Changes RD 5 Vs Melbourne

[WhiteLionFeva]

If you were to drop players on that perfomance, most of the team would be sitting it out this week. Showed nothing form the very first bounce, except some misplaced aggression at the man.
For me, the most glaring aspect of this is that when we are put under pressure our game plan, which looks pretty flash otherwise and relies on run, overlap and handball, goes out the window. When we did get a forward entry it was all hit and hope which frankly better forwards than Martin would have difficulty coping with. Bad week ahead for all. Lose next week and I suspect heads will roll.

 

[Dylan12]

That hasn't been Vossy's move in the past, just excuses, he seems to tolerate a level of mediocrity from some players and none from others. We have often had the wrong players dropped for poor prerformance in the past, who have been more scape goats than any thing else, while often the main culprits remain in the team continuing their under performing ways.

Pretty hard to disagree with any of that and has been the case for 5 years.

 

[Dylan12]

Hanley may also be in strife for a behind the play incident that may or may not have appeared on the TV. In the passage that saw Paparone have the ball taken from him when lining up for a shot, Hanley appeared to make high contact with a Nth Melbourne player after the ball had headed into their forward line. The North player stayed down for a while and when he got up he wasn't that happy.

I was looking directly at Hanley when it occurred. It looked like a cheap shot to the solar plexus of Thomas who was down for a good 30 seconds until he was assisted by trainers. However, considering what a fine actor Thomas is, I can't be sure how much he staged when he went down.

 

[POBT]

I'm not fully convinced Black should play this week. The phrases coming out of his mouth after the Ressies on Sunday indicate he was sending the message to Voss that he doesn't think he's ready yet. He's also said it's the longest he's ever not played for in his entire career (including off season months obviously).

2nd week back is often harder too.

The only thing that I would say to counter that is that the Reggies have to go to Mackay this week. So we have 3 choices: send him up there, have him miss a week of footy, or play him in Brisbane.

 

[Jorgo]

The only thing that I would say to counter that is that the Reggies have to go to Mackay this week.

Yup and I mentioned that in my post

So we have 3 choices: send him up there, have him miss a week of footy, or play him in Brisbane.

Terrible timing for him to be coming back with those options. I think the club will go with playing him against Melbourne to be honest. But if I sit here thinking about which one I would pick... boy it's a toughie... I think I'd send him to Mackay. Having him miss a week isn't an option & I think he needs another run before hitting the Seniors. Far from ideal with the 5 day break to the next Ressies game for him obviously

 

[Eons]

I'd like to see Clarke in over McKeever, thought he showed something in the preseason, even if he is still a bit young and undersized as yet.

Same. Replace an athlete with an ACTUAL footballer. Never been a fan of McKeever.

 

[spotthedog1]

Terrible timing for him to be coming back with those options. I think the club will go with playing him against Melbourne to be honest. But if I sit here thinking about which one I would pick... boy it's a toughie... I think I'd send him to Mackay. Having him miss a week isn't an option & I think he needs another run before hitting the Seniors. Far from ideal with the 5 day break to the next Ressies game for him obviously

Absolutely shocking timing for Blackie. I reckon he's not going to be ready for a game in the 1s, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a green vest. At his natural fitness level, you'd think he'd be able to run out a quarter to a half at AFL level.

 

[GoTheLions]

It was painful watching North Melbourne play us the same way the Bulldogs played us. It is like groundhog day down here in Melbourne, I am not going to the Essendon game, God help us.....

We need to make some changes, I can't see any benefit coming from dropping either Redden or Brown, especially against Melbourne, and it is probably a good time to give some of those other fringe players a crack, and drop a few of the ones in the team and also the out of form players too.

