Phantom Draft Chris25's 2011 Mock Draft

[BigCat2]

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totally disagree brisbanes need for small forwards and quick mids who can use the ball far outweigh "best available" unless its one of the types i mentioned

obviously not hoping for a tambling franklin situation of course

We clearly have different opinions here. Really at the moment we have gaps everywhere on our playing list - apart from perhaps in & unders midfielders, but you wouldn't say no to a young Joel Selwood or Daniel Rich either.

We do lack quick mids - but don't forget our top picks from our past 2 drafts (Callum Bartlett, Jared Polec) have played 0 & 3 games respectively. They should feature heavily next year. Josh Green is another pacey midfielder, as well as being a good extractor. Banfield and Hanley should also see more time in the midfield.

No doubt we need some quality small forwards. Problem is, unless you have a Cyril Rioli type, they're really hard to pick. Also, unless you can see them potentially playing midfield one day, it's hard to justify spending early picks on them while ignoring other areas.

Don't get me wrong - quick small forwards who apply pressure are so important these days in the forward press, as well as to provide alternate avenues to goal. However some of the best small forwards have come from late picks or the rookie draft.

 

[Chris25]

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Made a few changes to the three rounds, but I also added descriptions and player comparisons for the first round. More will eventually come.

 

[Yoda_]

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as much as I love your intelect Chris, dont think Essendon need what you have listed. Last year we certainly got our fix for defenders with the introduction of Heppell, Luke Davis, Michael Ross (been showing some signs as a running half back), whilst the rediscovery of Courtenay Dempsey (before injury), the form of Michael Hibberd and the availability of Hurley, Pears and Hooker and we seem to certainly be building a nice back half group.

Whilst you list Taylor Adams as a nice pick up, is he able to play both inside and outside as well as each other? Essendon are really starting to overflow with inside midfielders now. Watson, Hocking, Howlett, Melksham and the likes of Mcveigh and Zaka going through has certainly given us a boost in this department, would like to get some more nice outside midfielders to take over from our bit part flankers like Monfries, Jetta, Reimers.

Essendon would be looking at outside midfielders, a small forward (probably in the rookie draft thought), and possibly a tall forward and ruckmen (both also in the rookie draft perhaps).

So yeah, just on a couple of selections, been looking more and more at Luke Brown, certainly think he is going to surprise a few people how early he will be selected.

Might be able to help me out a little bit, what has Jimmy Webster (Tasmania) done differently this year to last year? Seems like a good fit for Essendon? Outside running machine with ok skills.

Thanks bud

 

[docker_champ29]

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Interesting that you included Hill in the national draft. Do you think that is very likely too happen? Do you realy believe he is worthy? Or did you mainly just include him because of a certain brother?

 

[Chris25]

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as much as I love your intelect Chris, dont think Essendon need what you have listed.

I think Adams is as good a midfielder as Essendon could hope for in the first round. Quality inside midfielder, which would allow the likes of Melksham and Zaharakis to rotate through different positions. Adams can play forward, and I see no reason he couldn't play outside. Might not be the quickest, but he wins the ball so should offer a link up.

The selection of Ellis I did make deliberately for Essendon. Even with all the players you listed, I still think you could use a proper shut down medium/small defender. Ellis could be developed into that or a runner further up the field. But with the exception of Hibberd, I prefer the others you listed as rebounding types.

Morris is a mature aged player, and one I really wanted to include in the draft. He is much as an outside runner as a defender, so he could definitely be played up on a wing.

After watching Bendigo on the weekend, I have faith in Steinberg, Gumbleton, Carlisle and to a lesser extent Jenkins. So I'm OK with the Essendon talls.

Interesting that you included Hill in the national draft. Do you think that is very likely too happen? Do you realy believe he is worthy? Or did you mainly just include him because of a certain brother?

I think someone will take him, his brother definitely helps. Doesn't have the raw talent of Stephen, but is a good ball winner.

I honestly have no idea where to place Hill. I want him to be up there, but I don't know if that is just my Fremantle bias. His form has definitely improved as the season has gone on though. If someone was to take him, I would hope it's us.

 

[Balony_pony16]

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Nice update and great read

With brissie i see dyson right in the lions sight...reminds me of a n lappin.

But considering the recent committment of rich, harwood, and polec....perhaps the lions will focus on sorting out our waekness down back with buntine or x factor forward with crozier?

