Preview Changes vs Collingwood

[JP Sauce]

Worst case scenario? Where's Gus!?

I said "but still possible" otherwise I'd have brought Smack in too.

 

[beartoo]

Martin in--play for 15 minutes--get 8 possessions, 3 clearances, 2 goals, seven tackles--drop following week.

 

[Bailey01]

Martin in--play for 15 minutes--get 8 possessions, 3 clearances, 2 goals, seven tackles--drop following week.

Unlikely he will play

 

[Vader]

I know Hartigan had a poor game last week however he was good in the previous weeks

With this in mind a coach Needs to back a young player in after only 1 bad game

I agree with you in principle, but the equation changes significantly when you have a player like Truck ready to return. One of Shaw & Hartigan will be dropped - that much is clear from the choice to rest Rutten from the SANFL game. I'd rather see Shaw dropped, but dropping Hartigan may be better for the team balance.

 

[beartoo]

Unlikely he will play

I meant as sub as usual

 

[GROTTO]

What is the downside of upgrading one of our rookies like Cameron?

 

[Vader]

What is the downside of upgrading one of our rookies like Cameron?

Salary Cap implications.

They usually just upgrade them the week before they get selected for their first game. No point in upgrading them if they're not going to be selected.

 

[Bailey01]

Salary Cap implications.

They usually just upgrade them the week before they get selected for their first game. No point in upgrading them if they're not going to be selected.

So if he gets upgraded on Monday he will definitely get selected for Thursday night

 

[huludicidal]

Unlikely he will play

I'd say it's almost certain that he'll replace Jaensch (Martin that is). There's absolutely no reason why they would have pulled Martin from the SANFL team unless he's going to play against Collingwood. Surely everyone can see that.

We all know that's a terrible position for him to play, but this is the unfortunate reaility of being a Crows supporter at the present time.


Based on the SANFL selections, the changes for the Pies game appear (to me) to be:

In:
Walker, Douglas, Cameron, Rutten, Martin

Out:
Lynch, Grigg, Petrenko, Hartigan, Jaensch

They may opt to keep Hartigan in at the expense of Shaw, but the lack of pace would probably be a deciding factor in omitting Hartigan I feel.

Obviously Reilly is in the frame to lose his spot, but I really don't see it happening. Personally I think it's a ****ing disgrace if he's selected after completely taking the piss against Melbourne, but what would I know.

Martin or Cameron will be the sub. Or Grigg if he somehow survives (he won't unless an injury occurs between now and Thursday).

If Petrenko AND Reilly both play, I can honestly say that I won't be attending. You can't continue to treat your fans like idiots and expect them to turn up without fail.

 

[Bailey01]

I'd say it's almost certain that he'll replace Jaensch (Martin that is). There's absolutely no reason why they would have pulled Martin from the SANFL team unless he's going to play against Collingwood. Surely everyone can see that.

We all know that's a terrible position for him to play, but this is the unfortunate reaility of being a Crows supporter at the present time.


Based on the SANFL selections, the changes for the Pies game appear (to me) to be:

In:
Walker, Douglas, Cameron, Rutten, Martin

Out:
Lynch, Grigg, Petrenko, Hartigan, Jaensch

They may opt to keep Hartigan in at the expense of Shaw, but the lack of pace would probably be a deciding factor in omitting Hartigan I feel.

Obviously Reilly is in the frame to lose his spot, but I really don't see it happening. Personally I think it's a ******* disgrace if he's selected after completely taking the piss against Melbourne, but what would I know.

Martin or Cameron will be the sub. Or Grigg if he somehow survives (he won't unless an injury occurs between now and Thursday).

If Petrenko AND Reilly both play, I can honestly say that I won't be attending. You can't continue to treat your fans like idiots and expect them to turn up without fail.

When will they learn that Martin doesn't have this apparent "pace" that they think he has and don't they understand that he isn't a part of the future and playing him is hindering the development of players who are actually our future.
Grigg should not get dropped at the expense of Martin.
Even Lyons should be played more instead to actually decide if he is up to it or not.
I agree with your last point especially about Petrenko, if he is selected then I will definitely not attend. Cameron has pretty much all the attributes that Petrenko has but is actually better at them in every way and is much younger and seems to have a much better work ethic that Petrenko.

 

[GROTTO]

If Petrenko AND Reilly both play, I can honestly say that I won't be attending. You can't continue to treat your fans like idiots and expect them to turn up without fail.

