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It's pretty close to the current ladder, but it adjusts for difficulty of the fixture so far.

I guess it depends how importantly you rate a poor loss like that. Gold Coast have only lost two games the entire season. That Richmond match appears to be an outlier when you consider how they are performing against the good teams.

Does beating good sides but putting in a stinker make you less legitimate than beating the poor sides but not beating the good sides?
Obviously it's valid to look at the difficulty of a draw and grade teams on a curve based on that mid-season, but you can easily take this too far. I do think that generally the ladder and percentage is your best guide for how teams are going, because if Gold Coast losing to Richmond and Geelong losing to St. Kilda are 'outliers', our home loss to Geelong could be too, or the Freo game or whatever.

The area in which I'd argue we've yet to show meaningful improvement this year is winning away from home. So far we are 6-1 at home which is a good record that includes comfortably beating a few decent mid-table teams and a solid opponent in GWS. Our one home loss was against a good top 4 contending team where we fell over in the second half off a 5 day break, so not a total disaster. Away from home we're 1-3 with some pretty credible performances and one very poor one, which is pretty much how Adelaide has performed since 2023, so it's valid to point to that and say until we can consistently win games away from home we're not doing better than 12-13 wins, and not winning a final.

I just don't really rate the 'Nicks record against X teams' metric, especially when you're talking about a 6 year span now. It's just making way too much of a coincidence between last year's draw and this one. The Adelaide team that will play Sydney this weekend has 5 players in common with the team that lost to a Longmire-coached Swans team in 2020. That game was a 3 point loss, after which the Swans also finished bottom 4 and have played finals every year since. It's about as relevant as saying we have the wood over the Dogs because of the 90s prelims.

edit: You kinda make this point yourself by putting Richmond in the 'guaranteed win' category even though Nicks doesn't have a great record against Richmond at all (1 win, 4 losses), and we lost to them last year. The difference is that Adelaide has improved over that time period and Richmond has gotten worse. It's even an away game.
 
Obviously it's valid to look at the difficulty of a draw and grade teams on a curve based on that mid-season, but you can easily take this too far. I do think that generally the ladder and percentage is your best guide for how teams are going, because if Gold Coast losing to Richmond and Geelong losing to St. Kilda are 'outliers', our home loss to Geelong could be too, or the Freo game or whatever.

The area in which I'd argue we've yet to show meaningful improvement this year is winning away from home. So far we are 6-1 at home which is a good record that includes comfortably beating a few decent mid-table teams and a solid opponent in GWS. Our one home loss was against a good top 4 contending team where we fell over in the second half off a 5 day break, so not a total disaster. Away from home we're 1-3 with some pretty credible performances and one very poor one, which is pretty much how Adelaide has performed since 2023, so it's valid to point to that and say until we can consistently win games away from home we're not doing better than 12-13 wins, and not winning a final.

I just don't really rate the 'Nicks record against X teams' metric, especially when you're talking about a 6 year span now. It's just making way too much of a coincidence between last year's draw and this one. The Adelaide team that will play Sydney this weekend has 5 players in common with the team that lost to a Longmire-coached Swans team in 2020. That game was a 3 point loss, after which the Swans also finished bottom 4 and have played finals every year since. It's about as relevant as saying we have the wood over the Dogs because of the 90s prelims.

edit: You kinda make this point yourself by putting Richmond in the 'guaranteed win' category even though Nicks doesn't have a great record against Richmond at all (1 win, 4 losses), and we lost to them last year. The difference is that Adelaide has improved over that time period and Richmond has gotten worse. It's even an away game.

I was leaning more towards it being a coincidence earlier in the season, now after 11 rounds I think the evidence is pointing more towards a pattern. But the jury is out and we will know for sure before the bye.

I'm not sure about the home vs away record. Of course we are worse away like most teams, but there are plenty of sides we can't account for at home, like Collingwood and Geelong. If there was a clear pattern of us beating those teams at home then losing the return game away I would agree, but that's usually not the case. There are even examples of us doing the reverse like losing to Essendon at home last year but beating them away, or our more recent wins against Hawthorn which were away.