 

[docker_champ29]

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If someone was to take him, I would hope it's us.

So do I.

 

[Jonts]

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Chris

WHat influence does having good games for the lads local sides have on them being drafter/being drafter higher now that the champs are down and dusted?

Would most clubs have a fair idea of the best 50 or so and then there would be slight changes due to individual games?

What influences do they interviews that they have with the draftee's have?

What chance is there of Dyson going to port with pick 4? probably one of my favourite mids in this draft behind Wingard. Also What are the chances of Greene slipping to Port?

I've heard on other forums on BF lack of KPD depth in the draft suggests the KPD will go higher up? is this true or will the stay around the same they would any other draft?

Thanks

 

[dlanod]

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I'm no Chris, but didn't Heppell rocket up the rankings last year because of a great finish to the TAC season rather than any performance in the championships?

 

[WALL-e]

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Heppell went up during the year due to him showing his ability in the TAC Cup. At the start of the year he didn't have many 'stand out' features. By the end of the year he'd established himself as a very good ball winner, user and decision maker thanks to prolonged time in the middle for Gippy.

 

[Chris25]

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Chris

WHat influence does having good games for the lads local sides have on them being drafter/being drafter higher now that the champs are down and dusted?

Would most clubs have a fair idea of the best 50 or so and then there would be slight changes due to individual games?

What influences do they interviews that they have with the draftee's have?

What chance is there of Dyson going to port with pick 4? probably one of my favourite mids in this draft behind Wingard. Also What are the chances of Greene slipping to Port?

I've heard on other forums on BF lack of KPD depth in the draft suggests the KPD will go higher up? is this true or will the stay around the same they would any other draft?

Thanks

OK, let's see...

Performances after the Championships can have quite an influence on the draft. Like others have mentioned, Heppell came back to his TAC Cup side and started dominating matches. For non-Victorians, a late season debut in their league side is pretty big too.

I would imagine that by this stage, most recruiters would have narrowed their list down to a specific number and scouts would now be tasked with watching certain players. While late form could see others come under discussion, changes would largely be players moving up and down the list.

Interviews at the Draft Combine are probably the biggest remaining challenge, and would have more of an impact than testing. Rioli is the usual example, and I know Fremantle place a heavy emphasis on intelligence. Mark Williams was also famous for having difficult interviews.

Dyson could definitely head to Port, whether that is pick 4 or 6 or maybe even 8 if you can win some more games. Midfield probably has to be your pick, unless you did take the punt on Longer. But Hoskin-Elliot, Grigg, Tyson and Kavanagh would all likely be talked about. Greene I think would be unlikely to last until your second round pick.

I don't know about the KPD's. Hard to say whether teams looking for needs will reach early, or if they hope for the best later on. Guys like Raikiwasa, Tomlinson, Frost and Richards wouldn't be second rounders in a stronger draft. But I can see teams seeing something they like about a player, and taking the chance on them earlier than they might otherwise do.

 

[LuKe2428]

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I dont think Richmond are at the stage yet where we can take a punt with our first round pick. If a Crozier type player was at our second pick i'd take it as we have a need for a player like him since Morton and Taylor haven't kicked on from last year. I'm hoping Hoskin-Elliot get's through to our pick but i doubt it. Otherwise we just go best avalable. Would i be correst in saying the next 5-10 after the first 3 sound like they could be thrown in a hat, then which-ever one you get you would be happy with after that it dies off?

 

[Chris25]

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Added in some more descriptions and player comparisons, finished the second round. I've been trying to use a different player for each comparison, unlike the draftees themselves who say they all resemble Nick Riewoldt.

 

[borrat]

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whats your opinion on nick maric???

would love him at brisbane

 

[Mrs Mercuri]

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Because of how poor the draft pool is this year do you think a lot more mature aged players or delisted players will be picked up in the draft instead??

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

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Added in some more descriptions and player comparisons, finished the second round. I've been trying to use a different player for each comparison, unlike the draftees themselves who say they all resemble Nick Riewoldt.

Chris why do you have Fraser Mc'Innes so late in the draft ?
He's top 25 at this stage and may end up higher, and I can Guarantee you Freo through Brad Lloyd have been speaking to him.

He will been playing for Perth senior side this weekend as well in the WAFL.

Personally would love WCE to use there first pick on him, as he is a quality defender.

