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[alex_is_on_fire]

We saw the downside of youth tonight, with our young small defenders being carved up by Carlton's small forwards. Kerridge was given a masterclass by Judd. The absence of VB really hurt.

Do we win today with VB in the side instead of Kerridge?

I doubt it but I reckon Kerridge would have learn more today playing against Gibbs (first half) and then Gibbs in the second half than he would have by gaining 30 touches at Unley in the SANFL.

Players don't get better because they have talent, they get better by gaining experiences and learning how to use that talent against better players.

Playing SANFL only allowed good young players to pick up bad habits by not increasing their experiences.

I'd rather play the good, young promising kids this year and lose by 150 points (they wont lose by tat much but thats just to humour you) knowing they will gain valuable experiences for next year than continue to play some senior players and finish just short of finals or in 7th or 8th spot and this year will amount to nothing.

We are not going to get high draft picks, nor are we going to win the flag, so lets get something out if thus year by blooding so e kids who deserve it.

 

[Elite Crow]

to me, Tambling much come in of Mackay is out.

the guy has over 100 games of experience and clearly deserves a shot

Has Tambling done anything over the last month?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

You manage their entry into the game, taking advantage of the inevitable injuries (eg LJ replacing Tex next week). Knee jerk reactions such as what you're suggesting are the first step on the highway to mega-failure.

As opposed to the last 6 or 7 or even 8 years bar 1 you mean?

Yeh, that's worked well for us.

 

[Mego Red]

out: Tex, Brown, Petrenko, Jacobs, Mackay

in: McKernan, Johnson, Lyons, Porplyzia, Johncock/Grigg

 

[Elite Crow]

If we played two more youngsters next week we wouldn't lose by 150 points unless the senior players were shit. That line is just a cop out by supporters who love senior players no matter how poorly they are playing. I call it it old-toyitis or senile-think

 

[RePete]

Playing inexperience against Hawks; arguably the most inform team in the competition, borderline peaking currently would be a TERRIBLE idea. A game like this we should throw stiffy and Porps back in to help up forward with Walker missing. Wouldn't mind giving Smack his 1 game for the year as well (to help in ruck). Lyons would probably be the only inexperienced player I would consider bringing in.

Still wouldn't dream of taking out Jacobs or Pets.

 

[Cap]

Has Tambling done anything over the last month?

his job.

which is really all we can ask for.

 

[Cap]

If we played two more youngsters next week we wouldn't lose by 150 points unless the senior players were shit. That line is just a cop out by supporters who love senior players no matter how poorly they are playing. I call it it old-toyitis or senile-think

it is a strange mentality to have, largely because it is the complete opposite of the play youth at all cost mentality.

just because they are young and inexperienced, the doesn't mean they'll lose... Think Adelaide home final against Collingwood in '09?

 

[Vader]

Do we win today with VB in the side instead of Kerridge?

VB kerbs the influence of Judd in the first quarter and we're still in the game, instead of 5 goals down at quarter time. Stranger things have happened. I'm not saying that we would have won, but I have no doubt that many things would have changed.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to make Kerridge a scapegoat. He's a young kid with only a few games under his belt and expecting him to beat Judd was never going to happen. Judd is one of the greatest players of the last 15 years and Kerridge was never going to contain him. That's no slur on Kerridge, it's just a fact of life. I'm sure he did everything he could - and the coaches would no doubt be happy with what he was able to achieve. VB would have almost certainly achieved more.

I doubt it but I reckon Kerridge would have learn more today playing against Gibbs (first half) and then Gibbs in the second half than he would have by gaining 30 touches at Unley in the SANFL.

Players don't get better because they have talent, they get better by gaining experiences and learning how to use that talent against better players.

Playing SANFL only allowed good young players to pick up bad habits by not increasing their experiences.

I have no doubt that Kerridge will have benefited and learned from today's events. If that's a positive we can take out of today's game then so be it.

I'd rather play the good, young promising kids this year and lose by 150 points (they wont lose by tat much but thats just to humour you) knowing they will gain valuable experiences for next year than continue to play some senior players and finish just short of finals or in 7th or 8th spot and this year will amount to nothing.

We are not going to get high draft picks, nor are we going to win the flag, so lets get something out if thus year by blooding so e kids who deserve it.

Sorry, but this is crap. Kids learn nothing from being flogged by 150 points week in week out. That's a weak and pathetic attitude that only clubs like Melbourne adopt. Maybe you should follow them, if that's the kind of player development you'd like to see? I'm sure the likes of Watts & Trengove would support your ideas about their development as players in such an environment.

