Deepest list

[Kane McGoodwin]

Teams which imo appear to be building useful depth... In no particular order.

Weagles - showed last year that they could cover injuries. Added 2 new midfielders.

Gws - whilst many are still young & inexperienced, obvious talent. Importantly, have added ruck depth to other areas.

Collingwood - are building a good young list. Good depth except kpp forwards.

North Melbourne - have been topping up with experienced players for a few years now & have one of the best depths.

Bulldogs - Beveridge's style of rotating players has provided good midfield-utility depth. Lack tall depth though.

 

[HeHateMe]

You really have to post you teams depth to compare, i think west coast might have the most/best depth this season, i was surprised to see north's list though 35 players with afl experience is quite deep but tbh a lot was left to be desired.

Hawks are still up there but with the unknown about some of our untested players it will be hard to say we are outright number 1.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You really have to post you teams depth to compare, i think west coast might have the most/best depth this season, i was surprised to see north's list though 35 players with afl experience is quite deep but tbh a lot was left to be desired.

Hawks are still up there but with the unknown about some of our untested players it will be hard to say we are outright number 1.

Probably should study the 2nd 22 thread to look at experienced players....

 

[crazywildhorse]

All hail Geelong!

(and Hawthorn's depth is average)

 

[Chrizzt]

You didn't make the finals and were atrocious for most of the season with just 2-4 injuries on average for the year. Sam Gray I would be next to Mitchell as a player that can occasionally play really well, but for the most part is to flaky to be a best-22 player. Amon I don't rate at all, haven't seen anything I like about him. What other depth have you got? Young? Yuck! Toumpas? There is a reason Melbourne didn't want him.

If Port have a genuine bad run of injuries this year, as in 5-7 injuries they are absolutely screwed. Ontop of this no Ryder or Monfries reduces their depth further. Also if Lobbe goes down, do you even have a decent backup ruck? What if Schulz actually is a year to old and his output really does drop down. Who are you going to replace him with? Butcher?!??!....Frampton?!!?!

If Port do get unlucky with injuries, not even your easy draw will save you.

Amon still needs more development, but is certainly AFL quality. More so than chipscab cameron.
Gray isn't flaky, he's inexperienced. Only played 17 games, and his last 6 he had 20, 21, 25, 34, 37, 34 touches. Also helped that he was moved to the midfield, instead of being wasted as a forward pocket.
Young's fine. Never going to be great, but can certainly hold his own at AFL level.
With my rough best 22, we'll have O'Shea, Clurey, Colquhoun, Butcher, Amon, Mitchell, Young, Toumpas, and Krakouer as depth players who have played AFL before. On top of that guys like Palmer, Frampton, Snelling, Austin all look like they're ready to be given a shot at AFL level.
We've genuinely got back up for every position.
Far cry from the crows who still have at least one player on each line who isn't AFL quality to begin with.

 

[Gavin Excell]

We lose as much as anyone, you just don't notice it because our depth and cover has been so good over the years. this is why losing any one individual isn't as detrimental to the hawthorn system then it might be to other clubs. Hence losing Buddy then going 3 peat.

crap

you lose Hodge and Mitchell finals time you lose

Hawks been very fortunate its best players available business end

 

[Gavin Excell]

Depth doesnt win flags - its your best 10 being on park that does

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

From the 2nd 22 thread... So an estimate based on predicted 1st team...

West coast - 14 players with afl experience, 8 with1 season or 22 games.
St Kilda - 14, 5
Adelaide - 13, 7
Port - 10, 4 with 2 suspended
Bulldogs - 14, 5 with 1 suspended
Richmond - 12, 5
Brisbane - 12, 6
Geelong - 12, 5
Collingwood 11, 6
Hawthorn 7, 3
North 11, 6

 

[Smedts_2]

From the 2nd 22 thread... So an estimate based on predicted 1st team...

West coast - 14 players with afl experience, 8 with1 season or 22 games.
St Kilda - 14, 5
Adelaide - 13, 7
Port - 10, 4 with 2 suspended
Bulldogs - 14, 5 with 1 suspended
Richmond - 12, 5
Brisbane - 12, 6
Geelong - 12, 5
Collingwood 11, 6
Hawthorn 7, 3
North 11, 6

Good way of looking at it objectively (albeit the actual players involved night skew it a bit).