And you make a fair point about Richmond, I didn't look into our record there but you're correct, that shouldn't be an automatic win.
 

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Obviously it's valid to look at the difficulty of a draw and grade teams on a curve based on that mid-season, but you can easily take this too far. I do think that generally the ladder and percentage is your best guide for how teams are going, because if Gold Coast losing to Richmond and Geelong losing to St. Kilda are 'outliers', our home loss to Geelong could be too, or the Freo game or whatever.

The area in which I'd argue we've yet to show meaningful improvement this year is winning away from home. So far we are 6-1 at home which is a good record that includes comfortably beating a few decent mid-table teams and a solid opponent in GWS. Our one home loss was against a good top 4 contending team where we fell over in the second half off a 5 day break, so not a total disaster. Away from home we're 1-3 with some pretty credible performances and one very poor one, which is pretty much how Adelaide has performed since 2023, so it's valid to point to that and say until we can consistently win games away from home we're not doing better than 12-13 wins, and not winning a final.

I just don't really rate the 'Nicks record against X teams' metric, especially when you're talking about a 6 year span now. It's just making way too much of a coincidence between last year's draw and this one. The Adelaide team that will play Sydney this weekend has 5 players in common with the team that lost to a Longmire-coached Swans team in 2020. That game was a 3 point loss, after which the Swans also finished bottom 4 and have played finals every year since. It's about as relevant as saying we have the wood over the Dogs because of the 90s prelims.

edit: You kinda make this point yourself by putting Richmond in the 'guaranteed win' category even though Nicks doesn't have a great record against Richmond at all (1 win, 4 losses), and we lost to them last year. The difference is that Adelaide has improved over that time period and Richmond has gotten worse. It's even an away game.

Also if you want to ignore our early rebuild performances against sides that's fine. Here's how we've gone in 2025, compared to 2023 and 2024

St Kilda: Win (2-0 in 23 and 24)
Essendon: Win (1-2)
North Melbourne: Win (2-0)
Gold Coast: Loss (1-2)
Geelong: Loss (0-3)
GWS: Win (1-2)
Fremantle: Loss (1-1)
Carlton: Win (2-0)
Port Adelaide: Win (3-1)
Collingwood: Loss (0-3)
West Coast: Win (3-0)

So clear wins and losses against sides we have perfect/near-perfect and winless recent records against. And in the mixed record games we've gone 2-2

The rest of the season is as follows

Sydney 0-3
Brisbane 1-1-2
Hawthorn 1-2
Richmond 0-2
Melbourne 0-2
Bulldogs 1-1
Gold Coast 1-2
Port Adelaide 3-1
Hawthorn 1-2
West Coast 3-0
Collingwood 0-3
North Melbourne 2-0

So 3 clear wins, 4 clear losses and five 50-50s remaining under the recent Nicks record system. That would be right down to the wire making finals, which isn't much different to what you are saying regarding our poor results away from home. Just the games we might win or lose would be different.
 
The next few weeks will tell us where we're at.
Our easy draw might be making things look better than they really are.
If we don't beat current form Sydney this week something is wrong.

We're 7-4

St Kilda H, W. 14th
Essendon A, W. 10th
North H, W. 17th
Suns A, L. 3rd
Geelong H, L. 5th
Giants H, W. 8th
Freo A, L. 9th
Carlton H, W. 12th
Port A, W. 15th
Collingwood A, L. 1st
West Coast H, W. 18th

Wins. 14th, 10th, 17th, 8th, 12th, 15th, 18th

Loss. 3rd, 5th, 9th, 1st
 
Beating Sydney and/or Hawks away would be a bigger deal than knocking off Brisbane at home in a weird way.

We've always been able to put together strong home performances, even against good teams.

