Prediction Changes vs Brisbane

[Balony_pony16]

any chance Milera gets a game? Love watching that kid play and he will carve the Lions up

 

[azza77]

Out sauce, Mackay
In: Menzel & Rob

Mackay wasn't bad on the weekend, but will he stand up? Don't think so tim

Menz is a guy who makes things happen, and in finals where moments happen you need inspiration

He doesn't have to be involved all the time, he has to take his moments.

We've seen him do just that for Carlton. Playing a safe plodder over him will not serve us well when we're in the trenches looking for a moment or a play to break things open

Exactly what I've been trying to say all year, but so many on here seem way too obsessed with the SANFL stats sheet.

Well put.

 

[Murray2503]

Dr Carl says Walker to miss one more

Jacobs out, O'Brien in

Otherwise unchanged

Got a feeling that wigg will get a game as they pulled him out of the sanfl last week. Feel he will come in for thommo most likely or they may go with CEY for the bigger body in close. ROB for jacobs is a no brainer and feel tex will sit out another and be back for freo or the showdown. Think hampton may be in team within 3 weeks if he improves his fitness.

 

[King Elvis]

I can only hope the stupidity of Wigg missing a game prior to then having a bye when he is burning up the SANFL wasn't actually the case and he's been earmarked for a debut this week.

Don't bet on it.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Its hard to press your case without playing sanfl unless your david mackay... Terrible management of wigg.

Mackay just really impressed at training. Training form is the most important form at the Adelaide Football Club, has been for over a decade.

 

[Red mist]

Mackay just really impressed at training. Training form is the most important form at the Adelaide Football Club, has been for over a decade.

David is our Mister everywhere. He's down back, in the middle and forward. Nobody runs around as much ineffectually. Actually I digress, I did see him take a ball on the wing at full pace in the second but the resulting disposal was naff. Eventually tightness in match ups and physicality will overweigh his light foot. When that is will be a relief in many including myself. His replacement should also receive the same amount of critical analysis.
As far as his preparation and training is concerned, he's probably one of the best.
I'm not defending him. It's just probably how it is.

 

[huludicidal]

Revised prediction

In:
Walker, O'Brien

Out:
Jacobs, Mackay


Thommo rested the following week for the Perth trip (replaced by CEY). Wigg gets shafted unless an injury pops up to one of Laird, Brown, Smith, Atkins, Douglas or any of the other mids not named Thompson.

 

[marty36]

Revised prediction

In:
Walker, O'Brien

Out:
Jacobs, Mackay


Thommo rested the following week for the Perth trip (replaced by CEY). Wigg gets shafted unless an injury pops up to one of Laird, Brown, Smith, Atkins, Douglas or any of the other mids not named Thompson.

You would have to happy with the coaching team this year and absolutely pleased with the results wouldn't you?

 

[Tex200]

any chance Milera gets a game? Love watching that kid play and he will carve the Lions up

No, won't play unfortunately. Been given a decent taste this year but he will be locked away now for next year, unless there are a few injuries.

 

[Geoffa32]

Starting to sound like O'Brien is playing.

Is Stefan Martin a chance at playing? Would love to see how he goes against one if the better Rucks in the comp.



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[Paladin]

Congratulations on completely missing the point. I didn't say a damn thing about CEY, and my post has nothing to to with any like or dislike for CEY (or Lyons).

My point was about the way the selectors seem to be operating this year. SANFL performances seem to mean almost nothing whatsoever - CEY can play out of his skin and won't make the emergency list; Mackay is dropped, doesn't play a game, and goes straight back into the senior team. Pyke seems fixated on using just 25 players (noting that VB & Knight are out of the equation for the rest of the season). There does not seem to be any intent to use any other players, and no incentive/reward for players performing in the SANFL.

CEY has been emergency 10 times. He will play this week. Thommo will rest.

 

[Vader]

Its hard to press your case without playing sanfl unless your david mackay... Terrible management of wigg.

It's really not, when you consider that the selectors basically don't care about SANFL performances much. Performances at training are given a much higher weighting, and this has always been the case. I assume it's because they're achieved against higher quality players.

** This is not a Mackay or Wigg thing. It's been going on for years.

 

[Vader]

CEY has been emergency 10 times. He will play this week. Thommo will rest.

Wasn't last week, and the coaches/selectors were at pains to say that Wigg & ROB were very close. CEY, not so much.

My money is on 2 changes:
OUT: Jacobs (ankle), Thompson (rested)
IN: ROB, Wigg

CEY will probably be named on the emergency list.

 

[jenny61_99]

Alright time to ignore WW, must be related to dmac he's a moron.

Dude, play the ball, not the man.

 

[knobby]

Out: Jacobs (cankles) Atkins (rested) Mackay (omitted)
In: O'Brien, Walker (fill your boots son), Wigg or Milera

 

[headache1]

Out sauce, Mackay
In: Menzel & Rob

Mackay wasn't bad on the weekend, but will he stand up? Don't think so tim

Menz is a guy who makes things happen, and in finals where moments happen you need inspiration

He doesn't have to be involved all the time, he has to take his moments.

We've seen him do just that for Carlton. Playing a safe plodder over him will not serve us well when we're in the trenches looking for a moment or a play to break things open

But we need the cool head that experience provides David Mackay so he can calmly **** up regulation passages of play and then point to where his now out of position team mates should be running to.

