Clarkson 2.0 Vs Lyon 3.0

[lewdogs]

Oh the rejection! - one who is embroiled in god knows what & the other who is too far up himself to go through a hiring process!

We dodged a bullet in both cases.

The process he is going through is almost identical to Scott. You interviewed heaps of people then Scott puts his hand up does one interview and then got the job. This obsession with process is really strange it seems almost insulting to interview people that have no chance of actually getting the job.

 

[MickG88]

Both Lyon and Clarkson are defence first coaches (Lyon to an extreme).

They may both need to adapt to modern offensive football.. and that will decide a lot.

So Chris Scott and John Longmire aren't defense first?

 

[MickG88]

Oh the rejection! - one who is embroiled in god knows what & the other who is too far up himself to go through a hiring process!

We dodged a bullet in both cases.

If you listen to what Ross Lyon said, he was talking about how he thought essendon didnt have a cohesive front office and didn't want to go through fixing it. Not that he didn't want to go through the process, more about not wanting to go to a rabble of a club.

 

[Progressive Aggresion]

The only way you can close in on success with Lyon is if you have a reliable forward line that can function on its own. Pav & Riewoldt were captains on top of being elite level forwards so that certainly helped. It'll be interesting to see if Max King

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receives a leadership responsibility of some kind under Ross.

His defence first mindset means that the forward line needs to perform well in isolation, and entrust their own formation more than the quality of the delivery they receive. Only Ken Hinkley coaches worse forward conversion than Ross Lyon.

Unfortunately for the Saints, their forward line relies a bit too much on too few, and some of those few (E.g Butler & Higgins) pick and choose when they actually feel like playing AFL, so inconsistency on top of general inaccuracy makes it look slightly nightmarish on paper.

It's a very different Saints team compared to the one he abandoned.

 

[Sky]

Oh the rejection! - one who is embroiled in god knows what & the other who is too far up himself to go through a hiring process!

We dodged a bullet in both cases.

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you.

Right now in 2022 I’d prefer Brad Scott who took an average team to two prelims over a 4x premiership winning racist and a 3x (4x) grand final loser that has issues with women.

 

[rumply]

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you.

Right now in 2022 I’d prefer Brad Scott who took an average team to two prelims over a 4x premiership winning racist and a 3x (4x) grand final loser that has issues with women.

It's probably the GF euphoria still clouding your judgement

But seriously, while Brad may well not be the answer, I genuinely believe we are better off without either of the other 2. I never wanted either at any point & plenty of others (correctly) feel the same way.

 

[Sky]

It's probably the GF euphoria still clouding your judgement

But seriously, while Brad may well not be the answer, I genuinely believe we are better off without either of the other 2. I never wanted either at any point & plenty of others (correctly) feel the same way.

No euphoria and as much as I liked to rag on Brad Scott during his time at NM the facts now show he did better than most others wouldve at North. If he was coaching St Kilda he would’ve taken their average list to finals this year based off the first half of the season.

Worst case scenario he’s another Ken Hinkley. Essendon is a bigger club than North and can actually attract players. You’ll eventually win your first final in years under Brad Scott unless you sack him quickly like the previous guy.

 

[WillHayward]

Just don't let Ross any where near recruitment and list mgt.

He will trade away all your draft picks for 29 yo role players.

Need someone strong to tell him to gagf if he tries to meddle in that area.

 

[se17enteen]

Both were such good coaches their former clubs paid them $1m to not coach for a year.


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[lewdogs]

Both were such good coaches their former clubs paid them $1m to not coach for a year.


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You genuinely think Lyon is no good? The only coach to ever get you to a grand final. Which you probably should have won if not for the wastefulness of the players.

 

[Percel]

Both treat women terribly.

Your coach, your environment

Why did you foster such behaviour?

 

[windyhill]

I just hope he doesn’t break the supporters hearts again like last time.

 

[Osho]

It will be extremely interesting watching Ross in 2023. He mentioned leg speed and the Saints game plan ... already a bit of a change there versus his old MO. There was certainly a sense of restraint and self suffocation about the Saints in 22. Would be good to see them let it all hang out, more carefree.

And kick straight.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you.

Right now in 2022 I’d prefer Brad Scott who took an average team to two prelims over a 4x premiership winning racist and a 3x (4x) grand final loser that has issues with women.

You would be very stupid if you preferred brad Scott

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

No Process Ross v/s No Process Clarko interesting most other successful coaching positions are the result of a selection process yet Rossco backed out when advised he has to participate.


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Both went through a selection process.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It will be extremely interesting watching Ross in 2023. He mentioned leg speed and the Saints game plan ... already a bit of a change there versus his old MO. There was certainly a sense of restraint and self suffocation about the Saints in 22. Would be good to see them let it all hang out, more carefree.

And kick straight.

There is literally zero chance that a Lyon coached team will be 'carefree' in any way.

 

[threesixpio]

The love for Lyons has always baffled me.

 

[Jetafl]

 

[threesixpio]

Again …?

 

[rumply]

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Ross Lyon and the St Kilda ‘brains trust’ are eerily perfect for one another.

Both are delusional, Group 1 bullshit artists who’ve each fallen so far behind in the race they actually think they’re winning.

 

[Osho]

There is literally zero chance that a Lyon coached team will be 'carefree' in any way.

Literally!
ROAR!

 

[WCErevival]

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[Jetafl]

Ross Lyon 3.0 is the same person as 2.0

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Literally!
ROAR!

Yes, literally.

You complete scrotum.

 

[Sky]

I’d back in either Hardwick, Goodwin or C Scott to get 5 premierships as coach before Saints win another flag.