Could some teams do with a bit of re-branding?

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I'm up for a logo change.

The current Essendon one looks outdated also it's tarnished by the drugs saga a new logo will bring a fresh look and a new chapter in the clubs history.

 

[Colonial]

"Greater" Western Sydney was used so they can "get away" with claiming that Canberra games are still genuine home games.
As if Canberra is really part of Sydney's metro area. ::rolls eyes::
I thought the whole idea of a second Sydney side was to ensure a game in the Sydney metro area every week.
Either play all home games at Homebush or just move to Canberra full time and be done with it.
Selling home games to another market are for crowded Melbourne sides to stay afloat, not for expansion sides.

We have a 10 year contract so ummm no.

 

[Riccardo11]

"Greater" Western Sydney was used so they can "get away" with claiming that Canberra games are still genuine home games.
As if Canberra is really part of Sydney's metro area. ::rolls eyes::
I thought the whole idea of a second Sydney side was to ensure a game in the Sydney metro area every week.
Either play all home games at Homebush or just move to Canberra full time and be done with it.
Selling home games to another market are for crowded Melbourne sides to stay afloat, not for expansion sides.

Given this particular expansion franchise has had trouble drawing a home crowd and staying afloat itself thusfar, it's actually a pretty smart idea to diversify its market and set itself us as a franchise in a distinctly separate area to the Sydney metro, where people would likely be dyed in the wool Swans supporters if they are anything. It's what the second WA side did when they entered the competition, and Port played up their history as an existing side (despite a rebrand) to appeal to those who loved them in the SANFL when they had to share a city with the Crows.

I am not a massive far of the new franchises, but playing in Canberra is far from their dumbest move.

 

[whattagun07]

Just sponsor the names out

Coca cola magpies
Libra hawks

That sort of thing

If a team were to be named after a cola company, surely Sydney have dibs

 

[Del80659]

Port are trying to get rid of the teal from their colours

we are?

 

[JackFlash]

Before you begin the push to 'Stone' me, i am well aware this ain't going to be popular!

1) Southern Saints - no alteration to colours, logo or nickname. St.Kilda named dumped!
Is Moorabbin a possibility to play at least 3 games?

2) Ballarat "Western" Bulldogs - Home games in Ballarat with at least 3 back at Western Oval?

3) West Sydney Giants - Dump the "Greater Western Sydney Giants" mouthful, it's way too long.
Shorten the name, change the colours (predominantly sky blue with some green and white) and resonate more with the people of Western Sydney by dumping the worst colour combination outside of Hawthorn i have ever seen any sporting team adopt in history!

4) Melbourne - Return the guernsey to it's original look with a pointy red yoke.
Scrap that horrible white away strip. Melbourne colours are red and blue.

5) Brisbane - Play all away games in Melbourne in the 1960's Fitzroy strip. Conduct Melbourne training sessions at Brunswick st oval. Many Melbourne based Lions fans have switched allegiance in recent years.

6) Carlton - A massive campaign is required to win back fans who have left them in droves, they must push for a return to at least 4 maybe 5 home games at Princes Park. It was insane to leave there in the first place and IMO was the catalyst for more than a decade long on field downturn.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

"Greater" Western Sydney was used so they can "get away" with claiming that Canberra games are still genuine home games.
As if Canberra is really part of Sydney's metro area. ::rolls eyes::
I thought the whole idea of a second Sydney side was to ensure a game in the Sydney metro area every week.
Either play all home games at Homebush or just move to Canberra full time and be done with it.
Selling home games to another market are for crowded Melbourne sides to stay afloat, not for expansion sides.

Absolute crap. Greater Western Sydney as a name NEVER had anything to do with Canberra. It has everything to do with the fact that large numbers of people who live in the greater west do not consider themselves in Western Sydney.

Ask someone from the Hills, the Hawkesbury, the South West, the North West , Macarthur, or the Blue Mountains if they live in Western Sydney and the answer would be an emphatic "HELL NO".
Ask the same person if they live in Greater Western Sydney and they would answer "Well, yes"

The Hills district in particular has always been a bit of an Aussie Rules stronghold and they certainly do not consider themselves to live in Western Sydney.

