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[Swanhotels]

Ugh, god, what is it with people wanting to find the most indirect, STUPID answer for something that's just really plain and obvious, lol

People question him because they see him play like shit every week. It's because of his performance. It's not some rare moon tide that occurs once every few months to make us feel funny towards him. I have no reason or motive for just...hating a player. But I tell you what, I hate watching him play every week because he sucks. It's that simple. You -dread- when he gets the ball. It makes you feel like there's no hope for a premiership if he's the best we've got.

It doesn't help that he has no charisma and is all-round dull as ****, but first and foremost, it's his footy. He is shit, and that doesn't inspire people.

haha! One of the great posts, I enjoyed this a lot.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm not a fan but he's not shit and he disposes of the ball generally well, if anything he's one player that knows how to pass the ball.

Having said that, IMO he is an average player as a creative player. If he was played as a true tagger he could be very good but for some reason we dont play him in that role.

I look at the new generation of young inspirational captains like Watson, Selwood and Cotchin. Pendelbury will soon follow suit. Paddy is in their class and could have the same impact as Captain.

 

[BACCS]

I'm not going to go and find the post that you were responding to Baccs, but I will just mention Nick Maxwell's name. Collingwood supporters on mass didn't want him appointed captain and many still don't want him as captain. I'm sure it happens at other clubs too.

It happens at plenty of clubs. I love Joel Selwood, reckon he's the best captain in the league, but he's been ordinary for a month. It can be masked by the fact Geelong are still winning, but still. VB is certainly down on last year, but I thought the weekend was a big step in the right direction. I just get pissed off by people questioning his spot in the side.

 

[Elite Crow]

Clearly he inspires the players... and frankly, what you think doesn't matter.

Poor form Jenny, just because you don't agree he's got every right to have his view.

 

[BACCS]

Ugh, god, what is it with people wanting to find the most indirect, STUPID answer for something that's just really plain and obvious, lol

People question him because they see him play like shit every week. It's because of his performance. It's not some rare moon tide that occurs once every few months to make us feel funny towards him. I have no reason or motive for just...hating a player. But I tell you what, I hate watching him play every week because he sucks. It's that simple. You -dread- when he gets the ball. It makes you feel like there's no hope for a premiership if he's the best we've got.

It doesn't help that he has no charisma and is all-round dull as ****, but first and foremost, it's his footy. He is shit, and that doesn't inspire people.

I usually feel very safe when VB has the ball. But the rest of your post is a rant with absolutely no base to it. Good for you, hope you feel better for it.

 

[BACCS]

Poor form Jenny, just because you don't agree he's got every right to have his view.

It was a rant aimed at provoking a response, I have every right to have a go at it.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'm not a fan but he's not shit and he disposes of the ball generally well, if anything he's one player that knows how to pass the ball.

Having said that, IMO he is an average player as a creative player. If he was played as a true tagger he could be very good but for some reason we dont play him in that role.

I look at the new generation of young inspirational captains like Watson, Selwood and Cotchin. Pendelbury will soon follow suit. Paddy is in their class and could have the same impact as Captain.

And his time will come. He may not have the "captain" tag, but he leads like one. He and Sloane alike. VB has been a steadying ship in choppy times. He certainly inspires his team with his work ethic and that is important in a young team. Danger will be captain soon, of that I am sure.

 

[amer]

Clearly he inspires the players... and frankly, what you think doesn't matter.

Well it does, Jennie, because the club exists to serve its members. And more and more don't want him.

And you have to ask how our players have been educated and prepared to identify leadership quality when we have arrived at such an outcome. Like, for the players to know what's best for them, the best possible processes have to have been instilled. I don't think they are arriving at the best outcome for themselves, and I am one among many, many Adelaide supporters who feels this way.

Again, let's be real - we all love the crows, we all want them to do well. There is no ulterior motive with van Berlo. It can only be his performance.

 

[jenny61_99]

Poor form Jenny, just because you don't agree he's got every right to have his view.

It doesn't matter what he thinks, or I think or YOU think. It's the players decision, and they chose him.

 

[BACCS]

I'm not a fan but he's not shit and he disposes of the ball generally well, if anything he's one player that knows how to pass the ball.

Having said that, IMO he is an average player as a creative player. If he was played as a true tagger he could be very good but for some reason we dont play him in that role.

I look at the new generation of young inspirational captains like Watson, Selwood and Cotchin. Pendelbury will soon follow suit. Paddy is in their class and could have the same impact as Captain.

Cotchin has been fairly ordinary this year though. Name me one game he has directly won for them? I thought captaincy would lift him even further as a player, but he is severely down on form this season.

 

[Elite Crow]

It was a rant aimed at provoking a response, I have every right to have a go at it.