Win some big or even medium away games and you sense improvement is real. If we Fremantle Effort those two games then doubts remain.
 
Beating Sydney and/or Hawks away would be a bigger deal than knocking off Brisbane at home in a weird way.

We've always been able to put together strong home performances, even against good teams.

Win some big or even medium away games and you sense improvement is real. If we Fremantle Effort those two games then doubts remain.
We need to go to Sydney and mess with them and put that freo effort behind us
 
Beating Sydney and/or Hawks away would be a bigger deal than knocking off Brisbane at home in a weird way.

We've always been able to put together strong home performances, even against good teams.

Win some big or even medium away games and you sense improvement is real. If we Fremantle Effort those two games then doubts remain.

The next 3 weeks are a true test. We actually have a good history against a reigning premier. Need to win one of these games on the road, esp Sydney. I'm hoping to attend the game in Launceston, Friday night and expected to be a sellout.
 
I was leaning more towards it being a coincidence earlier in the season, now after 11 rounds I think the evidence is pointing more towards a pattern. But the jury is out and we will know for sure before the bye.

I'm not sure about the home vs away record. Of course we are worse away like most teams, but there are plenty of sides we can't account for at home, like Collingwood and Geelong. If there was a clear pattern of us beating those teams at home then losing the return game away I would agree, but that's usually not the case. There are even examples of us doing the reverse like losing to Essendon at home last year but beating them away, or our more recent wins against Hawthorn which were away.

And you make a fair point about Richmond, I didn't look into our record there but you're correct, that shouldn't be an automatic win.
This interested me so I took a look, and I think you're underselling how bad our home record is somewhat. I'm just going to look at 2023 to today, based on the fact that I think Adelaide turned a corner a bit in 2023 and became a more consistently competitive team with some recognisable traits (fairly high scoring, rarely gets belted, strong home record etc.) but has not improved in terms of actual results away from home much at all. That's not accounting for being consistently competitive because we've lost a lot of games by small margins in this time.

Overall since 2023 Adelaide have a 26-1-30 record. That's 20-1-12 at Adelaide Oval and 6-18 away. In that time we've only beaten 5 total teams away from home: Hawthorn, West Coast, Carlton, North Melbourne and Essendon (twice). I'm not including Port here for obvious reasons but we've beaten them 'away' as well.

Hawthorn was in round 6, 2023 when they were bottom of the ladder with a sub-60 percentage heading into the round. Obviously West Coast and North have been very poor throughout and we've mostly beaten poor teams everywhere aside from the Richmond game last year, so the only notable away wins were against Carlton last year and the two recent Essendon games. Both of the wins last year were by 2 points, and the two Essendon games happened pretty close together (round 20, 2024 and round 2, 2025). The Essendon game this year is notable for being the only win away from home against a competitive team by more than a goal in the last three seasons.

Our home record by comparison is much better - for a start it's well above even. We've beaten Fremantle (1-0), Carlton (2-0), St. Kilda (3-0), Brisbane (1-0 plus a draw), West Coast (3-0), North Melbourne (2-0), GWS (2-1), Gold Coast (1-0) and Western Bulldogs (1-0) at home, plus Port, so 9 non-local teams, and they aren't all crap by any means. The 7 teams we haven't beaten at home are Richmond (0-1), Hawthorn (0-1), Collingwood (0-1), Geelong (0-2), Sydney (0-2), Melbourne (0-1) and Essendon (0-1). As you can see most of those teams we've only played once at home in the last 2.5 seasons, but a lot of the teams we have beaten we've had more opportunities against. Examples of teams we've beaten at home but lost to away include Gold Coast, Bulldogs, GWS, Brisbane and Fremantle, but the trend I think is pretty clear relative to the sample size.

Anyway needless to say that's the significant hurdle I think the team has to overcome this week to beat Sydney, not so much 'teams Nicks can't coach against'. Generously you could maybe say we've beaten three decent teams away from home in the last 2.5 seasons, and that might be rating Essendon a bit highly - it could be as low as one, which was the Carlton game last year.
 
