Preview Changes vs Sydney

[Bicks]

And our treatment of Martin is a disgrace. I hope he leaves for another Club at the end of the year - we haven't destroyed his career; because we haven't even given him the chance to have one.

And I'll go on record he will not picked up by any other AFL team, simply not good enough to be a starting 22 AFL player with any team. Depth player is all he'll ever be, sadly might have been a chance until he did his knee, too much water under the bridge now.

 

[Bicks]

I look forward to Porplyzia confounding his critics this weekend!!

 

[BACCS]

Now you are making things up. I never implied the reason he was dropped because "the club thinks Lyons is shit and not part of our future"

You aren't, but your mates are.

 

[Ravenous Crow]

And I'll go on record he will not picked up by any other AFL team, simply not good enough to be a starting 22 AFL player with any team. Depth player is all he'll ever be, sadly might have been a chance until he did his knee, too much water under the bridge now.

Eh you never know. There are players who don't even enter the AFL system until they are older than Martin is now - and sometimes they succeed.

At this rate it probably will be his last season at Adelaide but I don't think that will mean he's done altogether.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Now you are making things up. I never implied the reason he was dropped because "the club thinks Lyons is shit and not part of our future"

People are though

 

[BACCS]

Haha, the big bad AFC has destroyed Martin's career, righto. The team who gave him a chance through the rookie draft? I guess they were the reason for his 2 knee reconstructions?

Plenty of players better than Martin don't make it at AFL level, shit happens. Sometimes the circumstances aren't right, or they just don't have enough brilliant qualities to keep them in the side on a consistent basis.

I don't mind Martin as a player either. But as a rookie list player, I reckon the club has given him plenty of leniency in staying on the list for 5 years, more than most AFL players ever last.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Where he has gone missing .

You wanted Mackay left out didn't you?

Yep.

Apprenticeship at half forward with stints in the middle is pretty common for a young mid.

 

[BACCS]

Eh you never know. There are players who don't even enter the AFL system until they are older than Martin is now - and sometimes they succeed.

At this rate it probably will be his last season at Adelaide but I don't think that will mean he's done altogether.

Exactly, he may succeed at another club, who knows? I hope he does, because he's gone through some pretty tough times with injury.

 

[Elite Crow]

People are though

Perhaps if you didn't mean me you should have replaced the you'd with others

 

[headache1]

You aren't, but your mates are.

Really?

 

[huludicidal]

I'm not happy with Lyons getting dropped, please point me to where I've been calling for this, or agreed with it? I think he's very stiff to go out before Porps, but his form hasn't been outstanding, and I don't think he was any better than Porps last week (thought they were on par). I have faith he will only be out until after our bye (unless he struggles for the Bays), and Porps would easily be our 22nd picked player this week and is on very thin ice.

Trying to be measured for a moment, do you think Lyons going out and Porps staying in will have any bearing at all on the game?

Lyons would know where his game is at, and he's contracted for another season so he aint going anywhere for a while yet. Sando gave him praise in his PC last week, so the coaches do rate him.

SERIOUSLY?

Porps was absolutely atrocious and watching him closely while at the game his work rate was nothing short of pathetic, and I had Lyons in our best 8 last week. His clearance work was absolutely awesome. One of the better 18 possession games from a midfielder I can recall.

 

[Mismatched]

Yes. Not sure the exact words but on 5AA he spoke about how even players like danger, thommo, vince, etc werent able to stay in the side week in week out when they started and young players need a rest, etc. Then that he would have a rest and be back in in the next couple of weeks

Danger played all bar rounds 19-21 in his 1st full time year, that's 18 games straight. Lyons has played 3-4 in a row and is into his 3rd full time year on our list. Thommo had all sorts of trouble with injuries whilst at Melbourne and Vince wasn't even close to putting in the types of performances Lyons has put in, in his first few years. If this is truly the reason we're running with, I call BS.

Personally I get the feeling that Sando is not a fan of Lyons for whatever reason, a view that is not necessarily shared by all at Westlakes. It seems every time Lyons misses out and Harper gets quizzed, it's a different, vague waffly excuse. On the weekend I felt like we were using Lyons in such a way that we were almost hoping he'd fail, so we'd have an excuse to drop him. For mine Proplyzia and Mackay are very lucky.

 

[huludicidal]

Yes, I'm sure playing Lyons over Porps this week will lead to a premiership next season, at the short term expense of missing finals this year while playing the youngsters. That's your point yeah?

