Preview Changes vs Sydney

[1970crow]

My gut feel is that Sloane will be Captain, not Dangerfield. Don't ask me why though. I think either would do a fantastic job.

I think this could be the rare occasion where there are legitimate co-captains. Might come down to contract extension timings or overall contract lengths. But both of those gutlys exude on field leadership. like most, I have no idea of their off field credentials. Maybe baccs could give an opinion based on their respective radio work. That'd be important.

 

[1970crow]

Jesus, you've managed to narrow it down to just a field of 4 for next year. Well done, marvellous insight.

Apologies, 3 for next year. I too would be shocked (and worse) if thommo got near the captaincy.

 

[1970crow]

Love Thommos efforts over last few years and some times our only player getting the ball , but really he is unbelievable in the dumb things he does week in week out .
Like the dive into the pack for no reason to give away in the back call . Did at least 2- 3 again on Sat.
Danger is next captain just a matter of when but dont think it will be next year.

For 2-3 years I reckon thommo was first picked. Similar, but not to the same level as bucks when pies were struggling. There was probably so much to work on, it would be easy to miss the issues of your best player. With bucks it was probably on field interaction and with thommo it would be unnecessary free kicks, especially when a ball up is highly likely. He hasn't improved in that area and it's quite likely that it hasn't been worked at.

 

[Silkman]

Tippett might be an atheist

Same with Judas, actually
He left a club that was on the up, was the highest paid player and went to the highest bidder = scumbag of the year to me.

Danger wants to "meet up" with him after the game? Sounds like Ramsgate Mark 2 to me.

 

[RUNVS]

Same with Judas, actually
He left a club that was on the up, was the highest paid player and went to the highest bidder = scumbag of the year to me.

Danger wants to "meet up" with him after the game? Sounds like Ramsgate Mark 2 to me.

Perrhaps Tippett sees being an AFL player as a business so while Dangerfield might have a lot of loyalty to one club Tippett might see changing clubs as like changing companies.

 

[fairfooty]

Perrhaps Tippett sees being an AFL player as a business so while Dangerfield might have a lot of loyalty to one club Tippett might see changing clubs as like changing companies.

And you'll be next if he does.

 

[RUNVS]

And you'll be next if he does.

That is possible and while I will be disappointed if that were the case I would not be surprised. I expect Tippett to give his all when he puts on the red and white but I am not expecting Tippett will be the type to bleed red and white like many of our players.

 

[FR0GGY]

Perrhaps Tippett sees being an AFL player as a business so while Dangerfield might have a lot of loyalty to one club Tippett might see changing clubs as like changing companies.

Yep we don't have a problem with that. But it's a way you go about your business and he/ his dad / agents acted like pricks.

 

[fairfooty]

That is possible and while I will be disappointed if that were the case I would not be surprised. I expect Tippett to give his all when he puts on the red and white but I am not expecting Tippett will be the type to bleed red and white like many of our players.

Good to see one of you guys at least conceding he might not be a good fit to your team. Leopards don't change their spots. and his 'all' may not be what you expect either. On the other hand he might perform better 'at home'. Just quarantine his father - you might have a hope then.

 

[Silkman]

Perrhaps Tippett sees being an AFL player as a business so while Dangerfield might have a lot of loyalty to one club Tippett might see changing clubs as like changing companies.

Yes, agree with that. The coin often rules the heart -still scum for doing so. We paid a heavy price for holding onto him.

 

[RUNVS]

Good to see one of you guys at least conceding he might not be a good fit to your team. Leopards don't change their spots. and his 'all' may not be what you expect either. On the other hand he might perform better 'at home'. Just quarantine his father - you might have a hope then.

Well players that don't bleed your team colours can still be good. Jolly wasn't any different than Tippett in that respect but he was still a very good player for the Swans, I also strongly suspect that Chris Judd doesn't have much club loyalty and definitely sees football as a business.

 

[fairfooty]

Well players that don't bleed your team colours can still be good. Jolly wasn't any different than Tippett in that respect but he was still a very good player for the Swans.

True - but a Patty or Tex he ain't - and with respect I think you've paid a truckload for a player who's not going to 'bleed' for you.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Tippett might be an atheist

I doubt he's even got that going for him.

 

[fairfooty]

Yes, agree with that. The coin often rules the heart -still scum for doing so. We paid a heavy price for holding onto him.

We sure did - and damn stupid we were - recruitment 101 - if you have to sell the farm to keep someone then let them go 'cos they've already gone.

 

[RUNVS]

True - but a Patty or Tex he ain't - and with respect I think you've paid a truckload for a player who's not going to 'bleed' for you.

