Changes vs Brisbane

[OrdinaryJoel]

F*ck it is hard to figure who'll come out!

 

[BACCS]

Riley has done well given the limited opportunities he's been given. Right now, I'd put him ahead of Knights, Tambling, Symes & Martin. That may be important when it comes to list management time at the end of the season.

Doughty (retired) and Knights, Tambling & Symes (dead men walking) are all certain departures. Then there's a fairly large group of players whom I would consider to be "at risk" - Riley, Martin, Joyce, Johnston, L Thompson and (possibly) McKernan & Johncock. That list is not in any order. How many "at risk" players are shown the door would depend upon the outcome of trade week and just how many draftees the recruitment team want to take onboard - I'd guess that we're looking at 5-7 new draftees (anything less than 5 would surprise me greatly).

Those three are no way near 'at risk' of a delisting, especially Johnston and Martin. Seriously Vader, not all that you say is fact, so don't try and make it sound like it. Tambling isn't anywhere near a certain departure either.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

My guess is little trade action and we will focus on the draft, potential senior list changes include:

Dogga likely to retire, Knights will walk, Symes will request a trade or be delisted, L Thompson is another that may seek further opportunities back in Melb

 

[beartoo]

I would be most surprised to see Martin, Johnston or Mckernan delisted.
I don't know who gets dropped this week.
Maybe Rory S should be rested for a match or be the sub. It's been a long season and he looks as though he's feeling it.

 

[WAG]

Kurt as the sub. Will make a change from being the one subbed off.

If that's the case then I'd be making sure they pad the bench and surrounding dugout!

 

[Vader]

Brodie Martin must have impressed you as you mentioned him twice, but you must have forgotten Martins impact when he came on as the sub. He was very good and if it wasn't for the hammy I doubt he would have been dropped.

Ooops.. didn't mean to name him twice.

Didn't forget about him. I just think Riley has been better.

 

[Vader]

Those three are no way near 'at risk' of a delisting, especially Johnston and Martin. Seriously Vader, not all that you say is fact, so don't try and make it sound like it. Tambling isn't anywhere near a certain departure either.

All of those are at risk, depending upon how deep they wish to cut the list in order to make room for new blood. Note also that they need to make room for Callinan and Crouch as well, so that's 2 more positions we need to find. Mind you, moving Reilly & Rutten to the veterans list will free up a couple of positions.

Almost nothing is more certain than Tambling's departure. It would take a miracle for him to land a new contract with the AFC.

If we want 5 new draftees, plus upgrading Callinan and Crouch, then we need to create 6 vacancies. 4 of those vacancies will be come via the departures of Doughty, Knights, Symes & Tambling. That means 2 of those "at risk" players will be delisted. If we want 6 new draftees, then 3 of them will go. 7 new draftees = 4 "at risk" players departing.

Johnston & Joyce are both in their 1st year on our list and would be unlikely to depart on that basis. Unlikely.. but possible. Riley & Martin have both shown a bit at AFL level this year, but both have their deficiencies and could be on the chopping block. McKernan is probably the least likely of the "at list" players to be delisted, though trading him is a distinct possibility - the fact that his departure would leave us very short of ruck options may be enough to save him.

In any case, the list managers have their work cut out for them this year. Some tough choices have to be made and I believe that the list I provided above gives an accurate guide to who is "at risk" of departing the scene.

 

[Elite Crow]

We may only go with 4 picks considering the 4th is likely to be in the 80s. Plus theres the possibility of Kurt making our choice for us

 

[1970crow]

My guess is little trade action and we will focus on the draft, potential senior list changes include:

Dogga likely to retire, Knights will walk, Symes will request a trade or be delisted, L Thompson is another that may seek further opportunities back in Melb

I wonder if we bat a bit deep for afl quality. Vader says we've used 36 players so far this year. Of the 14 who aren't best 22, not many aren't afl capable. It's very hard to compare this part of our list against others without making afl your full time job. I wonder if we may be better off trying to trade away a few good depth players and convert to pick upgrades hoping to finish with a player who will be in our top 6 or so.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Does anyone think Thommo needs a rest before finals? Two sub Thommo performances in the past two games and we need him firing in the first final.

