Preview Changes: R15 vs Hawthorn (Tues Sept 1, AO)

[hey shorty]

A defence of Talia, Hartigan, Kelly, Mackay and Brown?

Mark it down as a loss

If that's the case we'd have lost with Jordy playing too.

 

[BACCS]

I would say then it’s Talia for Butts, Crouch for Poholke and Hamill for Crocker? Did Nicks mention Hamill at all?

 

[Scorpus]

Well, it was the same names against Geelong except for Butts over Talia, and Geelong are a significantly better forward line. How could it be worse?

Hartigan, Brown and Mackay all had good games last week too.

It's a slow, lumbering defence with poor disposal and few attacking abilities.

Mackay and Hartigan won't repeat their season best games, you can pencil that in, especially with Talia replacing Hartigan's role.

It's the exact mix of players that has repeatedly failed. We need guys like Butts, Worrell, McPherson, Hamill in the mix. Returning to failed structures is not the path to success

 

[BACCS]

If that's the case we'd have lost with Jordy playing too.

If that defense can compete against Geelong it can definitely compete against the Hawks, it’s just a matter of mindset.

I imagine the Hawks will probably rest a couple after a 4 day break as well.

 

[hey shorty]

It's a slow, lumbering defence with poor disposal and few attacking abilities.

Mackay and Hartigan won't repeat their season best games, you can pencil that in, especially with Talia replacing Hartigan's role.

It's the exact mix of players that has repeatedly failed. We need guys like Butts, Worrell, McPherson, Hamill in the mix. Returning to failed structures is not the path to success

Yes of course we do, but it won't impact whether we win or lose tomorrow night. Hawthorn aren't that good.

 

[BACCS]

It's a slow, lumbering defence with poor disposal and few attacking abilities.

Mackay and Hartigan won't repeat their season best games, you can pencil that in, especially with Talia replacing Hartigan's role.

It's the exact mix of players that has repeatedly failed. We need guys like Butts, Worrell, McPherson, Hamill in the mix

Again, it’s barely different to last week and there is every indication Hamill will come back in this week, unless they’re wanting to be conservative with his concussion. McPherson was due back for the Giants game, Butts is injured.

It’s really Worrell that I would like to see for a couple of games this season, but his inclusion won’t be making a difference to our fortunes against the Hawks.

 

[Shaunbkk]

Well, it was the same names against Geelong except for Butts over Talia, and Geelong are a significantly better forward line. How could it be worse?

Hartigan, Brown and Mackay all had good games last week too.

Brown did not. Average at best. He has been well below standard this year.

 

[BACCS]

Brown did not. Average at best. He has been well below standard this year.

I thought he was fine but I agree has been fairly average this year. I assume he will get the Breust matchup.

 

[Scorpus]

Again, it’s barely different to last week and there is every indication Hamill will come back in this week, unless they’re wanting to be conservative with his concussion. McPherson was due back for the Giants game, Butts is injured.

It’s really Worrell that I would like to see for a couple of games this season, but his inclusion won’t be making a difference to our fortunes against the Hawks.

Having the same personnel is only part of the picture. We're also relying on Hartigan and Mackay to repeat season best games for it to work. How likely is that to happen?

 

[Scorpus]

Yes of course we do, but it won't impact whether we win or lose tomorrow night. Hawthorn aren't that good.

Hawthorn have averaged 40 inside 50s the last 3 weeks. We averaged 30.

If the game is being played in our back half, which it almost certainly will, that defence will see us struggle to score because we have so many guys that can't move the football. Only had 28 inside 50s last week

 

[DJ75]

I was pretty happy with what I heard from Nicks, right up until the end. Then it went pear shaped.

Nicks has basically confirmed that our midfield is going to be M Crouch, B Crouch, Sloane and Laird. FFS. Have we learnt nothing?

If this is the midfield getting most of the minutes, I sincerely hope we don't win a game this year. At some stage the penny has to drop that this group is not the midfield we need.
The worst thing that can happen is we roll out that midfield, get a win, celebrate it and think it's the way of the future. Then we start 2021, roll out the same group and it takes us a good 7 weeks before we realise it might not work. Meanwhile we will have wasted another batch of games and development for the kids.

It is staggering how dumb we are.

 

[Scorpus]

I was pretty happy with what I heard from Nicks, right up until the end. Then it went pear shaped.

Nicks has basically confirmed that our midfield is going to be M Crouch, B Crouch, Sloane and Laird. FFS. Have we learnt nothing?

