Changes for Gold Coast

[balthazarthedonk]

I can't continue watching Chris Mayne. He saps morale too often in closer games although, having said that, Freo was never in the game today.

I'd like to see Alex Pearce used as a swingman and Langdon used in the link up role Mzungu used to play so well. An injured Clarke will make way for Sandi. Jonno in, Pearce out. If Jonno not fit then Silvagni.

The other player who has been let off lightly is Sutcliffe. He can't defend and these days he's lost his run and carry too. I'd like to see Hughes transitioned into his role, he seems to read the ball well and defend one-on-one better. Sutcliffe, I hope, can regain form but may do it more quickly at Peel.

Silvagni should never have been dropped for Pearce; I want to see a role for Alex because I think he has really improved the distributor side of his game and because he is such a competitor. Mora will also want to get a gig in the backline. So watch out Spurr, some of your decision making today was unacceptable for a member of the leadership group.

Suban and/or Barlow are also on very shaky ground, saved only by the number of changes already and Blakely needing to improve his own kicking. Barlow's disposal by foot is awful though. EDIT: And, of course, Bennell's injury

I agree with Gekko71 that the team seems to be struggling with the mental load of a change in game plan and focus on short, precise passing. I think this will take some time to fix - possibly half a season, like the Eagles under Simpson. That being the case, if we're going to lose a few during this period, they might as well play some of the kids who are the future anyway. Surely more interesting, too, even if we lose than the eyesore performance today.

 

[meima]

I can't continue watching Chris Mayne. He saps morale too often in closer games although, having said that, Freo was never in the game today.

I'd like to see Alex Pearce used as a swingman and Langdon used in the link up role Mzungu used to play so well. An injured Clarke will make way for Sandi. Jonno in, Pearce out. If Jonno not fit then Silvagni.

The other player who has been let off lightly is Sutcliffe. He can't defend and these days he's lost his run and carry too. I'd like to see Hughes transitioned into his role, he seems to read the ball well and defend one-on-one better. Sutcliffe, I hope, can regain form but may do it more quickly at Peel.

Silvagni should never have been dropped for Pearce; I want to see a role for Alex because I think he has really improved the distributor side of his game and because he is such a competitor. Mora will also want to get a gig in the backline. So watch out Spurr, some of your decision making today was unacceptable for a member of the leadership group.

Suban and/or Barlow are also on very shaky ground, saved only by the number of changes already and Blakely needing to improve his own kicking. Barlow's disposal by foot is awful though. EDIT: And, of course, Bennell's injury

I agree with Gekko71 that the team seems to be struggling with the mental load of a change in game plan and focus on short, precise passing. I think this will take some time to fix - possibly half a season, like the Eagles under Simpson. That being the case, if we're going to lose a few during this period, they might as well play some of the kids who are the future anyway. Surely more interesting, too, even if we lose than the eyesore performance today.

Agree with it , it is more easy to teach a young player to get rid of habits than the older generation. Mitchell knew early he don't have the speed to run off player therefore having the ability to kick both side and fast decision making cover his weakness in this area. Today let me see a bigger problem those foot soldier can't even handball properly or to 2 on 1.

 

[freo_leo29]

Out: Dawson, Clancee, Mzungu, Clarke(Inj)

In: Silvagni, A.Pearce, Deboer/Langdon, Sandilands


We need to move past Dawson IMO, the game is moving towards fast rebound and when the ball is in his hands it moves so slow, he also can't mark which destroys any quick turnover and rebound, the dogs today marked everything in defense, whereas we could only spoil and we were destroyed at ground level by a much faster and smarter team(quick flicks and taps around instead of picking up and getting tackled) Silvagni or A.Pearce to take this spot.

Clancee's disposal and decision making are too sketchy, needs a long run the 2's to find some form.

Mzungu can't mark and is a poor kick and it kills us, Deboer is one of our better marks believe it or not, can't kick far but can actually be pretty accurate. Langdon seems to be able to mark but i'm not sure if its just him finding space, is a decent kick too and we could use the turn of pace.

Clarke injured from Ross presser otherwise i would have Griff out. Sandi obvious inclusion

Would have liked Bennell fit against his old team but he was unlucky, we need mora fit as he could be a huge inclusion.
Interested to see how Ablett goes now that we have no Crowley, he hasn't had an influence against us in 5 or so years.

 

[Lach72]

Dawson out? JFC

 

[Lach72]

You watched that and thought Dawson out? [emoji15][emoji379]

 

[Caldera]

You watched that and thought Dawson out? [emoji15][emoji379]

I'm no Dawson fanboi but he was solid today. Boyd had no impact.

 

[jerms]

Surely you're kidding. No contact to the head at all. Got him in the shoulder. Very lucky, but will be thrown out.

I'd persist with Tabs. Mayne I'm done with ATM.

Out - Clarke, CPearce, Mayne
In - APearce, Sandi, Johnson & ball use plz

Spot on to me.