I was watching a footy talk show once that said teams are usually decided by their bottom players, because generally the top players of each team cancel each other out.

With Pets and Reilly as our bottom players we give such a flipping headstart to the opposition.

 

[Bailey01]

Safe to say that Martin is a disgrace to the #36 guernsey.

 

[GROTTO]

Cameron has pretty much all the attributes that Petrenko has but is actually better at them in every way and is much younger and seems to have a much better work ethic that Petrenko.

Problem with Petrenko is that he thinks he is Rioli, its like saying a Holden is like a Ferrarri.

 

[Bailey01]

I was watching a footy talk show once that said teams are usually decided by their bottom players, because generally the top players of each team cancel each other out.

With Pets and Reilly as our bottom players we give such a ruddy headstart to the opposition.

But really I don't know how many times Petrenko has to go missing in big games for the coaches to understand that he is a spud and only plays well against the bottom teams.

 

[Bailey01]

Problem with Petrenko is that he thinks he is Rioli, its like saying a Holden is like a Ferrarri.

Even Petrenko's best attributes Rioli is 100 times better

 

[GROTTO]

Even Petrenko's best attributes Rioli is 100 times better

Rioli with a torn hamstring will do more damage then Petrenko at full fitness.

 

[GROTTO]

But really I don't know how many times Petrenko has to go missing in big games for the coaches to understand that he is a spud and only plays well against the bottom teams.

I will say though he has improved compared to last year, maybe Betts has assisted with that. Mind you he is still shit, there is no hiding from that.

 

[Bailey01]

I will say though he has improved compared to last year, maybe Betts has assisted with that. Mind you he is still shit, there is no hiding from that.

Hard to argue with that, he has improved on last year to the fact he has only played games against weaker opposition.

But when you get to heavy weights like Collingwood he is a dead set liability.

 

[Ravenous Crow]

Safe to say that Martin is a disgrace to the #36 guernsey.

Pathetic comment.

Yeah he's not the best player ever. And probably shouldn't have been on the team this long.

But he's always tried his guts out and seems like a really nice and well respected guy.

I'm not saying we can't be critical of players but that kind of tone feels way out of line.

 

[GROTTO]

Hard to argue with that, he has improved on last year to the fact he has only played games against weaker opposition.

But when you get to heavy weights like Collingwood he is a dead set liability.

When Port beat the Pies in last years finals, I was so impressed because we have consistently failed to beat the Pies in big games like that.

We cannot have any passengers on Thursday night, its going to be hot in the kitchen. Cameron may just give us some x-factor to be excited about.

Not to mention this is easily one of the best lineups that we have produced since the ACL disaster last year.

 

[Bailey01]

Pathetic comment.

Yeah he's not the best player ever. And probably shouldn't have been on the team this long.

But he's always tried his guts out and seems like a really nice and well respected guy.

I'm not saying we can't be critical of players but that kind of tone feels way out of line.

Alright lets just say he hasn't done it proud.

 

[Bailey01]

When Port beat the Pies in last years finals, I was so impressed because we have consistently failed to beat the Pies in big games like that.

We cannot have any passengers on Thursday night, its going to be hot in the kitchen. Cameron may just give us some x-factor to be excited about.

Not to mention this is easily one of the best lineups that we have produced since the ACL disaster last year.

Thats why spuds like Petrenko must not play and bringing in someone like Martin isn't going to help.

 

[GROTTO]

Thats why spuds like Petrenko must not play and bringing in someone like Martin isn't going to help.

But doesnt Petrenko offer hope that anyone in the crowd could literally play for the Crows!

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Thats why spuds like Petrenko must not play and bringing in someone like Martin isn't going to help.

Bringing in Martin for Petrenko may not be the difference between winning and losing, but it would improve the team by a lot.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I agree with you in principle, but the equation changes significantly when you have a player like Truck ready to return. One of Shaw & Hartigan will be dropped - that much is clear from the choice to rest Rutten from the SANFL game. I'd rather see Shaw dropped, but dropping Hartigan may be better for the team balance.

They could remain, we simply shuffle Shaw into Reilly, Jaensch or Lynch position. He's tall but the athleticism of a flanker.

The fact his disposal is awful means he shouldn't be in the back half. I'd like to see him tried at half forward.

But all said and done, shawly he will be dropped before Hartigan