Out: Martin, Adcock, McGrath, McKeever
In: Lisle, Yeo, Crisp/Lester, Karnezis

I thought Martin had potential, but Lisle is at least a chance to mark it if it is bombed onto his head unlike Martin.
Adcock is either injured or something (expectation getting to his head?), not playing well, making poor decisions, no chase. Yeo much more composed, need to get more games into him, he will surpass Adcock quite quickly, sadly.
McGrath most likely out injured, bring in Crisp or Lester, whoever is the fastest
We need more spread and run, Karnezis needs to come in, probably at the expense of McKeever who played ok

That's a very young side, but if we are going to move forward we need to play these guys against teams like Melbourne who are also very young.

Sadly I think Voss will play Martin against his old side hoping he fires up, which he may very well do...

 

[GoTheLions]

Oh and I see why Melbourne got rid of Moloney, but we do need someone like him in the middle right now. He gets the ball ok out of the middle and thats great, but then it is generally a high kick into the forward line, which in most instances goes back to the other end quite quickly. Any one have thought on how him being in our midfield may have impacted on the others? How will he and Blacky work together?

 

[Ironmonger]

Oh and I see why Melbourne got rid of Moloney, but we do need someone like him in the middle right now. He gets the ball ok out of the middle and thats great, but then it is generally a high kick into the forward line, which in most instances goes back to the other end quite quickly. Any one have thought on how him being in our midfield may have impacted on the others? How will he and Blacky work together?

Still seems like Moloney and Leuey are out of synch, for whatever reason.

I don't think the centre clearances are our biggest problem right now. Mostly it's turning the ball over by foot too regularly, and making it too easy for the opposition to move the ball around the ground.

Our current problems won't be solved at the selection table, anyway.

 

[wantok]

After years of support I am seriously doubting the ability of Vossy to coach. We just don’t have a Plan B and Plan A is a bit of a mystery to me as well. When North got on that early roll it was time to batten down the hatches and go man on man. We just needed to weather the storm and slow the game down. 5 minutes was enough to see what was happening. We did nothing.The two prime roles of the Senior coach are Strategy (including team structure)and Motivation. We seem to be failing miserably on both counts. I hope Vossy looks at himself and asks the serious question about his level of impact. We don’t have the cattle to be a Top 4 team but we do have the guys to be at least competitive with teams like North.

The other area of concern is Jed Adcock’s lack of on field leadership. It is glaringly obvious that Merrett (can't say the boy doesn't have a go)or Rockliff should have got the nod. You would have to seriously consider dropping Adcock from the team altogether.

Anyway there were some positives, Paparone looked good, Mayes continued on and Docherty showed some poise. Zorko ran himself into some form as well.

We will make some changes for Melbourne. Some probably forced because of the injury to McGrath and Redden’s possible holiday. Crisp could get a start as should Karnezis. I think it is time to blood Clarke. Martin can go to the reserves for an extended stay after his woeful efforts. Lisle will come on for him. Harwood had no impact. He just lacks that little bit of pace at the top level.

I am thinking:



Adcock Clarke Patfull


Golby Merrett Docherty


Hanley Rich Mayes


Pappy Lisle Zorko


Bewick Brown Green


Leuie, Moloney, Rockliff


Raines,Karnezis,Longer,Crisp (sub)


In ..Lisle,Clarke,Longer,Crisp,Karnezis Out… Martin,Mcgrath,Redden,Harwood,Mckeever


Emergencies Yeo ,Polkinghorne,Harwood


I have gone with more talls for some structure to the spine.Longer will provide relief for Leuie. You have to have the big blokes presenting around to provide the crumbing and swooping opportunities for the flankers. With this type of team we will need to hold our forward structure and not get sucked up the ground too much. At least 3 of our forwards need to stay our side of half way with Browny staying deeper with Green running back for the crumbs. It goes without saying that our midfield needs to step up and work harder. If they can I am confident that this forward line will prove a nightmare for Melbourne.

 

[Grimreepah]

Would love to see Longer come in for Martin. Leuenberger is very good at getting hit outs, but he has to take some of the blame for our dysfunctional midfield over the years. Longer seems better at being able to synchronise with the rovers, he just can't do it for long periods at senior level yet. It would be a good to have these two contrasting ruckmen to give Voss some options, especially when things aren't going our way.