True but in this respect I think the Swans paid overs for him not for his talent as such but because he fills a need. The Swans have a strong defence and a strong midfield and our big weakness last year was our forward line. Longmire looked at that and decided to recruit a player to lessen that weakness and in order to get Tippett we needed to pay overs for him. However if he can fill the hole in our team and turn a weakness into a strength then he will be worth it.

 

[fairfooty]

True but in this respect I think the Swans paid overs for him not for his talent as such but because he fills a need. The Swans have a strong defence and a strong midfield and our big weakness last year was our forward line. Longmire looked at that and decided to recruit a player to lessen that weakness and in order to get Tippett we needed to pay overs for him. However if he can fill the hole in our team and turn a weakness into a strength then he will be worth it.

I genuinely wonder though, if you were filling a need was he the best choice to chase for the money? I genuinely wish you luck with him - but there are an awful lot of 'ifs' in there for that level of investment IMO. Just remember you've recruited an individualist who will always put team second - as you've sadi he's unlikely to 'bleed' for you - and that won't change. Which is why I'm suggesting that you need to manage his father as much as you manage him - high maintenance.

 

[Glenno23]

Why aren't we playing him in the guts as our tagger? Perfect for the role, hes shown he can play it and if he could take out the oppositions best player that's going to lift the team.

Seeing him on the wing getting 18-20 possessions shits me.

This. So much this. He's an elite runner. He could stick with them all day long and be within an inch of the opponent's best player at all times. It shits me we never go the hard tag

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

True but in this respect I think the Swans paid overs for him not for his talent as such but because he fills a need. The Swans have a strong defence and a strong midfield and our big weakness last year was our forward line. Longmire looked at that and decided to recruit a player to lessen that weakness and in order to get Tippett we needed to pay overs for him. However if he can fill the hole in our team and turn a weakness into a strength then he will be worth it.

Absolutely.

It has become a sport for Adelaide fans to downplay his strengths for whatever reason. Trying to save face or whatever. Given that we were desperate to sign him up again for $700k + per season even after what we went through last time we signed him and after he'd had a concussion-ruined season shows how highly our club rated him.

You'd think he'll have a positive impact on Reid as well.

 

[fairfooty]

Absolutely.

It has become a sport for Adelaide fans to downplay his strengths for whatever reason. Trying to save face or whatever. Given that we were desperate to sign him up again for $700k + per season even after what we went through last time we signed him and after he'd had a concussion-ruined season shows how highly our club rated him.

You'd think he'll have a positive impact on Reid as well.

Agreed Carl. Which is why I discussed his 'team fit' rather than his strengths. Having said that if I had a say would I have offered $700k+ a year to keep him? Not on your life as to anyone with any experience in counter-offers it was flaming obvious he was already gone and it was all going to end in tears - and it did.

 

[RUNVS]

You'd think he'll have a positive impact on Reid as well.

That is what Swans fans are hoping as well. For the first time in his career Reid will get the second tall defender. It will also in theory allow us to be more flexible with Goodes and give him more time in the midfield.

Was Tippett the perfect option, probably not, but he definitely fills a strong need in the Swans list.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

For me

Jaensch in, Porps out. Jaensch to play half forward.
Mckernan in, Martin out.
Henderson in, MacKay out inj

 

[fairfooty]

That is what Swans fans are hoping as well. For the first time in his career Reid will get the second tall defender. It will also in theory allow us to be more flexible with Goodes and give him more time in the midfield.

Was Tippett the perfect option, probably not, but he definitely fills a strong need in the Swans list.

Good post and good night.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

For me

Jaensch in, Porps out. Jaensch to play half forward.
Mckernan in, Martin out.
Henderson in, MacKay out inj

Jaensch forward is an interesting one.

Kicked those 3 second half goals against Carlton and looked dangerous. Had one game there versus Hawthorn, didn't set the world on fire (13d, 4t, 0.1) and it was abandoned. Surely it was worth another shot given that we have struggled for sooo long for a small forward who can kick goals and provide some decent speed/defensive pressure?

 

[amer]

And this is just the point. We don't even need to know because the decision is an internal one. Nothing to do with the supporters.

No, it's about 20% of the point. Why do you enter these conversations if you can't get your head around them?

 

[amer]

Actually, I don't see any basis for the assumption that fans are entirely rational in their assessments. I don't feel it's that dramatic a claim to suggest that there are posters on this board who have an emotional response against van Berlo as captain, and are incapable of assessing his performance as a captain rationally.

Implicit in a generalisation is the exception. Clearly there are those who won't be rational. But of course, that's not what you're saying. Your suggestion is more egocentric than that.