Deadly serious David Warner out thread

[Coops93]

How about in sub continent countries and perhaps England (so pretty much everywhere away ) he bats down the order a bit.

Obviously the newish ball spinning and getting more bounce he can't handle, and also the seam/swing movement in England he's not great. If he comes in later the bounce and sharp turn won't be as pronounced on the subcontinent and the new ball will have run its course in England. Maybe bring him in at 5. Khawaja/Marsh to open (not that I rate Marsh, but he will ALWAYS be given a go)

He's too talented to not have in the side and averages 48 even with his poor run of form. I think it should be about how to make him effective elsewhere rather than just bin him.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How about in sub continent countries and perhaps England (so pretty much everywhere away ) he bats down the order a bit.

Obviously the newish ball spinning and getting more bounce he can't handle, and also the seam/swing movement in England he's not great. If he comes in later the bounce and sharp turn won't be as pronounced on the subcontinent and the new ball will have run its course in England. Maybe bring him in at 5. Khawaja/Marsh to open (not that I rate Marsh, but he will ALWAYS be given a go)

He's too talented to not have in the side and averages 48 even with his poor run of form. I think it should be about how to make him effective elsewhere rather than just bin him.

Rather take a punt on Bancroft and Renshaw opening overseas. At least I know Bancroft will value his wicket. Been in good form late in the Shield season. We can move on from Marsh I think.

 

[Coops93]

Rather take a punt on Bancroft and Renshaw opening overseas. At least I know Bancroft will value his wicket. Been in good form late in the Shield season. We can move on from Marsh I think.

I agree, Bancroft would give us more in the field as well.

I only mentioned Marsh as he always seems to get picked. Not because I actually want him there. I'd love to see Bancroft get a go, but Khawaja has runs on the board and (at least in my opinion) has been hard done by again. Imagine having a test average of 48 yet still being forced to make way for Marsh.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I agree, Bancroft would give us more in the field as well.

I only mentioned Marsh as he always seems to get picked. Not because I actually want him there. I'd love to see Bancroft get a go, but Khawaja has runs on the board and (at least in my opinion) has been hard done by again. Imagine having a test average of 48 yet still being forced to make way for Marsh.

I understood the Marsh selection initially, but time after time he fails, he averages about 10 against India or whatever it is now. I'd like Khawaja at 3.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Yes agreed, he should be dropped for the 4th Test and never picked for the sub continent ever again. Warner has no idea away from home.

4 hundreds and 14 50s away from home. He got hid away average to 41 before a diabolical 2 Tests against NZ, average series against Sri Lanka at best, and a shit loads of starts here without going on.

As for the subcontinent, shit in India, great in the UAE, decent in 3 innings of the last two Tests against Sri lanka without going on.

Issues have been more in India than overseas generally.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Not a troll. He must be removed from the Australian test team forthwith. It's fine and dandy when he's beating up on pub grade teams like New Zealand and Pakistan on lifeless snorefest drop in wickets in Australia but when put on an overseas deck which offers a bit of seam and spin he crumbles apart like a 2 week old dog turd.

Keep him in the hit and giggle bubble gum 20 20 20 and home tests for all i care....just leave him as far away as possible from the real cricket.

Dumb knee jerk reaction.

India has certainly been an issue but 3 centuries, 2 half centuries in South Africa, century and half century on the UAE in two tests, 5 half centuries last tour of England including two scores in the 80s one in the 70s eclven I would've like a century. Even Sri Lanka was reasonable after the first test although certainly could've been better. West Indies has played terrible there admittedly for no particular reason.

Certainly alot more comfortable at home but hasn't been that bad away overall despite being shit this series. Problem he has overseas is that he makes a number of 40s/ half centuries (14 half centuries) without going on to make a big one. There we can be critical. Leave him out though, don't think so.

 

[Coops93]

I understood the Marsh selection initially, but time after time he fails, he averages about 10 against India or whatever it is now. I'd like Khawaja at 3.

I do prefer Smith at 4 generally and Khawaja makes a good 3 at home, wonder how he'd handle it in a place like India.

Obviously the selectors doubted him and favored Marsh; which as you say his selection I understood. I just don't agree that Khawaja was the man to be dropped. I'd have preferred Marsh at 6 replacing Cartwright/other Marsh.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I do prefer Smith at 4 generally and Khawaja makes a good 3 at home, wonder how he'd handle it in a place like India.

Obviously the selectors doubted him and favored Marsh; which as you say his selection I understood. I just don't agree that Khawaja was the man to be dropped. I'd have preferred Marsh at 6 replacing Cartwright/other Marsh.