Are you Jenny's alias, it all makes sense now

 

[amer]

I usually feel very safe when VB has the ball. But the rest of your post is a rant with absolutely no base to it. Good for you, hope you feel better for it.

You feel safe, that's fine. Your reasoning has about as much base to it as mine does.

I'm just giving you the real reason - the only reason - why people don't like this footballer - because he sucks at football. Like, that's it.

It would be really interesting to see Adelaide members polled about him, because you certainly hear this same sentiment - that he's crap - all over the place.

 

[Elite Crow]

Cotchin has been fairly ordinary this year though. Name me one game he has directly won for them? I thought captaincy would lift him even further as a player, but he is severely down on form this season.

No he hasn't, his stats are identical to last year and hes still averaging 27 possessions. As for one game? Try the first game of the year for starters.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

So because people on here question his worth, that means it's the majority opinion? People will question anything these days, doesn't mean they're right. And an opinion on BF means jackshit in the scheme of things. The only reason people question him is because they didn't want him as captain in the first place, which is fine, but then don't expect people to take your opinion seriously.

Nothing about anything you've said today would lead someone to take you seriously, it's been absolutely emotional appeals, ad hom and inconsistency .
Taking something seriously has to have a basis, you take anything that suits you and ignore or behave in denial of anything else.
Not everyone is making amusing statements that look like they are written by a 5 year old like "he is very very bad at football" ha.
Like something you can't refute in 10 tackles for the season vs 126 last season 80 odd in previous years,
When you bring possessions in you bring stats in like 5 clangers which at least means 5 of those possessions were shocking and very likely contributed to the ball not getting a lot of distance as VB has to be one of the most smothered players going about and he definitely was smothered at least once.

Brodie Martins game for value was on par with Van Berlos if you paid attention to Martin they both had marks in defense. This game suited VB a lot more then Martin but that guy out there wasn't VB.
That guy isn't playing like VB at all, 1 tackle in wet weather scrimmage football is a disgrace and he's giving more frees then he's getting.
VB posting outside runner stats is a win for opposition teams they'll take that every week.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

I'm not a fan but he's not shit and he disposes of the ball generally well, if anything he's one player that knows how to pass the ball.

Having said that, IMO he is an average player as a creative player. If he was played as a true tagger he could be very good but for some reason we dont play him in that role.

I look at the new generation of young inspirational captains like Watson, Selwood and Cotchin. Pendelbury will soon follow suit. Paddy is in their class and could have the same impact as Captain.

dont forget Sloane too. He may even be better as captain.

 

[amer]

Like, I don't understand why people won't accept what people are saying at face value. People don't like him because they don't think he's good at the game. I don't see anyone saying "ooooh man I just resent him because he stole my favourite player's limelight, blah blah should've been captain". Why not accept the thoughts people are giving, in place of the underground theory for subconsciously driven vendetta against this evil, evil man.

 

[King Elvis]

Clearly he inspires the players... and frankly, what you think doesn't matter.

Clearly?

Based on what?

 

[King Elvis]

It happens at plenty of clubs. I love Joel Selwood, reckon he's the best captain in the league, but he's been ordinary for a month. It can be masked by the fact Geelong are still winning, but still. VB is certainly down on last year, but I thought the weekend was a big step in the right direction. I just get pissed off by people questioning his spot in the side.

Selwood has been down for a month, but VB isn't even in his League.

Selwood on a bad day is comparable to VB on one of his best days.

And I actually like VB, but that has nothing to do whether or not he is the best option as Captain.

 

[Elite Crow]

dont forget Sloane too. He may even be better as captain.

Nah, Danger is Batman and Sloaney Robin.

 

[amer]

It happens at plenty of clubs. I love Joel Selwood, reckon he's the best captain in the league, but he's been ordinary for a month. It can be masked by the fact Geelong are still winning, but still. VB is certainly down on last year, but I thought the weekend was a big step in the right direction. I just get pissed off by people questioning his spot in the side.

Okay.

You are saying a multi-premiersihp, All-Australian chamion of the game yet to hit 25, is a good comparison for Nathan van Berlo...because he's had a down month.

Am I reading this correctly? I am, because that's what you're saying.

 

[Vader]

I think based on that they vote him in every year.

The question is, are they inspired by the right things? I.e. have we prepared and educated our players to be able to identify a good captain? Because it's not something you're born able to do.

Jenny, our players thinking he's the best does not mean they are arriving at the best outcome for themselves. It's a perception on their part. The results are what inherently matter.

It's not just the players.. it's the coaches too. You know.. the ones whose leadership the entire club is built around? Sando.. the man we spent how long identifying as the best leader available, including getting Leigh Matthews to provide his input?

 

[J_Moore]

Lynch is good and a smart user of the footy. I expect him to play high half forward like ROK did for us in his younger years, and primarily his impact will be in score assists rather than scores. If we play Everitt on him, I could see Lynch getting the upper hand.