 

[Pugz89]

Dogs prob not quite #1 but surely not far off it. Played 40 guys throughout last year, with only two playing all the games and still managed 14 wins (with most inexperienced squad most weeks).

 

[Pugz89]

We did a little squad analysis earlier in the season (prior to the Essendon bans) and rated Collingwood followed by West Coast and Port Adelaide as having the deepest lists (where depth is measured by highest quality players outside of best 22)

Might be biased but not sure how the Dogs rank #10 when we played all but one player on our senior list who wasn't on LTI, (only two players played all games in 2015) and still managed 14 wins despite the inexperience. Surely at least top 6.

 

[Pugz89]

Teams which imo appear to be building useful depth... In no particular order.

Weagles - showed last year that they could cover injuries. Added 2 new midfielders.

Gws - whilst many are still young & inexperienced, obvious talent. Importantly, have added ruck depth to other areas.

Collingwood - are building a good young list. Good depth except kpp forwards.

North Melbourne - have been topping up with experienced players for a few years now & have one of the best depths.

Bulldogs - Beveridge's style of rotating players has provided good midfield-utility depth. Lack tall depth though.

After picking up Collins and Adams in the draft, our talls isn't too bad now actually. Hamling, Roberts, Adams, Collins, Redpath, Boyd, Stringer(if you can call him a tall @ 192cm), Z Cordy (191) then for rucks - Roughead, Campbell, Minson.

 

[Costanza_]

The Swans, at least in defense.

Ted Richards, Theodore Richards, Teddy R, T Richards - plenty of names to choose from.

Agree with whoever said GWS. Embarrassment of riches.

 

[EB&W Pieman]

If our best 22 is:
Langdon Brown Williams
Varcoe Reid Maynard
Sidebottom Adams Crisp
Howe Cloke Swan
Broomhead Moore Elliott
Grundy Pendles Treloar
Res De Goey Marsh Aish Greenwood

our depth for each position is: (NB excludes 2015 draftees)

Defence: Sharenberg, Frost, Goldsack, Sinclair, Ramsay, Toovey (this is impressive)
Forward: Fasolo (excellent depth), White, Blair (good depth players)
Ruck: Witts (excellent depth), Cox (developing nicely)
Midfield: Goodyear, McCaffer (not good - but we do have De Goey, Aish and Greenwood on the bench as well as widespread top-level midfield quality within the top team).

Seems funny to say it given our second-half failures of the past two seasons, but we do seem to have terrific depth with a number of players of genuine AFL quality who are not in our top 22.

 

[Paladin]

Amon still needs more development, but is certainly AFL quality. More so than chipscab cameron.
Gray isn't flaky, he's inexperienced. Only played 17 games, and his last 6 he had 20, 21, 25, 34, 37, 34 touches. Also helped that he was moved to the midfield, instead of being wasted as a forward pocket.
Young's fine. Never going to be great, but can certainly hold his own at AFL level.
With my rough best 22, we'll have O'Shea, Clurey, Colquhoun, Butcher, Amon, Mitchell, Young, Toumpas, and Krakouer as depth players who have played AFL before. On top of that guys like Palmer, Frampton, Snelling, Austin all look like they're ready to be given a shot at AFL level.
We've genuinely got back up for every position.
Far cry from the crows who still have at least one player on each line who isn't AFL quality to begin with.

Bahahaha you think Amon is even worth being mentioned next to Cameron

Cameron is an excitement machine who kicks plenty of goals and provides great forward line pressure with his mate Eddie.

Amon has a nice kick but is about as tough as Nathan Lonie. Ken dropped him for pulling out last year - wont make it and will continue to rot in the reserves. Your depth reads like a who's who of SANFL rejects. Krakouer somewhat excepted.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

crap

you lose Hodge and Mitchell finals time you lose

Hawks been very fortunate its best players available business end

You can say that about every team though. Take out two or their top 5 and they'll struggle, especially in finals.
Showed last year with Sydney losing buddy, Parker, Freo when Fyfe was injured.

Finals are certainly where you need you're very best. Home and away you can get by more.