Look they went with a gamble this series. They sort of had to, you do need that 5th bowler in India- despite the fact that Smith is clueless in bowling them. I personally would have kept Cartwright as I feel first and foremost your top 6 should be top 6 bats, and he bats 3/4 for WA.

 

[Scotland]

I don't see the point in dropping Warner.

Firstly, the series is live. Secondly, who replaces him on tour? Usman 'can't play spin not good enough for #3 or #6' Khawaja? Thirdly, the next test after this series is at home against England and he'll be straight back in anyway.

 

[Blue1980]

I don't see the point in dropping Warner.

Firstly, the series is live. Secondly, who replaces him on tour? Usman 'can't play spin not good enough for #3 or #6' Khawaja? Thirdly, the next test after this series is at home against England and he'll be straight back in anyway.

Because it would send a message to him and Khawaja could hardly do less.

They won't do it tho

 

[The Swans Blog]

This thread

 

[King Elvis]

Get rid of this The Reverend bullshit.

He's gotten ahead of himself; needs to find his scrappy, streetfighter mojo again.

 

[TW Sherrin]

there is no way channel 9 or the Sydney media will let little Davey Warner get dropped.

 

[Marshland]

I fear the fact that we didn't lose this game means Warner will still walk out for the 4th test.

I suppose Khawaja will just have to bide his time until our next tour to show that he's got the goods.

 

[Ciderhound]

We have clung on for dear life on the last day and i am happy as a pig in shit. However we cannot afford to go on with Warner as opener. He bats like he has just drank a 6 pack of red bull. Given that he is from rooty hill it wouldn't be too far from the truth.


Get rid of him.

 

[eth-dog]

He'll play. I don't think he's best XI anymore but he'll play.

 

[Outshined]

I wouldn't be adverse to dropping him if we had a better option over there.

Unfortunately our two options are comprised of an all rounder with a Marsh-like season average and another batsmen who has the exact same problem as the incumbent, only he's less likely to hit us 20-30 quick runs. So basically we wouldn't be improving the team... what's the point?

 

[saint_]

Does Khawaja get a gig after this test series?

 

[The Casey Cat]

Don't think he should be dropped yet. But my god he had been extremely disappointing and that is going back further than just this series. If he fails to make a 50 in the next test and stinks up the beginning of our next series then it's time he got the chop.

 

[bluespooner]

I don't see the point in dropping Warner.

Firstly, the series is live. Secondly, who replaces him on tour? Usman 'can't play spin not good enough for #3 or #6' Khawaja? Thirdly, the next test after this series is at home against England and he'll be straight back in anyway.

I'll help you out. He doesn't make runs.

On what basis do you say that Khawaja can't play spin? And if what you say is true about Khawaja then why did the selectors pick him for a tour of India when there was a good chance he would have to play against high quality spinners.

 

[Hamingja]

Does Khawaja get a gig after this test series?

Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja
Smith
Handscomb
S.Marsh

Looks like the way forward to me in Australian conditions. Smith doesn't use the 5th bowler anyway. If they are really desperate Wade can bowl a few with Handscomb keeping.

 

[Mateyman]

Completely disagree. Has shown decent ability in England and SA. Struggles in places without bounce or carry though, it's true. Having said that I feel like he is on the verge of producing something decent and we don't have any better alternatives in the subcontinent so might as well stick with him.

 

[DaRick]

Completely disagree. Has shown decent ability in England and SA. Struggles in places without bounce or carry though, it's true. Having said that I feel like he is on the verge of producing something decent and we don't have any better alternatives in the subcontinent so might as well stick with him.

Agree.

ATM I also think he is being let down by a lack of proper defensive technique.

It feels like he's trying to change his game but he can't quite do it so he winds up neither scoring many runs nor spending much time at the crease.

The most un-Indian conditions of the series are likely to be at Dharamsala so if he's gonna score anywhere, it will probably be there.

 

[frankrizzo]

Does Khawaja get a gig after this test series?

Depends if horses for courses is a real policy or more that the selectors just don't rate khawaja overall, outside those two SL tests he has been one of the best batsman in the world in the last few years he has dominated pace attacks and was our best vs a dominant SA so if conditions and the type of bowling we face is the key factor he is one of our first picked for the ashes.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

He's failing for precisely the reasons I thought he'd fail. He's leaden footed against spin and doesn't play the sweep shot. Not a great foundation for a tour of India.