Also if you want to ignore our early rebuild performances against sides that's fine. Here's how we've gone in 2025, compared to 2023 and 2024

St Kilda: Win (2-0 in 23 and 24)
Essendon: Win (1-2)
North Melbourne: Win (2-0)
Gold Coast: Loss (1-2)
Geelong: Loss (0-3)
GWS: Win (1-2)
Fremantle: Loss (1-1)
Carlton: Win (2-0)
Port Adelaide: Win (3-1)
Collingwood: Loss (0-3)
West Coast: Win (3-0)

So clear wins and losses against sides we have perfect/near-perfect and winless recent records against. And in the mixed record games we've gone 2-2

The rest of the season is as follows

Sydney 0-3
Brisbane 1-1-2
Hawthorn 1-2
Richmond 0-2
Melbourne 0-2
Bulldogs 1-1
Gold Coast 1-2
Port Adelaide 3-1
Hawthorn 1-2
West Coast 3-0
Collingwood 0-3
North Melbourne 2-0

So 3 clear wins, 4 clear losses and five 50-50s remaining under the recent Nicks record system. That would be right down to the wire making finals, which isn't much different to what you are saying regarding our poor results away from home. Just the games we might win or lose would be different.
Yeah I think we have similar conclusions here, but I'm putting a lot of this down to an artefact of the draw. We don't play teams an equal amount home and away and we've happened to play some teams a lot more at home than on the road and vice-versa. I think there's ample evidence that while some teams travel well to Adelaide and have beaten us there (Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Sydney for example) there are teams we haven't had an opportunity to correct our record against at home much or where we are simply better than them at home and worse than them away, based on 2023-25. Sydney this week is a good chance to start to correct that record, and an easier game than Hawthorn will be in 3 weeks.
 
It’s fascinating how negativily some people can view the world. You have literally used our win loss record as a team in full rebuild to predict our chances this year. A team currently sitting in the top 4 half way through the year, you are using our record head to head against sides from when we were a 4 win side 3 years ago.

It’s like saying this WC side from today can’t beat us in 4 years because they were crap today.

You might hate this fact but we have an easier second half draw and GC will probably hit a wall. Top 2 is fair enough aim. Home final and hopefully home Prelim is definately what our goals should be.
So what’s your excuse going to be when that doesn’t happen?

And forget 4 years ago, how about last year? This year? We lost to the Pies, Freo and Gold Coast just like last year.
 
This interested me so I took a look, and I think you're underselling how bad our home record is somewhat. I'm just going to look at 2023 to today, based on the fact that I think Adelaide turned a corner a bit in 2023 and became a more consistently competitive team with some recognisable traits (fairly high scoring, rarely gets belted, strong home record etc.) but has not improved in terms of actual results away from home much at all. That's not accounting for being consistently competitive because we've lost a lot of games by small margins in this time.

Overall since 2023 Adelaide have a 26-1-30 record. That's 20-1-12 at Adelaide Oval and 6-18 away. In that time we've only beaten 5 total teams away from home: Hawthorn, West Coast, Carlton, North Melbourne and Essendon (twice). I'm not including Port here for obvious reasons but we've beaten them 'away' as well.

Hawthorn was in round 6, 2023 when they were bottom of the ladder with a sub-60 percentage heading into the round. Obviously West Coast and North have been very poor throughout and we've mostly beaten poor teams everywhere aside from the Richmond game last year, so the only notable away wins were against Carlton last year and the two recent Essendon games. Both of the wins last year were by 2 points, and the two Essendon games happened pretty close together (round 20, 2024 and round 2, 2025). The Essendon game this year is notable for being the only win away from home against a competitive team by more than a goal in the last three seasons.