 

[amer]

It's not just the players.. it's the coaches too. You know.. the ones whose leadership the entire club is built around? Sando.. the man we spent how long identifying as the best leader available, including getting Leigh Matthews to provide his input?

Again, same question. Let's not deitise our decision makers - they are just people.

Based on Sanderson's interviews, cadence, grasp of language, he doesn't strike as a reflective personality or deep thinker. I think he's emotionally intelligent in a relatable capacity and that is what drives his influence of club and players. I think he might be limited without quality acumen around him.

You're making the mistake also of granting some degree of immunity to the Adelaide Football Club's processes and decision making, by virtue of it being an organisation. There are good ones, and bad ones. We aren't necessarily good at selecting the right people. And on evidence in the past year or two, we do make poor decisions in some key areas. Why not this one?

Let's be completely rational and critical here - none of us want to dislike one of our players, none of us want VB to be a shit captain, but a lot of us feel that he is. Remember it's just people - educating our players about leadership, making decisions for the betterment of our club, deciding where and when to innovate and what with - it's all people. Very fallible people, like all of us. Let's not assume they're good at these jobs because they have these jobs, especially when the club they run is not the most successful club in its field.

 

[Bob Neil]

Again, same question. Let's not deitise our decision makers - they are just people.

Based on Sanderson's interviews, cadence, grasp of language, he doesn't strike as a reflective personality or deep thinker. I think he's emotionally intelligent in a relatable capacity and that is what drives his influence of club and players. I think he might be limited without quality acumen around him.

You're making the mistake also of granting some degree of immunity to the Adelaide Football Club's processes and decision making, by virtue of it being an organisation. There are good ones, and bad ones. We aren't necessarily good at selecting the right people. And on evidence in the past year or two, we do make poor decisions in some key areas. Why not this one?

Let's be completely rational and critical here - none of us want to dislike one of our players, none of us want VB to be a shit captain, but a lot of us feel that he is. Remember it's just people - educating our players about leadership, making decisions for the betterment of our club, deciding where and when to innovate and what with - it's all people. Very fallible people, like all of us. Let's not assume they're good at these jobs because they have these jobs, especially when the club they run is not the most successful club in its field.

Word.

 

[Vader]

Again, same question. Let's not deitise our decision makers - they are just people.

Based on Sanderson's interviews, cadence, grasp of language, he doesn't strike as a reflective personality or deep thinker. I think he's emotionally intelligent in a relatable capacity and that is what drives his influence of club and players. I think he might be limited without quality acumen around him.

Highly debatable, but since neither you, nor I have ever actually met Sando I don't think either of us is in a position to make definitive statements about how intelligent he is or isn't.

You're making the mistake also of granting some degree of immunity to the Adelaide Football Club's processes and decision making, by virtue of it being an organisation. There are good ones, and bad ones. We aren't necessarily good at selecting the right people. And on evidence in the past year or two, we do make poor decisions in some key areas. Why not this one?

That's why the club got Leigh Matthews to help out with the selection process. He has vast experience in coaching and player management and knew exactly which sort of questions to be asking. I have every confidence that Sando was the best candidate available.

The process of appointing Sando was almost the complete opposite of the farce which was conducted when Craig was appointed. This time they spent a lot of time making sure that they had the process right - that they had the best people making the judgement call and that they were asking all the right questions, in order to find the very best candidate.

What's more, I have never heard anything bad said about VB or his leadership, by anyone who has actually met him. I've read plenty of opinions here on BigFooty, by people who clearly have no understanding what leadership really is - none of whom have ever actually met the man. Every single person who has met him has only glowing things to say about him as a person and as a leader. I'll take the word of those people, who actually have a valid point of reference, over those basing their opinions on nothing more than his weekly on-field performances.

Let's be completely rational and critical here - none of us want to dislike one of our players, none of us want VB to be a shit captain, but a lot of us feel that he is. Remember it's just people - educating our players about leadership, making decisions for the betterment of our club, deciding where and when to innovate and what with - it's all people. Very fallible people, like all of us. Let's not give them the benefit of the doubt because they're in charge of a club, especially when it is not the most successful club in its field.

I recognise that a lot of people feel that he's a shit captain. That's obvious from reading the many threads on the subject here on this board. What's equally evident is that 99% of people categorise leadership almost entirely as "the ability to inspire their fellow players through heroic deeds on the football field". That's a seriously flawed understanding of what leadership is. The problem lies with people's understanding and accepted definition of leadership, rather than VB's actual leadership itself.

What I would really love is for the club to explain why they view him as being such a great leader. What it is that sets him apart from the other players in the group. The time for this would probably be when they announce him as Captain again in early 2014. I get the feeling that they're going to have to explain it anyway, given the groundswell of support for Dangerfield and/or Sloane as potential replacements.