Kids learn infinitely more from playing in a competitive environment, where failure is not tolerated and where they have senior players around them who are able to pass on their own knowlege, so that the kids are learning not just from their coaches.

 

[Cap]

I know this might be slightly heretical.. but has anyone considered that Adelaide's team tonight had an average age of 24yrs 1mth and 68.9 games, compared to Carlton's 25yr 9mth and 99.2 games. Making our team younger and less experienced is unlikely to make our team improve.

For the record, of the 10 teams to have played so far this weekend, only GC & GWS fielded younger teams (Richmond's was 2mths older than Adelaide's).

so picking the players who aren't in form and under performing is?

It is a bloody strange attitude to have Vader, It makes me think you might be an Australian Cricket selector.

 

[Cap]

On paper or on the ground. That said, it depends who he replaces. Replacing Mackay or Reilly is silly. Petrenko on the other hand gave us nothing tonight - and anything Lyons gives us has to be better than that.

and how do we know that without playing him? his form suggests he is playing well, the fact that he is on an AFL list, suggests that he is capable of playing in an AFL team.

simply playing a younger and less experienced team does not mean we will lose by 150 points.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What's the story with Brown? I didn't see him go off.

What I'd do assuming Brown is free to play:-

Out - Walker, Mackay
In - Johnston, Lyons

Otten to play CHF looked a natural up there, he even kicks like Tippett so that's a thing, Lynch to play 3rd tall in defence, and Johnston to play deep forward.

Mackay goes out just because I'm sick of him being average and anonymous. Reilly fast running out of chances skills, decision making and composure under pressure are disgraceful. Jaensch to stay forward.

None of those omisions will happen ....so why don't you post what you think will happen NOT what you wish would happen

 

[Elite Crow]

Playing inexperience against Hawks; arguably the most inform team in the competition, borderline peaking currently would be a TERRIBLE idea. A game like this we should throw stiffy and Porps back in to help up forward with Walker missing. Wouldn't mind giving Smack his 1 game for the year as well (to help in ruck). Lyons would probably be the only inexperienced player I would consider bringing in.

Still wouldn't dream of taking out Jacobs or Pets.

Firstly, Lyons instead of DMack. What exactly have we lost?
Secondly, wouldnt dreaming of taking out Pets? Why not? He has been shit, he offers our forward line nothing except for 1-2 defensive highlights. Jaensch in under a half of football showed what a small forwward should be doing.

 

[Vader]

As opposed to the last 6 or 7 or even 8 years bar 1 you mean?

Yeh, that's worked well for us.

You do realise we had 11 players with < 50 games playing tonight, including 5 with less than 20 games? It's not as if the youngsters aren't being given opportunities. What you're suggesting is akin to turning Adelaide into Melbourne. No thanks.

 

[JP Sauce]

Kids learn infinitely more from playing in a competitive environment, where failure is not tolerated and where they have senior players around them who are able to pass on their own knowlege, so that the kids are learning not just from their coaches.

A competitive environment would be great, but that's not what we saw tonight.

I'm not sure that I want Vince or Reilly passing on any of their football "knowledge" to our younger players. Actually I think the less our youngsters listen to those two the better.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Changes i would make right off the bat (assuming fitness):

Out: Mackay, Jacobs, Wright, Jenkins, Tex (inj), Brown (Inj), Petrenko.
In: Lyons, Johnston, Graham, Mckernan, Callinan, Johncock.

SURELY.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We lost this game first and foremost in the middle, so what can we do to fix that? Can we afford to persevere with Jacobs in his current form?

LJ for Tex is obvious. The biggest problem I have is that I can't see any players outside the team who would make it stronger.

We saw the downside of youth tonight, with our young small defenders being carved up by Carlton's small forwards. Kerridge was given a masterclass by Judd. The absence of VB really hurt us.

Lyons continues to demand selection, but who drops out and why? I see his selection as reward for good form, but not materially improving the team.

Absolutely correct midfield is the main problem ......Gameplan is just as bigger problem as well

The midfield is slow ....Thompson has lost his pace (not that he ever was quick) .....adding Lyons is simply changing deck chairs IMO
It seems to me the time is right to inject Smiths pace & long kicking into the midfield

I'll be surprised if McKernan is not preferred to LJ .......not convinced LJ is a KPP and the replacement for Walker has to be a KPP ...plus it adds another ruck option, which by god we need AP

 

[Elite Crow]

it is a strange mentality to have, largely because it is the complete opposite of the play youth at all cost mentality.

just because they are young and inexperienced, the doesn't mean they'll lose... Think Adelaide home final against Collingwood in '09?