Our home record by comparison is much better - for a start it's well above even. We've beaten Fremantle (1-0), Carlton (2-0), St. Kilda (3-0), Brisbane (1-0 plus a draw), West Coast (3-0), North Melbourne (2-0), GWS (2-1), Gold Coast (1-0) and Western Bulldogs (1-0) at home, plus Port, so 9 non-local teams, and they aren't all crap by any means. The 7 teams we haven't beaten at home are Richmond (0-1), Hawthorn (0-1), Collingwood (0-1), Geelong (0-2), Sydney (0-2), Melbourne (0-1) and Essendon (0-1). As you can see most of those teams we've only played once at home in the last 2.5 seasons, but a lot of the teams we have beaten we've had more opportunities against. Examples of teams we've beaten at home but lost to away include Gold Coast, Bulldogs, GWS, Brisbane and Fremantle, but the trend I think is pretty clear relative to the sample size.

Anyway needless to say that's the significant hurdle I think the team has to overcome this week to beat Sydney, not so much 'teams Nicks can't coach against'. Generously you could maybe say we've beaten three decent teams away from home in the last 2.5 seasons, and that might be rating Essendon a bit highly - it could be as low as one, which was the Carlton game last year.

Right but as your list of home teams suggests, we've largely beaten fairly crappy teams. Of those 20 AO wins, 14 have been against West Coast, North Melbourne, St Kilda, Port Adelaide and Carlton for just 1 loss. We are also 3-0 against those sides away, indicating the vast majority of the time we've played them at home, and we've been successful against them anywhere.

Excluding those five sides we'd be 6-1-11 at home and 3-18 away. Which makes us better at home, but hardly amazing.

Brisbane - won at home, lost away
Carlton - beat them home and away
Collingwood - lost home and away
Essendon - won 2-1 away, lost at home
Fremantle - won at home, lost away
Geelong - lost home and away
Gold Coast - won at home, lost away
GWS - won 2-1 at home, lost away
Hawthorn - lost at home, 1-1 away
Melbourne - lost home and away
North Melbourne - won home and away
Port Adelaide - neutral 3-1 record
Richmond - lost at home twice, no away
St Kilda - won at home, no away
Sydney - lost home and away
West Coast - won home and away
Western Bulldogs - won at home, lost away

There are only four teams we have a notably different record at home than away. GWS maybe, but we've also lost to them at home. Our Brisbane record is quite narrow as well with all four results being close.

Collingwood, Sydney, Melbourne, Geelong it doesn't matter where we've played, we've lost all of them. We've also lost to Richmond at home and are yet to play them away.

Similarly, Carlton, West Coast, North Melbourne have been wins anywhere. We've never played St Kilda away in that time period. We've been better against Hawthorn and Essendon away from home.

I'm not sure that's overly compelling evidence.
 

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So what’s your excuse going to be when that doesn’t happen?

And forget 4 years ago, how about last year? This year? We lost to the Pies, Freo and Gold Coast just like last year.
The similar record to last year looks largely like a coincidence to me. We happen to have a draw that has us playing teams that we lost to last year and have improved along with us or stayed at a similar level between seasons early on, and those are the 4 games we have lost. Freo, Collingwood and GC were notable off-season improvers. Geelong probably at a similar level to 2024. We did actually lose to Essendon and Port last year too, we just played them twice for a 1-1 record.

If the 'match 2024 results' trend continues we'll lose all of the next 5 and end up 7-9 as all of Sydney, Brisbane, Hawthorn, Richmond and Melbourne beat us last year, and yes if that happens you'll have a strong argument that nothing has changed. But I'd expect us to win... let's say a minimum of 2 of those games, which is improvement.

I just don't think the argument that this team is the same as last year holds any water at all and I don't even think any of the negative posters here seriously believe that. If we limit it to 'some of the weaknesses of previous seasons are still there', like winning games on the road against decent (not top 4) teams, that's definitely true and that's why this week is a big game, as was the Freo one.
 