 

[Nickos66]

only 1 or 2 people who, to put it politely are being unrealistic have mentioned the likes of Grey, Smith, Ueber.
The majority want to see Weller retained, Langdon and Alex Pearce added along with Bennell and Mora when ready.
Surely you can't think thats not realistic?

Yeah but pointing out those 1 or 2 obviously outlandish and flippant calls for playing of rookies makes his post hold more weight, and therefore give him leverage to say others don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Gekko71]

Myself I can't see any particular inclusions or exclusions being terribly obvious on the back of that performance. There were so many areas of non-performance, by so many players, that it's hard to say categorically where the blame lies most.

Team performance ultimately is a collection of inter-operating systems and processes, and you usually only change personnell if another individual can perform their part of that system consistently better than the incumbant... but with a game like that, it's nearly impossible to say - it becomes a cavalcade of chicken and/or egg scenrios

Do you blame:

The foreards for missing goal opportunities and not pressuring the dog's defenders enough after losing possession in the forward 50?
The midfield for failure to supplying the forwards properly and often enough to result in any scoreboard pressure?
The defenders for failing to transition the ball into the midfield after gaining possession in the back 50?
Was it the midfield's fault that the defenders were under such pressure, because they failed to halt fast ball movement through the corridoor on transition, and didn't fill passing lanes and gaps on the ground to effect an intercept mark?
Is it the defender's fault for throwing it on the boot so often moving out of defense and failing to hit midfield targets once they won possession back as a result?
Are the forwards to blame for not running hard enough on the transition to help out on defense, meaning their teammates were stretched trying to cover too many opposing players?

That whole game was a series of cascading and interrelated systemic failures all over the ground by our guys, compounded by a team-wide pandemic of appalling skill errors. Who do you point the finger at and say you didn't do enough to hold your spot?

The old game plan has been amended to address systemic problems we've been having around scoring... but the new plan has yet to be enacted and drilled sufficiently to make it effortless and instinctive to implelent. We're in a systemic no-man's land between the old game plans and the new ones.

Basically, we need to make as few changes as possible to personnell until we get our overall game plan functioning properly - or at least till it reaches the point of being competitive, and we've got a functional sense of player chemistry happening. Wholesale changes right now will only add more potential variables to a system that is allready too chaotic to function properly.

Leave the team basically the same until they have reached the point they can transition the ball from defense to midfield to attack with some small measure of consistency... THEN we can start to ask ourselves who isn't pulling their weight.

Bugger the idea of us scoring more - right now I'd settle for a system of moving the ball up the field that actually works more than once a quarter.

 

[ydraw]

Further to that Weller played permanent high half forward. We got 31 inside 50's for the whole game. 7.5 a quarter.
How many possessions are you expecting?
We had 4 tackles inside 50 today.

Who got those? Weller...every...single...one...

Yeah, I'm really not sure what the people bagging Weller, Tabs and Pav for their possession count expect. If the ball doesn't come down your end then there's not much you can do. Bulldogs had nearly double our possessions.

 

[ydraw]

Out:
Clarke- absolutely pathetic effort, but if he's 'injured' then he can have a rest

Not sure why the scare quotes are needed. He clearly injured himself in the first bounce.

 

[ydraw]

Out: Dawson, Clancee, Mzungu, Clarke(Inj)

In: Silvagni, A.Pearce, Deboer/Langdon, Sandilands


We need to move past Dawson IMO, the game is moving towards fast rebound and when the ball is in his hands it moves so slow, he also can't mark which destroys any quick turnover and rebound

Dawson took 8 marks today and was easily BOG. Your #1 key defender doesn't have to be a fast rebounder. He's there to defend.

 

[chinggis77]

Lyon's conservative approach to team selection, putting stability above young player development and making it almost impossible for young players to prove themselves (even if they get a chance, its as a bit player). He even goes with the best 22 team for almost all pre-season games.

The end result of this is a Lyon Best 22 that thinks they won't get dropped and so take their spot in the team for granted.

Lyon needs to realise this and needs to make some big calls on some big names in order to get everyone on edge and playing desperation footy again.

 

[DockerLand1]

I'm no Dawson fanboi but he was solid today. Boyd had no impact.

Anyone who knows anything about football would know that Dawson was one our best today.

 

[DockerLand1]

Out - Mayne, Mzungu, Clarke ( Inj ) , C.Pearce.
In - A.Pearce, Langdon, Sandilands, Smith ( Upgrade )

We quite simply seem to have lost our ability to kick quickly and accurately. We need to give the young kids time to develop and give them game time. Sheridan was our best yesterday in this area.
Our forward line is lacking in skill and aggression. Pearce and Smith need to be given time there and Chopper is unfortunately at the end as is the great Pav. We need replacements and we need them fast.
Anyone who can kick a bag needs time in the forward line and those with very good - elite disposal to be brought in.
The game is moving past players like Barlow, Mayne etc and we need to speed up or tumble down the ladder.
Evolve or die!