The name had bugger all to do with Canberra.

 

[Colonial]

3) West Sydney Giants - Dump the "Greater Western Sydney Giants" mouthful, it's way too long.
Shorten the name, change the colours (predominantly sky blue with some green and white) and resonate more with the people of Western Sydney by dumping the worst colour combination outside of Hawthorn i have ever seen any sporting team adopt in history!
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Ummm no. West Sydney sounds terrible. And has no justification. I can see why you want our club to be blue and white. But why green?

how many times. We arent NSW so taking the state colour would not be a good idea

Basically its a no across the board on that one. Terrible

 

[Proper Gander]

1) Southern Saints - no alteration to colours, logo or nickname. St.Kilda named dumped!
Is Moorabbin a possibility to play at least 3 games?

What's your thinking here? Is the idea to change the name of St Kilda so people get mixed up and think it is a whole new team and accidently start supporting them?

 

[Riccardo11]

Before you begin the push to 'Stone' me, i am well aware this ain't going to be popular!

1) Southern Saints - no alteration to colours, logo or nickname. St.Kilda named dumped!
Is Moorabbin a possibility to play at least 3 games?

2) Ballarat "Western" Bulldogs - Home games in Ballarat with at least 3 back at Western Oval?

3) West Sydney Giants - Dump the "Greater Western Sydney Giants" mouthful, it's way too long.
Shorten the name, change the colours (predominantly sky blue with some green and white) and resonate more with the people of Western Sydney by dumping the worst colour combination outside of Hawthorn i have ever seen any sporting team adopt in history!

4) Melbourne - Return the guernsey to it's original look with a pointy red yoke.
Scrap that horrible white away strip. Melbourne colours are red and blue.

5) Brisbane - Play all away games in Melbourne in the 1960's Fitzroy strip. Conduct Melbourne training sessions at Brunswick st oval. Many Melbourne based Lions fans have switched allegiance in recent years.

6) Carlton - A massive campaign is required to win back fans who have left them in droves, they must push for a return to at least 4 maybe 5 home games at Princes Park. It was insane to leave there in the first place and IMO was the catalyst for more than a decade long on field downturn.

Ignoring your obsessive and utterly unsupportable campaign for St Kilda to change it's name, there is literally no way Moorabbin can host any AFL games right now. It is literally not even VFL standard, which is why there is no St Kilda reserves right now. Princes Park is in better condition, but will never be an AFL venue again, largely due to the training venue behind the goals taking away a lot of the already limited capacity. FWIW, it was never "insane" to leave PP, it's not an AFL standard venue anymore,. and wasn't for almost the entire decade prior to it's retirement (have you even been there?)

Brisbane play as many games as they can in Melbourne in their Fitzroy jumper already, but there are these things call jumper clashes. Ditto Melbournes white strip, they are needed. Not sure how logistically possible it is to train at Brunswick St, you'd have to ask the council/cricket club/Fitzroy FC.

GWS has invested a huge amount of time and money into their brand, there is literally no reason to change it, the fans like it, it's unique and to dump it now and rebrand after less than 5 years would be an utter disaster.

WB may eventually play some games in Ballarat, but, once again, if they are to be based there the oval will need some work to bring it up to standard. You are also forgetting you can't force a club to relocate, it would likely be more a Hawthorn/Tasmania situation. Western Oval is, once again, an utter no go for AFL games. The suburban venues are long past their used by date in the AFL and would need way too much work dismantling the training structures and bringing them up to AFL standard. As much as I'd love it, it's not 1976 anymore, there is a reason those venues are finished.

 

[Riccardo11]

What's your thinking here? Is the idea to change the name of St Kilda so people get mixed up and think it is a whole new team and accidently start supporting them?

There is no "thought" behind this claim that St Kilda will inevitably die unless it rebrands. Believe me, I have asked numerous times.

 

[Back One Out]

6) Carlton - A massive campaign is required to win back fans who have left them in droves

The word "Blues" is synonymous with depression (Beyond Blue, Monday morning blues, etc), or the downtrodden (NewOrleans/Memphis Blues.) Or it's a colloquialism for making mistakes. e.g. "Oh no! Carrazzo made another blue!"