I reckon we should bring back Doughty, Stevens, Bassett, Smart, James and Clark. They are experienced and playing as well as some of our senior players, what have we lost?

 

[RGDW]

We started poorly, and although we showed some heart in the last quarter, we really don't play guys who have some form.

In:
Lyons, Grigg, Smack/LJ and Martin

Out:
Tex, Henderson, Kerridge and Mackay

Team:
FB: Lynch Rutten Brown
HB: Reilly Talia Smith
C: Vince Thompson Martin
HF: Douglas Otten Laird
FF: Petrenko Jenkins Smack/LJ
R: Jacobs Danger Sloane
IC: Lyons Grigg Jaensch
Sub: Wright

I can't see the experiment of Pets playing in the forward line changing (or seeing him dropped). Laird and Pets can apply a lot of pressure, and at least is our best option to keep the ball in our forward 50. I'd play Laid and Pets as a defensive forwards on Birchall and Hodge, as the Hawks are probably the best team to transition out of their defense. If Junior boy is ripping us a new one, then put Laird in the back (i'd play Brown on him initially), and put Jaensch on the HFF (yes he has almost zero ability to pressure the opposition, but at least he has some spark about him at times, and might kick some goals).

Lyons and Grigg can rotate and do the job Kerriege was doing, but, I'd rather see Sloane go head to head with Mitchell.

Play Otten as CHF, as he has the smarts to see what's in front of him and can take a mark. We'll rotate and plug Jenkins and Smack/LJ in the goal square, and hope they can hang on to some marks and kick some goals.

Just hope we show 4 quarters of heart against the Hawks.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Sorry, but this is crap. Kids learn nothing from being flogged by 150 points week in week out. That's a weak and pathetic attitude that only clubs like Melbourne adopt. Maybe you should follow them, if that's the kind of player development you'd like to see? I'm sure the likes of Watts & Trengove would support your ideas about their development as players in such an environment.

Kids learn infinitely more from playing in a competitive environment, where failure is not tolerated and where they have senior players around them who are able to pass on their own knowlege, so that the kids are learning not just from their coaches.

Losing by 150 points is only going to happen in your own imagination and only allows you to justify nit selecting them.

No one is saying we drop Scott Thompson or Patrick Dangerfield for Jarred Lyons, so please get that into your thick head. The general feeling is, the under performing senior payers (Vince, stuffy, Porps) deserve to be dropped and the youthful enthusiasm would compensate for their lack of experience.

Continuing to pick the under performing senior payers isn't helping develop the younger payers, it's only demonstrating how far away we really are from bring a comparative unit.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I know cool is your middle name but when do you start to worry about our season going down the toilet? We've lost our best forward, we are being smashed in the middle and contested ball, our one and only ruckman is getting his arsed kicked and our only two wins have come against shit sides. If we had Carlton's draw we would be 0-5.

But our PS NAB cup form was just an aberration ......and we would turn in on when the season got serious

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's the wrong question, it should read who wants Jaenschy to play as a defender or forward?

Natural forward ....no brainer

 

[Vader]

so picking the players who aren't in form and under performing is?

It is a bloody strange attitude to have Vader, It makes me think you might be an Australian Cricket selector.

I didn't draw too many (if any) conclusions. I just pointed out something which is statistically significant. I can't help but wonder if an older and more experienced Adelaide team might have done better.

Looking at our total disposals today, there's a strong correlation between games played and disposals earned.

At the top of the tree we have Thompson, Douglas, Vince, Dangerfield and Reilly - all of whom have 90+ games under their belt. At the other end of the table we have Kerridge (3 disposals), followed by the injured pair (Walker & Brown), followed by Jacobs, Henderson, Petrenko and Talia. Laird & Lynch, with 17 & 16 disposals both managed to buck the trend.

Depends on what the priorities are right now. If it's player development, or maximising our chances of winning. The two are not in direct conflict, but they're not necessarily the same thing either.

 

[spenze]

Has Tambling done anything over the last month?

Gave up 7 goals to a clearly out of form Johncock

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Firstly, Lyons instead of DMack. What exactly have we lost?
Secondly, wouldnt dreaming of taking out Pets? Why not? He has been shit, he offers our forward line nothing except for 1-2 defensive highlights. Jaensch in under a half of football showed what a small forwward should be doing.

EC we're a slow football team .....we can't keep taking more pace out of the side

We have to add pace !