 

[greendiesel]

The other area of concern is Jed Adcock’s lack of on field leadership. It is glaringly obvious that Merrett (can't say the boy doesn't have a go)or Rockliff should have got the nod. .

I love Rog, but when I saw him rip absolute shit out of Paparone for not giving him a cheap short pass I was not impressed at all. Yes, frustration and all that, but it was pathetic to a first gamer, and unjustified.

 

[greendiesel]

Non-footballers OUT.
Footballers IN.

Every aerial contest Martin ran under the flight of the ball. This usually signifies the end of a career when it starts. OUT
McKeever, as I mentioned 2 weeks ago when he played reserves, cannot be considered ahead of Lisle in the forward line. I'd prefer Clarke ahead of him in the backline also. He is not up to AFL standard yet. We were 2 players down with these guys in the team. OUT

Clarke IN
Lisle IN

 

[counterparts24]

I still don't understand how Martin has been ahead of Lisle this entire time?

 

[dlanod]

I still don't understand how Martin has been ahead of Lisle this entire time?

Martin can ruck.

Lisle can do a good impersonation of a statue.

 

[GoTheLions]

I still don't understand how Martin has been ahead of Lisle this entire time?

I agree, but think the issue is playing both Lisle and Brown together means we don't have a lot of defensive pressure. But if you flip the coin not playing both, means we lack presence in the forward line. I have not really seen Martin put in much effort defensively, have actually seen Cornelius chase people further up the ground and apply better pressure, but if Martin is faster, I am not sure why we aren't seeing him catch and tackle more defenders. As TomFC mentioned in another thread, and a few of us agreed on, if Goose was fit, (or even Staker was back to his best), you could throw Merrett up forward to provide a foil to Brown and that would be someone the defenders can' t afford to drop off. Paparone would then make a perfect third tall, as he can run and chase all day and hopefully pop up with a few goals too.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I don't even care who is picked. Just find some form, stick your tackles go in hard for the ball. Stop playing from behind, be committed to the cause and be ferocious. Just win FFS.

 

[Eons]

A statement needs to be made at the selection table this week. Sure there's a few players in the reserves that are trying their guts out that would show a lot more effort than some of our players. They may not be better than the players whose spots they take (based on potential) but potential and your name means jack shit at this stage, it's ALL about effort.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Hanley gone for a week for striking Thomas. That diving little flog. Probably take the week given his injury concerns.

 

[kylegee28]

B: Adcock - Merrett - Golby
HB: Docherty - Mckeever - Patfull
C: Mayes - Moloney - Karnezis
HF: Bewick - Lisle - Paperone
F: Green - Brown - Rockliff
R: Leuenberger - Redden - Zorko
I/C: Raines - Polkinghorne - Rich - Harwood

Ins: Karnezis - Polkinghorne - Lisle
Outs: Hanley (inj) - Mcgrath (inj) - Martin (omitted)

Move Patfull to the third-tall role he plays so well and give Mckeever a shot at centre half back until Goose is fit.

 

[Dylan12]

Every aerial contest Martin ran under the flight of the ball. This usually signifies the end of a career when it starts.

Martin either did that or drew his opponent and himself straight into Brown's marking contest or path that he was leading. I lost count the amount of times Brown and Martin competed for the same ball. If he had any footy smarts he would be leaving space for Brown to move and/or creating separation from Brown as guys like Bradshaw and Fevola did (albeit different types of players). Martin is just not the answer if we are ever to become a finals side. Yes, he competes well and the like, but he is a liability in our forward line.

 

[Paulborracho]

Redden is ok to play with an early plea with reprimand.
Hanley, although probably injured can accept one week for striking.

 

[sonofabeams]

Is there any truth to the martin was guarnteed senior games when he came to brisbane or is that just hear say.
I mentioned it in one of the other threads but what about playing greeny in the middle and giving toddy b a run in the foward 50.

 

[sonofabeams]

OUT: Lack of discipline, ball watching
IN: Composure, attack on the football,