Let's face it: the Blues is not an inspiring nickname. They need a new one, IMO. Some rebranding.
How about the Carlton Campaigners? People probably identify with that as a nickname more than the Blues.
Look at their mascot, for instance:

When people see him, they don't think "Oh look! There goes a Blue!"
They think, "Check out that Campaigner!"

 

[Power Raid]

I can't wait for port to change their embarrassing logo

 

[Balance]

Ummm no. West Sydney sounds terrible. And has no justification.

There is nothing to suggest people like "Greater Western" as opposed to west or western. On the other hand, we have "Western Sydney" Wanderers, people like the name and the club offield, has been very successful.

GWS posters here have been saying that anything other than "greater western" sounds bad and has no justification...!? Do the Wanderers fans care where they're from specifically? What sort of BS market research did those responsible do, in order to come up with "Greater"? How much research did the A-League do in order to come up with the name "Western Sydney"? They must be laughing!

Which was more of an unknown, that "Greater" would be more successful or something logical? This is insanity, I don't even know how else to put it, there's so much double-speak in your posts I can't even fathom.

 

[Colonial]

There is nothing to suggest people like "Greater Western" as opposed to west or western. On the other hand, we have "Western Sydney" Wanderers, people like the name and the club offield, has been very successful.

You have been saying the same thing in every post, that anything other than "greater western" sounds bad and has no justification...!? Do the Wanderers fans care where they're from specifically? What sort of BS market research did those responsible do, in order to come up with "Greater"? How much research did the A-League do in order to come up with the name "Western Sydney"? They must be laughing!

Which was more of an unknown, that "Greater" would be more successful or something logical? This is insanity, I don't even know how else to put it, there's so much double-speak in your posts I can't even fathom.

Actually no i havent. I have said West or Wests Sydney Giants is worse than Greater Western Sydney. Would i mind if they ditched the Greater part. No. But I have no problems with the name at all.

More market research than the West or Wests Sydney idea.

Maybe as someone who just hates our club should probably not to justify themselves by bagging our name. It makes you even more foolish than being a "power" fan

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

I can't wait for port to change their embarrassing logo

Be careful what you wish for...

Behold!

Ugh.

 

[Riccardo11]

The word "Blues" is synonymous with depression (Beyond Blue, Monday morning blues, etc), or the downtrodden (NewOrleans/Memphis Blues.) Or it's a colloquialism for making mistakes. e.g. "Oh no! Carrazzo made another blue!"

Let's face it: the Blues is not an inspiring nickname. They need a new one, IMO. Some rebranding.
How about the Carlton Campaigners? People probably identify with that as a nickname more than the Blues.
Look at their mascot, for instance:

When people see him, they don't think "Oh look! There goes a Blue!"
They think, "Check out that Campaigner!"

Shockingly they are called The Blues because...............................they wear blue! It's a fairly standard nickname around the world, even a countries national teams use it.

IMHO, it's hardly the least inspiring thing about them (that's the song), but introducing a new mascot now would do absolutely nothing, nobody would probably use it anyway (they tried a Cockatoo in the 30s, and were sometimes the Butchers in the VFA).

 

[Back One Out]

Shockingly they are called The Blues because...............................they wear blue! It's a fairly standard nickname around the world, even a countries national teams use it.

IMHO, it's hardly the least inspiring thing about them (that's the song), but introducing a new mascot now would do absolutely nothing, nobody would probably use it anyway (they tried a Cockatoo in the 30s, and were sometimes the Butchers in the VFA).

I was just kidding.

 

[JackFlash]

Ummm no. West Sydney sounds terrible. And has no justification. I can see why you want our club to be blue and white. But why green?

how many times. We arent NSW so taking the state colour would not be a good idea

Basically its a no across the board on that one. Terrible

why green? It would just be the trim. No doubt NRL fans would go ballistic at the thought of an Aussie Rules team taking their state colours, so a subtle green and white addition to an all sky blue might offset it.
It won't happen of course.

 

[JackFlash]

There is nothing to suggest people like "Greater Western" as opposed to west or western. On the other hand, we have "Western Sydney" Wanderers, people like the name and the club offield, has been very successful.