Hawthorns defensive depth will be tested this year with no lake. Other than that we can cover most injuries I reckon.

 

[TipBetPro]

Might be biased but not sure how the Dogs rank #10 when we played all but one player on our senior list who wasn't on LTI, (only two players played all games in 2015) and still managed 14 wins despite the inexperience. Surely at least top 6.

I assume you are looking at the squad Top 30 Rank? That actually refers to the entire best 30 rank with respect to the question of "squad depth" we actually only look at players 23-30 on the list in which we rank the Dogs 11th.

Perhaps because the Dogs used so much of their list their 23rd to 30th players aren't ranked particularly highly as the Dogs tended to rotate their "back-ups" more than any other squad. For instance we rank the following players in the depth bucket (23rd to 30th) for the Dogs: Tom Campbell, Shane Biggs, Caleb Daniel, Jack Redpath, Joel Hamling, Fletcher Roberts, Tom Boyd and Mitch Honeychurch. That is a very young inexperienced group (only 134 games between them) and whilst they have all shown glimmers of potential, they are all still very much unproven. If you compare that to our Collingwood 23-30 group (our number 1 ranked depth side): Ben Sinclair, Jarrod Witts, Jack Frost, James Aish, Adam Oxley, Brent Macaffer, Darcy Moore and Jordan De Goey - they have 281 games of experience and more proven performance compared to the Dogs cohort. At the other end of the ladder the Swans 23-30 (Tom Derickx, Brandon Jack, Zak Jones, Alex Johnson, Toby Nankervis, Daniel Robinson, James Rose and Xavier Richards) are ranked by TipBetPro as having the worst ranked depth with Brisbane and Hawthorn (who used to have great depth but have dropped away following list changes this season) also ranked poorly.

Now that's not to say that won't all change as players move in and out of Best 22 but right at the moment, we rate the Pies depth (and other strong depth sides such as West Coast, Port, GWS and Gold Coast) ahead of the Dogs at present.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I assume you are looking at the squad Top 30 Rank? That actually refers to the entire best 30 rank with respect to the question of "squad depth" we actually only look at players 23-30 on the list in which we rank the Dogs 11th.

Perhaps because the Dogs used so much of their list their 23rd to 30th players aren't ranked particularly highly as the Dogs tended to rotate their "back-ups" more than any other squad. For instance we rank the following players in the depth bucket (23rd to 30th) for the Dogs: Tom Campbell, Shane Biggs, Caleb Daniel, Jack Redpath, Joel Hamling, Fletcher Roberts, Tom Boyd and Mitch Honeychurch. That is a very young inexperienced group (only 134 games between them) and whilst they have all shown glimmers of potential, they are all still very much unproven. If you compare that to our Collingwood 23-30 group (our number 1 ranked depth side): Ben Sinclair, Jarrod Witts, Jack Frost, James Aish, Adam Oxley, Brent Macaffer, Darcy Moore and Jordan De Goey - they have 281 games of experience and more proven performance compared to the Dogs cohort. At the other end of the ladder the Swans 23-30 (Tom Derickx, Brandon Jack, Zak Jones, Alex Johnson, Toby Nankervis, Daniel Robinson, James Rose and Xavier Richards) are ranked by TipBetPro as having the worst ranked depth with Brisbane and Hawthorn (who used to have great depth but have dropped away following list changes this season) also ranked poorly.

Now that's not to say that won't all change as players move in and out of Best 22 but right at the moment, we rate the Pies depth (and other strong depth sides such as West Coast, Port, GWS and Gold Coast) ahead of the Dogs at present.

Are you able to list your ranking by club for depth players & also the number of players who have played a season or 22 games? Cheers.

 

[TipBetPro]

Are you able to list your ranking by club for depth players & also the number of players who have played a season or 22 games? Cheers.

