounding Brock Smith, a chance mercurial forward Elijah Taylor gets to the second round. Jimmae's man Jeremy Sharp also enters calculations, however, there are persistent rumours the dual All-Australian WA boy was "tanking" pre draft to slip from the first round and stay at home. A few other names I like, but can't list them all.

I like Josh D'Intinosante (small forward/mid) at a later pick and would love the club to take Kye Quirk with our rookie spot or even a late pick. Some excellent gamers at the Northern Blues as a skilful and rounder defender come mid with a hard edge. Would do his grand father proud. I also would be more than happy if the club chose to reward Sam Fisher or Frank Anderson with a spot as well (the Deluca pick was baffling)

Quirk looked like a footballer to me. Old fashioned footy nous.

Do want

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Kemp is a serious talent but he may not be there. I think Stephens is exactly the type of player we need. However, he might also be gone. Could be a very interesting pick for us.

 

[mediumsizered]

Quirk looked like a footballer to me. Old fashioned footy nous.

Do want

Yep. He got better with each outing at VFL level.

He had played some reasonable football at TAC Cup level in 2018 & finished 2nd in the Eastern Ranges B&F. Of course recruiters were spoilt for choice in the 2018 draft so didn't have to delve too deep into player ranks to fill their drafting needs.

 

[windows1]

I haven’t seen these kids enough to be totally confident but I do have a decent eye and pick one every now and then.
Stephens is the one I like and would be doing cart wheels if we picked him @ 9. Flanders is the other but it seems might not get there. I don’t mind Kemp but Ash I’m not sold on out of the three.

I think I need to get over a bias I have against slight bodied players. I have two pet hates in AFL players: ‘body crumblers’ and fumblers. Crumblers and fumblers. A crumbler is one who not only can’t break a tackle but actually body collapses and causes dangerous turnovers in the process when tackled. Given the huge amount of tackles in the game now being able to stand up in a tackle is more important than it was a decade ago. No doubt I over think it but there’s three categories of ability to deal with tackles:
- can be fully embraced in a tackle yet break it (Martin) or at the least invariably get a handball off (Cripps)
- second category is the player who will break tackles they should: almost out of reach of would be tackler, able to use a bit of power and get away. Most AFl players fit this category.
- final is the Crumbler. Collapses when fully embraced. Gets rag dolled a lot. Gets caught when the tackler only has a fingernail on them.

We have two crumblers on the list right now Fish and LOB) and I love them and worry about them at the same time. Am hopeful LOB can stand up better in tackles over time with a huge amount of core work. Bit worried about Fish. Walsh (pleasantly) shocked me with his capacity to stand up in a tackle this year. Not raising them to create a rabbit hole to go down - just explaining what I mean by the phrase.

I haven’t seen enough of Stephens but I hope he’s not a crumbler? Does he stand up in a tackle? Maybe Lemmingmaster or Arrow might know?

 

[windows1]

can see SOS dangling pick 9 and next years first round pick to move up in the draft

Really? I’d be stunned. He’s not getting 1 or 2. The next Group are reported by many to be very even. I expect him to consider trading down for an extra pickZ. Not up.

Guess time will tell!

 

[Thehurdle]

Can’t see that happening either. I have been wondering how GCS/AFL dig themselves out of the enormous hole they have dug for themselves re Martin. I wonder if a pick swap which lets them claim some sort of win. For example, we get picks 15 and 20 and Martin in the PSD They get 9 plus something (2020 2 nd round pick). Although a terrible deal for GCS, let’s GCS say they were desperate for a top 10 pick, targeting a particular player blah, blah. Won’t happen if in fact we want a particular player at 9. (Although could happen on draft night so we can see if the player goes earlier).

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

I think I got the idea from you, to be honest, but he reads well and could be around the mark or we could trade into the second round. I think we could do with a tallish half back flanker (a want rather than a need).

We do already have one though. Willo, if Russell can get him right. Will be a star.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Really? I’d be stunned. He’s not getting 1 or 2. The next Group are reported by many to be very even. I expect him to consider trading down for an extra pickZ. Not up.

Guess time will tell!