 

[Elite Crow]

Wasn't last week, and the coaches/selectors were at pains to say that Wigg & ROB were very close. CEY, not so much.

My money is on 2 changes:
OUT: Jacobs (ankle), Thompson (rested)
IN: ROB, Wigg

CEY will probably be named on the emergency list.

No Tex?

 

[rezagun]

It's really not, when you consider that the selectors basically don't care about SANFL performances much. Performances at training are given a much higher weighting, and this has always been the case. I assume it's because they're achieved against higher quality players.

** This is not a Mackay or Wigg thing. It's been going on for years.

So aslong as menzel trains hard hes in the team? Sanfl form has a big part in who makes the 22. The reality is the selectors seem to overrate certain players. If you dont perform at sanfl level you dont get anywhere near the best 22. The reason cey cant get into the lineup is because the other inside mids have been playing well. Please vader spare me your bullshit.

 

[jackster83]

It's really not, when you consider that the selectors basically don't care about SANFL performances much. Performances at training are given a much higher weighting, and this has always been the case. I assume it's because they're achieved against higher quality players.

** This is not a Mackay or Wigg thing. It's been going on for years.

In that case, why even have an sanfl side?

Seems an awful lot of money to spend on something we care little about.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

In that case, why even have an sanfl side?

Seems an awful lot of money to spend on something we care little about.

Helps keep the players fit ready for their main hit out at training.

 

[jenny61_99]

In that case, why even have an sanfl side?

Seems an awful lot of money to spend on something we care little about.

The importance of having a SANFL team is that the whole squad gets to train together, and you would think the game plan would be very similar - thus giving us depth of knowledge of what is required for a position (albeit players won't be up to AFL speed). The fact that we've had so few injuries has limited the need for call up - hard to drop players after 8 wins on the trot, for example.

 

[Vader]

So aslong as menzel trains hard hes in the team? Sanfl form has a big part in who makes the 22. The reality is the selectors seem to overrate certain players. If you dont perform at sanfl level you dont get anywhere near the best 22. The reason cey cant get into the lineup is because the other inside mids have been playing well.

I'm not saying that SANFL performances are irrelevant. What I am saying is that training form is given a much higher weighting, and it is not an issue for players to be selected despite not having played a game the previous week (either due to being the traveling emergency, or SANFL bye).

Here's the emergency lists (ignoring late changes) from the 5 weeks:
R19 - Milera, Wigg, O'Brien
R18 - Seedsman, Mackay, O'Brien
R17 - CEY, Milera, Kelly
R16 - Seedsman, Milera, Kelly
R15 - Henderson, Milera, Otten

Only once in the last 5 rounds has CEY been named on the emergency list. Having other inside mids ahead of him is probably what's keeping him out of the 22 - no argument there. It's not what's keeping him out of the 25. By all accounts he's been playing well for a while now, with the Showdown-lite being an exceptionally good performance. Given his good form, you need to ask yourself why can't he even make it onto the emergency list?

I'm happy to accept that he's been playing really well at the SANFL level. However, history shows that the selectors just don't have that much interest in him, regardless of his SANFL form. Why? You'd have to ask them.

Why do they bother with the SANFL? Good SANFL form doesn't guarantee AFL selection. Bad SANFL form does guarantee that you won't be given AFL selection. Primarily though it's about match fitness. Players get fit at training, but there's just no simulating the way that players push themselves under the adrenaline surge of the match conditions. It's also valuable for getting players used to the roles that the club wants them to play, so that they fit straight into the system if they are required at the senior level.

Wigg & O'Brien have good SANFL form, and the signals coming from the AFC are that they're close to gaining AFL selection. CEY has good SANFL form, but there's no indication from within the club that his efforts are likely to be rewarded. This is not me hating on CEY, it's the signals that the AFC are sending.

You're probably right about the selectors over-rating certain players. More to the point, I think they're much slower to revise their opinions about players than BigFooty would like them to be. I think that goes both ways - slow to recognise and reward good SANFL form in the youngsters, slow to recognise and punish bad AFL form in the veterans. I think BigFooty goes to the other extreme, being prone to knee-jerk reactions and calling for players to be dropped after only one or two poor performances.

Personally, I'm neither here nor there on CEY's possible selection this week. I don't think his inclusion would improve our team, but I don't think he'd disappoint us if he were selected. I expect him to be named on the emergency list, but not in the final 22.

Please vader spare me your bullshit.

Grow up and stop trying to shoot the messenger.

 

[AFC979810]

Out: Thommo (rested), Jacobs (rested)
In: Menzel, ROB

I am all aboard getting Menzel in. Guy has the ability to win us a game off his own boot. If we are to beat Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong and GWS - we need our most talented on the park.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Out: Mackay
In: Hampton

 

[DJ75]

It's really not, when you consider that the selectors basically don't care about SANFL performances much. Performances at training are given a much higher weighting, and this has always been the case. I assume it's because they're achieved against higher quality players.

** This is not a Mackay or Wigg thing. It's been going on for years.

This is true and it is flawed thinking. Some players look great at training, silky smooth, great skills etc... They can even look great in some games against weaker opponents. Sadly they also disappear against pressure. We've probably all played with guys like that. It really shouldn't take 150+ games to see if a player has that ability or not!