Sure - we assign ranking points by player based on various different metrics but largely experience and "adjusted" AFL player ranking (there are a few areas of disagreement we have with the AFL player ranking that we try to adjust for where possible) and the results for players rated 23-30 on each list are as follows:

1. Collingwood 61.1 TBP Ranking Points (5 players > 22 games)
2. West Coast 58.5 (6 > 22 games)
3. GWS 54.5 (6 > 22 games)
4. Gold Coast 54.3 (7 > 22 games)
5. North Melbourne 53.8 (5 > 22 games)
6. Adelaide 52.7 (6 > 22 games)
7. Port 50.0 (5 > 22 games) *note: originally was rated 3rd before removal of Ryder and Monfries
8. St Kilda 49.0 (3 > 22 games)
9. Melbourne 48.6 (7 > 22 games)
10. Carlton 45.8 (3 > 22 games)
11. Western Bulldogs 45.5 (1 > 22 games)
12. Fremantle 44.4 (6 > 22 games)
13. Richmond 43.9 (4 > 22 games)
14. Geelong 41.2 (5 > 22 games)
15. Brisbane 40.8 (3 > 22 games)
16. Hawthorn 39.4 (3 > 22 games)
17. Sydney 31.6 (2 > 22 games)
18. Essendon 20.1 (0 > 22 games) *note: after removal of Essendon 12, before top-ups

 

[meesy]

Depth doesnt win flags - its your best 10 being on park that does

I would argue that depth is what gets you there in the first place, but it's your best players that bring it home on the day - that's what wins premierships.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sure - we assign ranking points by player based on various different metrics but largely experience and "adjusted" AFL player ranking (there are a few areas of disagreement we have with the AFL player ranking that we try to adjust for where possible) and the results for players rated 23-30 on each list are as follows:

1. Collingwood 61.1 TBP Ranking Points (5 players > 22 games)
2. West Coast 58.5 (6 > 22 games)
3. GWS 54.5 (6 > 22 games)
4. Gold Coast 54.3 (7 > 22 games)
5. North Melbourne 53.8 (5 > 22 games)
6. Adelaide 52.7 (6 > 22 games)
7. Port 50.0 (5 > 22 games) *note: originally was rated 3rd before removal of Ryder and Monfries
8. St Kilda 49.0 (3 > 22 games)
9. Melbourne 48.6 (7 > 22 games)
10. Carlton 45.8 (3 > 22 games)
11. Western Bulldogs 45.5 (1 > 22 games)
12. Fremantle 44.4 (6 > 22 games)
13. Richmond 43.9 (4 > 22 games)
14. Geelong 41.2 (5 > 22 games)
15. Brisbane 40.8 (3 > 22 games)
16. Hawthorn 39.4 (3 > 22 games)
17. Sydney 31.6 (2 > 22 games)
18. Essendon 20.1 (0 > 22 games) *note: after removal of Essendon 12, before top-ups

Thanks!

This makes for interesting reading.

The top teams I suggested, except gold coast who I didn't look into.

Given injuries normally occur, this gives us an indication of the ability of teams to cover them... Though it always depends on who is injured.

It's why I have predicted Sydney to fall, but also given their best 22 are one of a few who are a premiership threat.

Hawks have a great 1st team but for the 1st time in their premiership years are susceptible to injuries.

Collingwood have been building a good young squad. No excuses for bucks this year!

I'm sticking with west coast as flag favourites, despite a harder draw.

Also, comfortable that my own team have more depth & competition for spots than last few years which hopefully helps with loss of a gun in Dangerfield.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Port has bugger all depth. As they get found out when they get a few injuries

Starts thread hoping people will nominate his team.

Gets mad when people don't nominate his team.

#winning

FWIW I would have had Port top 5 with the late season form of a few fringe players last season and the addition of Dixon and Toumpas but we slide back to very much mid pack without Paddy and Gus

 

[Donkey Chop]

Starts thread hoping people will nominate his team.

Gets mad when people don't nominate his team.

#winning

What are you on about man? I've been on BF long enough to know no one was going to nominate North. Port have shown an inability to cover injuries over the last couple of years. Great best 22, poor after that. It's why they're not a genuine flag chance

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Starts thread hoping people will nominate his team.

Gets mad when people don't nominate his team.

#winning

FWIW I would have had Port top 5 with the late season form of a few fringe players last season and the addition of Dixon and Toumpas but we slide back to very much mid pack without Paddy and Gus

Toumpas reminds me of Tambling everytime I see him play.

 

[mattyc75]

Do North have players at the elite level other than Goldy ?

No,they are deep in average players,and old players at that,in a year or 2 they will be back to square 1

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