If the players we like are gone by pick 9, I fully expect SOS to have plans in place on draft night to trade down and get 2 later picks. It will depend on who is gone but SOS won’t die wondering and will be ready.

 

[The Bighouse]

Other than Lloyd claiming Brodie Smith left Adelaide this is actually not a bad intro to the potential top 10.

Watched this earlier, like you said it was not a bad piece.

I had to rewind that part on Brodie Smith to check that as a WTF....he also listed Jordan Clark as a top 10 pick for the Cats’ as well at the end, #15 is not top 10..

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Watched this earlier, like you said it was not a bad piece.

I had to rewind that part on Brodie Smith to check that as a WTF....he also listed Jordan Clark as a top 10 pick for the Cats’ as well at the end, #15 is not top 10..

The Velvet Sledgehammer proving once again that he is indeed a half-wit.

 

[Red Bull]

I’ve got Carlton doing a bit of business with Fremantle and Hawthorn on the night and i also see GWS and Melbourne dealing.

1.GC ... Rowell
2.GC ... Anderson
3.GWS ... Young
4.GWS ... Green
5.Adel ... Stephens
6.SYD ... Serong
7.MELB ... Flanders
8.FREO ... Jackson
9.FREO ... Robertson
10.HAW ... McAsey
11.CARL ... Kemp

 

[TerryWallet]

I’ve got Carlton doing a bit of business with Fremantle and Hawthorn on the night and i also see GWS and Melbourne dealing.

1.GC ... Rowell
2.GC ... Anderson
3.GWS ... Young
4.GWS ... Green
5.Adel ... Stephens
6.SYD ... Serong
7.MELB ... Flanders
8.FREO ... Jackson
9.FREO ... Robertson
10.HAW ... McAsey
11.CARL ... Kemp

Melbourne would have another pick between the Freo picks under the assumed trades. Pushing us back 1 more pick.

 

[Red Bull]

Melbourne would have another pick between the Freo picks under the assumed trades. Pushing us back 1 more pick.

Wouldn’t GWS hand over pick 6 and something else for Melbourne’s pick 3 ?
What am i missing Terry ?

 

[TerryWallet]

Wouldn’t GWS hand over pick 6 and something else for Melbourne’s pick 3 ?
What am i missing Terry ?

Melbourne also have Pick 8 already, which would fall in between the Freo picks.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

2020 1st & 43 for Geelong 14 & 17
9 & 2020 swap for GC 15 & 20.
Gives us 14, 15, 17, 20

 

[Red Bull]

Melbourne also have Pick 8 already, which would fall in between the Freo picks.

Gotcha

1.GC ... Rowell
2.GC ... Anderson
3.GWS ... Young
4.GWS ... Green
5.ADEL ... Stephens
6.SYD ... Serong
7.MELB ... Flanders
8.FREO ... Jackson
9.MELB ... Kemp
10.FREO ... Robertson
11.HAW ... McAsey
12.CARL ... Weightman

 

[Arr0w]

No way Weightman gets selected inside the 1st round

 

[Red Bull]

No way Weightman gets selected inside the 1st round

Good to know

 

[Eiffel 65]

No way Weightman gets selected inside the 1st round

There seems to be a bit of a buzz around him though. Maybe someone will reach or potentially see him as a top dozen pick?

 

[Red Bull]

There seems to be a bit of a buzz around him though. Maybe someone will reach or potentially see him as a top dozen pick?

Footscray rumoured to be keen on him and Twomey rates him in his top dozen players.
Seems to have a lot of good attributes and would be a nice fit for Carlton.

 

[Arr0w]

There seems to be a bit of a buzz around him though. Maybe someone will reach or potentially see him as a top dozen pick?

Better long term prospects than a pure, short, small forward

 

[Arr0w]

If we got Papley, would anyone here be interested in Weightman?

As for Twomey, he has no idea of talent, his phantom drafts are based on information he gets from clubs

 

[Red Bull]

If your auntie had balls she’d be your uncle ...
I’m sure Twomey would be shattered

 

[Arr0w]

You just keep using him as a measuring, balls and all

 

[Red Bull]

Call Macca ...