If this is the midfield getting most of the minutes, I sincerely hope we don't win a game this year. At some stage the penny has to drop that this group is not the midfield we need.
The worst thing that can happen is we roll out that midfield, get a win, celebrate it and think it's the way of the future. Then we start 2021, roll out the same group and it takes us a good 7 weeks before we realise it might not work. Meanwhile we will have wasted another batch of games and development for the kids.

It is staggering how dumb we are.

Crouch brothers in the same midfield?

Mark it down as a loss

(Sounds like we're losing this one at selection)

 

[Bearded Clam]

I was pretty happy with what I heard from Nicks, right up until the end. Then it went pear shaped.

Nicks has basically confirmed that our midfield is going to be M Crouch, B Crouch, Sloane and Laird. FFS. Have we learnt nothing?

If this is the midfield getting most of the minutes, I sincerely hope we don't win a game this year. At some stage the penny has to drop that this group is not the midfield we need.
The worst thing that can happen is we roll out that midfield, get a win, celebrate it and think it's the way of the future. Then we start 2021, roll out the same group and it takes us a good 7 weeks before we realise it might not work. Meanwhile we will have wasted another batch of games and development for the kids.

It is staggering how dumb we are.

Oh... dont worry now, at any moment its all going to click and the 2017 form is gonna come flooding back and we’ll be in contention for the premiership again with the likes of mookay, sloane, tex, kelly, talia, crouch’s etc still there!..

you may laugh but I now honestly believe that this is what half the morons running the club actually believe.. that we have just had a run of poor luck since 2017 and it will all turn around very soon..

It all reminds me of that Simpsons episode where lisa makes the BBQ pig go flying and Homer and Bart chase after it going “its ok, its just a little bit airborne, its ok, its just a little bit wet etc etc”..

The delusion runs deep at the club.

 

[hey shorty]

Hawthorn have averaged 40 inside 50s the last 3 weeks. We averaged 30.

If the game is being played in our back half, which it almost certainly will, that defence will see us struggle to score because we have so many guys that can't move the football. Only had 28 inside 50s last week

Again, look at the respective midfields both teams played against last week.

If we only have 28 i50s there's barely a defence in the league that will hold up.

 

[Scorpus]

Again, look at the respective midfields both teams played against last week.

If we only have 28 i50s there's barely a defence in the league that will hold up.

Hawthorn had 39 i50s against Port and 47 against West Coast within their last 3 matches

We had 28 against Geelong. Only managed 36 against the star studded midfield of North Melbourne a few weeks back.

The only time we've looked good this season is when we've been able to generate quick movement out of defence. The side we are set to select won't allow that to happen

 

[hey shorty]

Hawthorn had 39 i50s against Port and 47 against West Coast within their last 3 matches

We had 28 against Geelong. Only managed 36 against the star studded midfield of North Melbourne a few weeks back.

The only time we've looked good this season is when we've been able to generate quick movement out of defence. The side we are set to select won't allow that to happen

It is essentially the same as last week, Butts for Talia makes it better.

I'm not disagreeing with you on Kelly nor the fact we need legspeed and ball use down there, but it'll have no bearing on tomorrow's result.

If we win the midfield battle we should win the game.

 

[Scorpus]

It is essentially the same as last week, Butts for Talia makes it better.

It's the same players, but it won't be the same performance unless Hartigan and Mackay back up season best games (they won't)

 

[hey shorty]

It's the same players, but it won't be the same performance unless Hartigan and Mackay back up season best games (they won't)

Talia will be better than Butts was, so it negates that somewhat. Plus Hawthorns forwardline is much less talented than Geelongs.

We are also playing against a MUCH weaker defence.

 

[Scorpus]

Talia will be better than Butts was, so it negates that somewhat. Plus Hawthorns forwardline is much less talented than Geelongs.

We are also playing against a MUCH weaker defence.

Talia will be better than Hartigan, but will Hartigan be better than Butts?

Not sure.

I'd say Talia will be as good as Hartigan was last week, but Hartigan will be back to his usual (so worse than Butts)

 

[Mutineer]

Talia will be better than Butts was, so it negates that somewhat. Plus Hawthorns forwardline is much less talented than Geelongs.

We are also playing against a MUCH weaker defence.

Keays to Mitchell...

 

[hey shorty]

Keays to Mitchell...

Worpel ??

 

[Dewy006]

If we line up at the first Centre Bounce tomorrow with Crouch, Crouch and Sloane, my beer is going through the TV set.

 

[Mutineer]

Worpel ??

Nah, Mitchell

 

[hey shorty]

Nah, Mitchell

Wouldn't bother, Worpel has been more damaging

 

[Mutineer]

Wouldn't bother, Worpel has been more damaging

Not at the coalface he hasn't, clearances is where the game will be won or lost.