Who gives a shit about age? Players in form deserve to be in the 22. Lyons is in fantastic form. Porps isn't. I couldn't give a toss if Lyons is 18, 21 or 30. Someone playing like he is at present should be in the team over someone playing like Porplyzia. Its not rocket science. And it certainly isn't a 'short term expense' to pick a bloke who is in better form than another bloke.

Lyons has been in our best dozen in the last month, screw the best 22. This is why folks are upset.

 

[huludicidal]

Ask the panel. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, could be a variety of reasons. Anything we say is pure speculation. FWIW, I don't think Lyons should've been omitted but I don't think it's a case of "Lyons is shit and is not apart of our future so lets drop him" like you'd lead us to believe. I do think though its only a matter of time before Mackay & Porps are dropped but I also appreciate what they bring to the side and why they deserve a few chances - Porps especially who I thought was pretty good in patches last week. Reckon he'll step it up again this weekend.

Well there was that 5 second 'patch' where he got the ball, took a few steps and kicked a goal from outside 50.

IMO he was ****ing terrible for the other 119 minutes and 55 seconds. Not only that, anyone who watched him AT THE GAME can tell you that he did not run hard in either direction or bring any intensity to the contest whatsoever. Blind Freddy can see his confidence is shot. I'd love to see him get back to something resembling what he is capable of, but when his workrate is that awful its just taking the piss to keep selecting him. Pretty obvious he'll be in the vest this week regardless - a role which I think he is pretty well suited to as he seems to thrive coming on fresh when the sting is out of the game.

 

[King Elvis]

Porps was terrible last week.

People can defend it all they want, but there is no logical reason for him to be in ahead of Lyons. Not form. Not fitness. Not potential.

If Lyons was a high recruit, people would be raving about him.

I guess he must lack the pace for the AFL again.

Martin has never been given a real opportunity to cement his spot - that's my issue with him. Stop recontracting him if we aren't going to play him. Find out one way or another and make a decision - dont keep him in limbo.

 

[Jack is Back]

Well there was that 5 second 'patch' where he got the ball, took a few steps and kicked a goal from outside 50.

IMO he was ******* terrible for the other 119 minutes and 55 seconds. Not only that, anyone who watched him AT THE GAME can tell you that he did not run hard in either direction or bring any intensity to the contest whatsoever. Blind Freddy can see his confidence is shot. I'd love to see him get back to something resembling what he is capable of, but when his workrate is that awful its just taking the piss to keep selecting him. Pretty obvious he'll be in the vest this week regardless - a role which I think he is pretty well suited to as he seems to thrive coming on fresh when the sting is out of the game.

Last week was the first time I have thought that Porps had lost the speed and intensity to be an above average AFL player. In the last quarter it looked like he was running in treacle. As I said last week (or was it the week before) this is definitely his last, I really mean final, no bullshit this is it, it's now or never chance. If we keep playing him then he must surely play a good game eventually and this would be a great game to see it happen.

As for Jarryd Lyons, those 21 year olds can get pretty tired after a few games of AFL. I presume we will drop Brodie Smith next week and I'm looking forward to Jack Darling having a break when we play the Eagles and Heppell will probably be a late withdrawal tomorrow night.

 

[huludicidal]

Porps was terrible last week.

People can defend it all they want, but there is no logical reason for him to be in ahead of Lyons. Not form. Not fitness. Not potential.

If Lyons was a high recruit, people would be raving about him.

I guess he must lack the pace for the AFL again.

Martin has never been given a real opportunity to cement his spot - that's my issue with him. Stop recontracting him if we aren't going to play him. Find out one way or another and make a decision - dont keep him in limbo.

Last week was the first time I have thought that Porps had lost the speed and intensity to be an above average AFL player. In the last quarter it looked like he was running in treacle. As I said last week (or was it the week before) this is definitely his last, I really mean final, no bullshit this is it, it's now or never chance. If we keep playing him then he must surely play a good game eventually and this would be a great game to see it happen.

As for Jarryd Lyons, those 21 year olds can get pretty tired after a few games of AFL. I presume we will drop Brodie Smith next week and I'm looking forward to Jack Darling having a break when we play the Eagles and Heppell will probably be a late withdrawal tomorrow night.

I couldn't agree more (with both of you).

 

[TARANTULA]

Lyons a late inclusion for Mackay imho.

 

[Glenno23]

Porps was terrible last week.

People can defend it all they want, but there is no logical reason for him to be in ahead of Lyons. Not form. Not fitness. Not potential.

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Goal kicking potential? We have no Tex, no Tiprat, No Callinan.