 

[Bicks]

Does anyone think Thommo needs a rest before finals? Two sub Thommo performances in the past two games and we need him firing in the first final.

I don't think so,for mine he "took" one for the team with Crowley harassing him all day, the upside was this allowed Patty and Matthew Wright to take up the slack and dominate. I'm happy for Thommo to play a less dominant role if it means others get off the leash!!!

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Win the next two and maybe rest Jacobs, Thommo and Danger in the last round

 

[Schulzycrow]

Win the next two and maybe rest Jacobs, Thommo and Danger in the last round

Don't know that resting arguably the top three players at the club all at once is a good idea...Jacobs imo had the week off so he should be ok, would be resting Thommo for the Melb game and Danger maybe against GC.

 

[MRB37]

Does anyone think Thommo needs a rest before finals? Two sub Thommo performances in the past two games and we need him firing in the first final.

Think it's more he struggles against Freo tagging? Had 18 possies against them in round 10, 16 yesterday. Only times all year he's been under 20. Could probably give him a week off against GC, but I reckon he'll be OK.

 

[PykeDream]

One thing that actually wouldn't surprise me, would be if Jenkins was actually dropped for Tippett this week instead of Johnston. With Tippett back in the side, Jenkins will thankfully no longer need to ruck, as that role will be given to Tippett.

Jenkins has shown what he is capable of as a key forward and whilst he has shown great potential and some even greater highlights, he has struggled to consistently remain involved in the games. Given we know what Jenkins would offer us as our 3rd tall forward and his output is OK but nothing special, I don't think it would be a bad idea to give Johnston a couple of weeks to press his case for the position.

Johnston's first game was okay, he lead up the ground hard and displayed his fine kicking skills, but it was symptomatic of a player playing his first game. With his first game jitters out of the way, I'd like to see what he could produce on a more consistent basis, if its not up to scratch after a week or two then Jenkins could easily be brought back in. At the same time, I feel Jenkins is at the stage of his career where the odd game or two at SANFL level is almost a good thing.

I doubt it will actually happen, likely changes are Tippett and Porps for Johnston and Riley, but just a thought considering Jenkins very limited ability to ruck will no longer be required.

I agree with the idea of retaining Johnston, particularly seeing as North are the only team with the bye. Jenkins on the other hand can return to Sturt to retain fitness, no worries.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Don't know that resting arguably the top three players at the club all at once is a good idea...Jacobs imo had the week off so he should be ok, would be resting Thommo for the Melb game and Danger maybe against GC.

Clubs have rested there top 4-5 players against the expansion clubs

The trio I've mentioned have had a massive workload all season and we could bring in Smack, Symes and Knights in and still win comfortably against the GC

 

[PykeDream]

Does anyone think Thommo needs a rest before finals? Two sub Thommo performances in the past two games and we need him firing in the first final.

He looks angry. Really, really angry, for the last couple of weeks in his demeanour and attitude towards the opposition and umpires. Leaves me wondering if the off field stuff is beginning to affect his game. Hopefully he can get through it and back into his best form.

 

[BigLefty]

no way would i be resting anyone in the last round against GC. you just cant flirt with form like that. if anyone should be rested it has to happen this week or next week. not because GC are more a chance of beating us than the others, but i'd prefer to see all the players in action fine tuning before the first final.

it would be a risk, but if Tippett plays i would start him on the field, then sub him off after a half for either Jenkins or Johnston. i dont think we can risk him starting as sub. in case he gets brought in and cant play the game out. it's unconventional use of the sub, but necessary under the circumstances.

i wouldnt be surprised if we either played him at Westies, or more likely just flogged him on the track for a week to get his fitness back up. on AFL360 last week one of the hosts mentioned they'd spoken with Tippett, and he was more worried about a soft tissue injury from lack of conditioning than his head.

that is a massive risk at this time of year. a hamstring would pretty much rule him out for the season.

if he doesnt play, then Jenkins and Johnston both play and i think one of Johncock, Callinan, Douglas or Dogga will start as sub. or maybe Smith?