GWS posters here have been saying that anything other than "greater western" sounds bad and has no justification...!? Do the Wanderers fans care where they're from specifically? What sort of BS market research did those responsible do, in order to come up with "Greater"? How much research did the A-League do in order to come up with the name "Western Sydney"? They must be laughing!

Which was more of an unknown, that "Greater" would be more successful or something logical? This is insanity, I don't even know how else to put it, there's so much double-speak in your posts I can't even fathom.

Western Sydney Wanderers has a nice ring to it. I see no reason why it couldn't be Western Sydney Giants. What else would you call them?

 

[Adzam]

Be careful what you wish for...

Behold!

Ugh.

It reminds me of like an old school NBL logo. A bit cheesy but I actually quite like it

 

[JackFlash]

Ignoring your obsessive and utterly unsupportable campaign for St Kilda to change it's name, there is literally no way Moorabbin can host any AFL games right now. It is literally not even VFL standard, which is why there is no St Kilda reserves right now. Princes Park is in better condition, but will never be an AFL venue again, largely due to the training venue behind the goals taking away a lot of the already limited capacity. FWIW, it was never "insane" to leave PP, it's not an AFL standard venue anymore,. and wasn't for almost the entire decade prior to it's retirement (have you even been there?)

Brisbane play as many games as they can in Melbourne in their Fitzroy jumper already, but there are these things call jumper clashes. Ditto Melbournes white strip, they are needed. Not sure how logistically possible it is to train at Brunswick St, you'd have to ask the council/cricket club/Fitzroy FC.

GWS has invested a huge amount of time and money into their brand, there is literally no reason to change it, the fans like it, it's unique and to dump it now and rebrand after less than 5 years would be an utter disaster.

WB may eventually play some games in Ballarat, but, once again, if they are to be based there the oval will need some work to bring it up to standard. You are also forgetting you can't force a club to relocate, it would likely be more a Hawthorn/Tasmania situation. Western Oval is, once again, an utter no go for AFL games. The suburban venues are long past their used by date in the AFL and would need way too much work dismantling the training structures and bringing them up to AFL standard. As much as I'd love it, it's not 1976 anymore, there is a reason those venues are finished.

I differ on Princes Park, i went there in 2004. I have probably been there on at least 30 or 40 occasions. It was in better shape than KP in 2004. The Blues signed off on a terrible deal and it has come to bit them on the arse.
I am non believer in jumper clashes that force teams to wear WHITE, it's utter BS.
The Saints are on a road to nowhere unless they make radical change. My bet is they won't be called St.Kilda within 5 years!

GWS is a horrible brand, they look awful and are almost unremarkable in NSW. It will fail within 5 years unless they re-brand. 6,940 members only in 2015....WTF?
The Dogs are progressive and are looking to the future, they are light years ahead of the Saints with there branding and possible Ballarat plan. These teams like the Bulldosg and Blues cannot afford to keep losing money hand over fist by playing at Etihad all the time.

Brunswick street oval is a community oval, surely the Lions could appear there on their trips to Melbourne.

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

It reminds me of like an old school NBL logo. A bit cheesy but I actually quite like it

It looks like a Raptor, that's why it reminds you of NBA.

It also looks like Sonic the Hedgehog, which is why you think it's "old school".

It's an abomination.

 

[JackFlash]

I'm saying that the Saints have the opportunity to have the entire Southern area of Melbourne for themselves right down to the peninsula. St.Kilda means nothing now, they are not going back to the Junction Oval so re- brand and try and secure the clubs future by attracting 60,000 - 70,000 members. Currently the Saints sit at 27,413 in 2015.

 

[Proper Gander]

I'm saying that the Saints have the opportunity to have the entire Southern area of Melbourne for themselves right down to the peninsula. St.Kilda means nothing now, they are not going back to the Junction Oval so re- brand and try and secure the clubs future by attracting 60,000 - 70,000 members. Currently the Saints sit at 27,413 in 2015.

Do you include Port Melbourne in Southern area? Ew! Hope not. I live in Port Melbourne! I could end up walled up in Saints!