Porps is a forward who can kick 3-4 goals. Lyons won't be able to do that

Personally I get the feeling that Sando is not a fan of Lyons for whatever reason, a view that is not necessarily shared by all at Westlakes.

That would be odd, as Lyons is so good at the contested ball and clearance work, 2 of Sando's key plays

I don't buy that. I reckon he'll play, for some reason or another, we're playing funny buggers with Sydney

 

[cmndstab]

I don't mind Lyons being out as long as it is truly a refresher, rather than a demotion on form. By which I mean, he should be back in the side almost irrespective of SANFL form in 2-3 weeks (similar to the criteria on Crouch - he still has to perform, but not dominate). No point chucking young, relatively slim players into the engine room and battering them until they can't go anymore. If we are to make it into the finals we'll need Lyons in the crunch part of the season. The Crows (along with most other clubs I would assume) do quite sophisticated testing of a player's wellbeing, keeping track of all number of physical, chemical and mental metrics to see how they are tracking. For young players it's club policy to give them a rest if it starts to dip - and fair enough too. For the more senior players they are given lighter training loads first, and if it doesn't improve they are given a rest as well.

Harper indicates that they expect Lyons to return after a couple of weeks (with no qualifier about him needing to perform at SANFL level, or being dropped on form), so I'm relatively satisfied. As it is, with question marks over both Thompson and Mackay, and Lyons being the obvious replacement, there's a moderate chance he'll play anymore.

Excellent to see Crouch back in, and I'm still a big wrap for Hendo so hopefully he can repay my faith. I'm still far from sold on McKernan but given he was only dropped for weather conditions last week and Martin didn't exactly put a strong case forward (albeit with limited game time) his inclusion makes sense.

 

[jenny61_99]

@Jenny69 and Tex Danger, so which Adelaide official has said he needs a rest? That's just pure speculation you guys are using to justify his non selection.

The fact he's an emergency and we have 2 suspect players is more likely the reason why he hasn't been named for Glenelg rather than needing a rest.

Which is why I said WAIT. It's not rocket science. And whilst you might not think he needs resting - the coach - who knows the kid a little better than you, might think he does.

 

[Sanders]

Uh, you can and you do every day, it's called language.

Your brain has been institutionalised. These are not chemical properties, or measurements, or provable models, but we adopt a like framework to disseminate language to new brains as efficiently as we can. Language is a conception. It's like economy. It is necessarily personal. What the "adjudicators" of language do for you, is they set a broad framework for a tongue, so it translates across distance and between large numbers. And, I mean, it comes with the territory; like religion; like politics; that there develops an inflated sense of position and ownership and all the rest of that. We want to be really particular so we can be authoritative. So you get, and are taught, particulars that, to deviate from, don't mean you're doing anything wrong or no longer using that tongue. That's humans combating insecurity and nurturing ego.

Language is and has always been perpetually transforming - really quickly. To say evolution is an excuse, you're probably thinking of a rate of evolution like our own, physically. Language visibly evolves moment to moment and inherently belongs to masses of individuals, each with their own language economy, some arbitrary, some based on environment and all that comes with that; further still you have colonies, with broad distinctions, and eventually you get global. When a phrase like "australian english" emerges, that tells us we're "wrong" enough now that we can be acknowledged as, well, suddenly right. This is completely, completely arbitrarily decided.

ClayMonk, and others - it's also...incredibly dumb...to police language. Because your contention there, based on the inherent nature of language, is that you own a means of expression that vastly transcends you as a being, and a language that, if you want to adhere to the dictionary's military framework, you would know a few percent of.

I use deitise because I've heard it spoken and seen it in print on enough occasions, to consider it usable, and understandable. I note that those who complained understood it too. But please, continue telling me how I'm...aheh..."wrong", and how I need to wait for my "word payout" from the government of language.

God forbid if any one among you expressed themselves a a human, a free thinker, as opposed to a brainless product of the great machine.

Anyway my changes:

In: Crouch

Out: Martin

Reilly the sub. Or drop him. But we won't do that.

What the **** are you smoking?

 

[Wood_Duck]

Yep.

Apprenticeship at half forward with stints in the middle is pretty common for a young mid.

Our half forward line has been a bit of an abyss over the years. We've actually struggled to find blokes to master that position regularly. Lyons certainly ain't the first young mid to go missing a bit when 'resting' at half forward.

 

[Godallblighty]

Think you'll find one of Mackay or Thompson won't play and Lyons will.

Lyons a late inclusion for Mackay imho.

Gut feel? Or inside info?

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

I have been told that Lyons is likely to play on Saturday. Hopefully that'll keep a few of you grumps happy.