 

[Chris25]

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I agree with pretty much everything you said actually.

I'm well aware that McInnes will go much higher than what I have him, and I'm also well aware that he deserves to go higher (and he will with my next major update, at the moment I'm just focusing on descriptions). Pleased to hear that after some injury problems, he will get to make his senior debut soon too.

But everyone is biased in some way, and I have a somewhat unusual bias against KPPs over about 195cm. The last couple of draft groups have been impressive in that regard, and I'm slowly coming around to them. But apart from athletic freaks like Franklin and Fletcher, the majority are just plain average or as inconsistent as they come.

 

[gotassieboys]

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as much as I love your intelect Chris, dont think Essendon need what you have listed. Last year we certainly got our fix for defenders with the introduction of Heppell, Luke Davis, Michael Ross (been showing some signs as a running half back), whilst the rediscovery of Courtenay Dempsey (before injury), the form of Michael Hibberd and the availability of Hurley, Pears and Hooker and we seem to certainly be building a nice back half group.

Whilst you list Taylor Adams as a nice pick up, is he able to play both inside and outside as well as each other? Essendon are really starting to overflow with inside midfielders now. Watson, Hocking, Howlett, Melksham and the likes of Mcveigh and Zaka going through has certainly given us a boost in this department, would like to get some more nice outside midfielders to take over from our bit part flankers like Monfries, Jetta, Reimers.

Essendon would be looking at outside midfielders, a small forward (probably in the rookie draft thought), and possibly a tall forward and ruckmen (both also in the rookie draft perhaps).

So yeah, just on a couple of selections, been looking more and more at Luke Brown, certainly think he is going to surprise a few people how early he will be selected.

Might be able to help me out a little bit, what has Jimmy Webster (Tasmania) done differently this year to last year? Seems like a good fit for Essendon? Outside running machine with ok skills.

Thanks bud

Jimmy has had a bad run with injuries this year. Has had shin splints which has restricted his game time with Mariners and Glenorchy.
Will be interested how he plays out the 2011 season with Glenorchy and if he gets an invite to the draft camp.
Probably a chance to be drafted/rookie.

 

[Chris25]

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Finished adding descriptions and player comparisons for the third round.

Because of how poor the draft pool is this year do you think a lot more mature aged players or delisted players will be picked up in the draft instead??

I don't necessarily think more mature aged players will get picked up, but I do think that clubs will take less picks into the draft. So with teams looking inevitably looking to take a mature aged player or two, there could be comparatively more than in previous years.

 

[chinggis77]

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Want Fraser McInnes to Freo. Make it happen Brad.

If its out of McInnes and Kersten I hope we go McInnes. For some reason I have a nagging fear that Kersten has a bit of Mat Panos in him. He's better no doubt, but seems a little one dimensional like Panos was. McInnes will be a decent to very good CHB/utility IMO.

 

[Chris25]

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I like Kersten a lot. He is a much stronger player than Panos, and he has excellent speed. Those two things alone make him a much more versatile player than Panos, who is just your lead and mark forward.

Missing the Championships was really unfortunate for Kersten though, I really wanted to see more of him and I really want to see him not necessarily dominate the scoreboard but get 15+ possessions in a game. I reckon he could definitely be a Jack Riewoldt type full forward.

 

[Jonts]

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Do you think port will have to se a 4th or 5th round for the FS Schwarce?

 

[Chris25]

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Hard to say really, because it all depends on how many picks each club takes into the draft and then what they have to bid with. At this stage, I would say you're right in saying 4th/5th.

Schwarz is a good size for an inside midfielder, and has obviously shown that he is a genuine ball winner. I'm a big fan of height in midfielders, and although 184cm isn't tall by any means, it is compared to similar midfielders on offer. So that alone could perhaps push him up to the 4th round, but considering how early your picks are going to be I'd imagine Port will be wanting to use their final pick on him. Whatever happens, I think he is a solid player.

 

[Chris25]

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I added a fourth round, with descriptions and player comparisons.

I treated it a little differently though, and used it more to just get some other names out there. Focused mainly on SA and WA, with quite a few mature aged players, as they might not get the same attention as Victorian players.

 

[BarneyBent]

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Jarrod Witts will surely go earlier than that? You'd expect other teams to at least make Collingwood use a 3rd rounder.

EDIT: Unless the bidding system only applies for Academy players, but I thought they were for Scholarship players as well....