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[DudleyDocker]

Out - Mayne, Mzungu, Clarke ( Inj ) , C.Pearce.
In - A.Pearce, Langdon, Sandilands, Smith ( Upgrade )

We quite simply seem to have lost our ability to kick quickly and accurately. We need to give the young kids time to develop and give them game time. Sheridan was our best yesterday in this area.
Our forward line is lacking in skill and aggression. Pearce and Smith need to be given time there and Chopper is unfortunately at the end as is the great Pav. We need replacements and we need them fast.
Anyone who can kick a bag needs time in the forward line and those with very good - elite disposal to be brought in.
The game is moving past players like Barlow, Mayne etc and we need to speed up or tumble down the ladder.
Evolve or die!


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Smith? Tanner Smith? You have obviously never watched him play, he is so far from being AFL standard it is not funny.

I agree with your other changes, but honestly, Collins ir Silvagni would offer more at either end of the ground.

 

[aussieviking]

I am not expecting many changes as the whole team was soooooooo terrible. I t is hard to blame any one player.
Obviously Sandi will be back and I see no need for an extra ruck.Tabiner and Dawson will have to give him a rest here and there.I would give Tabiner another week but I am not overly excited by him.
Griffen was very poor as he was in pre season
If Pearce is fit enough he will come in as a forward.
Out Griffen Clarke(injured) Barlow or Clancy or Mzungu or Suban
In Sandi Pearce (If Fit) Silvani or Johnson De Boer may get a run

If our bad form continues then I would expectThey will start to blood new players.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Langdon's kicking in the last Peel game was apparently terrible from some of the reports. Id give Weller another chance, but geez some on here seem to not evaluate his play with any degree of impartial judgement. He was terrible today.

Terrible is a relative term sherrif. I was at the Peel game and I said his disposal was poor at times. No way was it worse than at least 6 of our guys out there yesterday.

Just saying.

 

[itsduffy]

I've been calling for Mayne's head for maybe a season and a half. He was once an absolute stand out but those days are gone. Hawthorn, West Coast, even Sydney would NOT accept what he's consistently shown since then. Why the heck are we so reluctant to drop our underperformers and blood the youngsters?

Mayne, C. Pearce, Z. Clarke, Griffin OUT
Smith, Crozier, A.Pearce/Collins, Sandilands IN

 

[DockerLand1]

Smith? Tanner Smith? You have obviously never watched him play, he is so far from being AFL standard it is not funny.

I agree with your other changes, but honestly, Collins ir Silvagni would offer more at either end of the ground.

No problems there, we need an aggressive tall , marking forward option. Collins would be fine. Silvagni staying back and A.Pearce moving to CHF/FF does not matter to me.
Mayne is cooked though and we need a big forward option.

 

[DockerLand1]

I've been calling for Mayne's head for maybe a season and a half. He was once an absolute stand out but those days are gone. Hawthorn, West Coast, even Sydney would NOT accept what he's consistently shown since then. Why the heck are we so reluctant to drop our underperformers and blood the youngsters?

Mayne, C. Pearce, Z. Clarke, Griffin OUT
Smith, Crozier, A.Pearce/Collins, Sandilands IN

Don't think Crozier is fit. Would love to have Yarran in as soon as he is fit.

 

[DudleyDocker]

No problems there, we need an aggressive tall , marking forward option. Collins would be fine. Silvagni staying back and A.Pearce moving to CHF/FF does not matter to me.
Mayne is cooked though and we need a big forward option.

Probably a bit early to call, but I think Collins and Uebergang both have the potential to play either end of the ground, and I like the look of both of them. Collins is much closer to AFL ready, but Ueber could become a very handy tall swingman in time.

 

[dockerfemme]

Smith? Tanner Smith? You have obviously never watched him play, he is so far from being AFL standard it is not funny.

I agree with your other changes, but honestly, Collins ir Silvagni would offer more at either end of the ground.

I do not get the Tanner hate. I watch a bit of training and his preseason before the 2015 season was quite impressive. His match in round 23 last year against Port was good. He kicked 4 goals for Peel on Saturday - how often does someone achieve that. He has his weaknesses for sure, but he has some strengths too.

 

[sherrif]

How does Barlow and Mayne continue to get games? both have performed poorly for the last 2 years.

Mayne is unreliable and can't kick straight while Barlow can't spread or kick at all. Both out of contract end of year and I hope we don't renew it. That's $800k free cap space right there.

Id be surprised if it was more than 500k in total.

Terrible is a relative term sherrif. I was at the Peel game and I said his disposal was poor at times. No way was it worse than at least 6 of our guys out there yesterday.

Just saying.

Iwasnt there. JMT said the same as you. Both good judges. I hope they pick him.

 

[meima]

I do not get the Tanner hate. I watch a bit of training and his preseason before the 2015 season was quite impressive. His match in round 23 last year against Port was good. He kicked 4 goals for Peel on Saturday - how often does someone achieve that. He has his weaknesses for sure, but he has some strengths too.

I rather play A.pearce forward than upgrade smith, save the upgrade for mora.