Right but as your list of home teams suggests, we've largely beaten fairly crappy teams. Of those 20 AO wins, 14 have been against West Coast, North Melbourne, St Kilda, Port Adelaide and Carlton for just 1 loss. We are also 3-0 against those sides away, indicating the vast majority of the time we've played them at home, and we've been successful against them anywhere.

Excluding those five sides we'd be 6-1-11 at home and 3-18 away. Which makes us better at home, but hardly amazing.

Brisbane - won at home, lost away
Carlton - beat them home and away
Collingwood - lost home and away
Essendon - won 2-1 away, lost at home
Fremantle - won at home, lost away
Geelong - lost home and away
Gold Coast - won at home, lost away
GWS - won 2-1 at home, lost away
Hawthorn - lost at home, 1-1 away
Melbourne - lost home and away
North Melbourne - won home and away
Port Adelaide - neutral 3-1 record
Richmond - lost at home twice, no away
St Kilda - won at home, no away
Sydney - lost home and away
West Coast - won home and away
Western Bulldogs - won at home, lost away

There are only four teams we have a notably different record at home than away. GWS maybe, but we've also lost to them at home. Our Brisbane record is quite narrow as well with all four results being close.

Collingwood, Sydney, Melbourne, Geelong it doesn't matter where we've played, we've lost all of them. We've also lost to Richmond at home and are yet to play them away.

Similarly, Carlton, West Coast, North Melbourne have been wins anywhere. We've never played St Kilda away in that time period. We've been better against Hawthorn and Essendon away from home.

I'm not sure that's overly compelling evidence.
It is worth noting that Carlton and Port Adelaide have been overall good sides since 2023. 5th and 8th, 2nd and 3rd.

Anyway, my argument isn't really about the strength of the home record as the weakness of the away record. A handful of sides (mostly pretty good) have consistently beaten us at home or away, and some teams we haven't played enough to be sure. A few teams we have polarised records against where you can see the home and away difference: Freo, Brisbane etc. It's clear to me that we have been a decent side at home that nobody would take lightly but a very poor side away who beats almost nobody despite being very close a lot of the time. Carlton is the only finals-contending side we've beaten on the road since 2023, despite almost making the 8 ourselves one of those years. Small sample sizes for some clubs, but it's a visible trend.

We only really have 3 more road games this year against non-bottom 4 teams: Sydney, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs. We could easily make finals without winning any of them but that wouldn't prove all that much. Winning a couple of them would be a significant change.
 
I just don't think the argument that this team is the same as last year holds any water at all and I don't even think any of the negative posters here seriously believe that. If we limit it to 'some of the weaknesses of previous seasons are still there', like winning games on the road against decent (not top 4) teams, that's definitely true and that's why this week is a big game, as was the Freo one.

That's not what I believe.

I think we are a better team, but that this improvement is largely isolated against teams Nicks is already somewhat competent against. We have gotten better against the weaker sides but haven't improved much against the strong sides.

We were much better against Essendon, Carlton and St Kilda and have continued to account for GWS, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne and West Coast. You could argue we've actually been less successful against North and West Coast than we were last year, but still accounted for both relatively easily. We didn't win the away Showdown last year but did win the home one, so in a sense we have improved to now win the away Showdown.

We have lost to Gold Coast away, Geelong at home, Collingwood away and Fremantle away with very similar margins to last year. We've been a little closer for longer periods against Gold Coast and Geelong, largely performed the same against Collingwood and IMO were worse against Fremantle.
 
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Need to win 7 of our last 12.
Maybe 6 with a healthy percentage, but you'd want 14 to be comfortably in 7th place.

Sydney, away. W. 8-4
Brisbane, home. L. 8-5
Hawks, away. L. 8-6
Richmond, away. W. 9-6
Melbourne, home. W. 10-6
Dogs, away. L. 10-7
Suns, home. W. 11-7
Port. W. 12-7
Hawks, home. W. 13-7
Eagles, away. W. 14-7
Pies, home. L. 14-8
North, away. W. 15-8

Melbourne, Suns and Hawks at home could all still be losses.
But highlights why beating Sydney this week is vital.
 