 

[Schulzycrow]

Clubs have rested there top 4-5 players against the expansion clubs

The trio I've mentioned have had a massive workload all season and we could bring in Smack, Symes and Knights in and still win comfortably against the GC

Fair call TSR...could be a farewell game for all three mentioned.

 

[King Elvis]

Tippett and Johncock need the match fitness, so forget both of them.

Callinan needs match time to get his mojo back.

Doughty, Truck are the old stagers who could do with a rest...

Maybe Vince as the sub, possibly coming on for Thommo or Sloane or Paddy?

 

[Mismatched]

I don't like the thought of resting anyone who doesn't have a genuine niggle, but if the game is won I'd love to see guys like Thommo and Jacobs get subbed off in the 3rd.

Tippett unfortunately will need the game time once he gets back, his fitness levels shouldn't be too bad but he will have lost a bit of touch. I think we might see him ruck more than usual, giving Jacobs a rest and allowing to get amongst it and regain that touch before maximizing his time forward come finals.

 

[Mego Red]

My guess is little trade action and we will focus on the draft, potential senior list changes include:

Dogga likely to retire, Knights will walk, Symes will request a trade or be delisted, L Thompson is another that may seek further opportunities back in Melb

Sounds like we need to get the delistings thread up and going again.

For me, it's four picks and two upgrades. I agree with who you've outlined for delisting and would be looking at Joyce as well.

If Thomson or McKernan got traded, I'd be okay with that, if we got value.

I'd also like to see if Douglas and our first round pick would get us near that second mini draft selection, but it might be a bit light.

 

[Team DJ]

OUT: Johnstone/Jenkins Riley
IN: Tippet Porplyzia


Although Knights did play a blinder by all reports. Could sneak in ahead of Porps.......

Porps to be the sub.

 

[Team DJ]

All of those are at risk, depending upon how deep they wish to cut the list in order to make room for new blood. Note also that they need to make room for Callinan and Crouch as well, so that's 2 more positions we need to find. Mind you, moving Reilly & Rutten to the veterans list will free up a couple of positions.

Almost nothing is more certain than Tambling's departure. It would take a miracle for him to land a new contract with the AFC.

If we want 5 new draftees, plus upgrading Callinan and Crouch, then we need to create 6 vacancies. 4 of those vacancies will be come via the departures of Doughty, Knights, Symes & Tambling. That means 2 of those "at risk" players will be delisted. If we want 6 new draftees, then 3 of them will go. 7 new draftees = 4 "at risk" players departing.

Johnston & Joyce are both in their 1st year on our list and would be unlikely to depart on that basis. Unlikely.. but possible. Riley & Martin have both shown a bit at AFL level this year, but both have their deficiencies and could be on the chopping block. McKernan is probably the least likely of the "at list" players to be delisted, though trading him is a distinct possibility - the fact that his departure would leave us very short of ruck options may be enough to save him.

In any case, the list managers have their work cut out for them this year. Some tough choices have to be made and I believe that the list I provided above gives an accurate guide to who is "at risk" of departing the scene.

Outs: Doughty Johncock ret, Knights FA, Symes Tambling.
Trade: McKernan and L Thompson to Hawthorn for Shoenmakers.

 

[Vader]

Outs: Doughty Johncock ret, Knights FA, Symes Tambling.
Trade: McKernan and L Thompson to Hawthorn for Shoenmakers.

Nice try.. I'm not sure Hawthorn would do that deal, given that Shoenmakers is finally starting to show something this year. I'm also not sure whether or not Johncock will retire (or be retired) - could go either way. It could work out the way you've outlined, but I wouldn't bet on it.