Need to win 7 of our last 12.
Maybe 6 with a healthy percentage, but you'd want 14 to be comfortably in 7th place.

Sydney, away. W. 8-4
Brisbane, home. L. 8-5
Hawks, away. L. 8-6
Richmond, away. W. 9-6
Melbourne, home. W. 10-6
Dogs, away. L. 10-7
Suns, home. W. 11-7
Port. W. 12-7
Hawks, home. W. 13-7
Eagles, away. W. 14-7
Pies, home. L. 14-8
North, away. W. 15-8

Melbourne, Suns and Hawks at home could all still be losses.
But highlights why beating Sydney this week is vital.
On the flip side, Brisbane could be a win. We've done ok against them at home recently with the last two matches being a draw and a win.
 

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That's not what I believe.

I think we are a better team, but that this improvement is largely isolated against teams Nicks is already somewhat competent against. We have gotten better against the weaker sides but haven't improved much against the strong sides.

We were much better against Essendon, Carlton and St Kilda and have continued to account for GWS, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne and West Coast. You could argue we've actually been less successful against North and West Coast than we were last year, but still accounted for both relatively easily. We didn't win the away Showdown last year but did win the home one, so in a sense we have improved to now win the away Showdown.

We have lost to Gold Coast away, Geelong at home, Collingwood away and Fremantle away with very similar margins to last year. We've been a little closer for longer periods against Gold Coast and Geelong, largely performed the same against Collingwood and IMO were worse against Fremantle.
This is all certainly true, though I'd add that beating GWS was a new thing late last year (and Essendon away for what that's worth). I don't think that was a totally expected result or anything. If we played GWS again this weekend I'd think it was close to a 50/50.

Anyway I think the improvement will be more visible in the coming couple of months where we play exclusively teams we have not beaten recently, and I expect we will beat some of them.
 
Beating Sydney and/or Hawks away would be a bigger deal than knocking off Brisbane at home in a weird way.

We've always been able to put together strong home performances, even against good teams.

Win some big or even medium away games and you sense improvement is real. If we Fremantle Effort those two games then doubts remain.
Yep agree, Sydney is an absolute must win to start with, and a win against Hawthorn away would be bigger than beating Brisbane at home, It would be a huge corner turner as well as it being an early 8 point game.

EIther way we have to win at least 2 of our next 3 to be in contention for a home final, a loss to a cooked Sydney this week or a single win won't be good enough and we'd be battling to make the 8. If we win the next 3 Top 4 would be odds on.

My gut feel is we beat Sydney and Brisbane
 
Need to win 7 of our last 12.
Maybe 6 with a healthy percentage, but you'd want 14 to be comfortably in 7th place.

Sydney, away. W. 8-4
Brisbane, home. L. 8-5
Hawks, away. L. 8-6
Richmond, away. W. 9-6
Melbourne, home. W. 10-6
Dogs, away. L. 10-7
Suns, home. W. 11-7
Port. W. 12-7
Hawks, home. W. 13-7
Eagles, away. W. 14-7
Pies, home. L. 14-8
North, away. W. 15-8

Melbourne, Suns and Hawks at home could all still be losses.
But highlights why beating Sydney this week is vital.
8 wins out of the remaining games seems about right, 9 would be great.
 
Big win for GWS today. They should win their next two which sets them up for a real top 8 shot.

I have six 'locks' to get to 14 wins
Geelong
Collingwood
Bulldogs
Brisbane
Hawks
Suns

Starting to think GWS might get their as well. Puts us up against Freo for the last spot as I don't think the Bombers or anyone else will make it.

The Swans are good enough but looking unlikely.
GWS will be there for sure, they'll get better as the season goes on and be a threat come finals time.

I reckon the final 8 teams are there now, although I'd love to see Hawthorn lose their next few and get vulnerable. 😜
 
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