EDFL Premier Division

[Turbos mail]

Fair enough boys!! But tried to start some new conversation but only "Star" replied with his opinions/thoughts.

Ok let me raise some "new" conversation topics seeing no one is giving us much!!

-Why can't some people fill us in on the brawl we heard about at Strathmore. How did it start etc.. Maybe that might be more interesting but know one is commenting. Strange as it would be a good topic.

-What about the upcoming GF rematch. Is there still tension between these 2 clubs? Will Strathmore go the man early to try and ruffle the Abers juggernaut.

-Why do we have to wait till round 9 for the rematch??

-Will Abers go through the home & away season undefeated? If so when was the last time this happened in premier/A grade..

 

[Stax on the mill]

Fair enough boys!! But tried to start some new conversation but only "Star" replied with his opinions/thoughts.

Ok let me raise some "new" conversation topics seeing no one is giving us much!!

-Why can't some people fill us in on the brawl we heard about at Strathmore. How did it start etc.. Maybe that might be more interesting but know one is commenting. Strange as it would be a good topic.

-What about the upcoming GF rematch. Is there still tension between these 2 clubs? Will Strathmore go the man early to try and ruffle the Abers juggernaut.

-Why do we have to wait till round 9 for the rematch??

-Will Abers go through the home & away season undefeated? If so when was the last time this happened in premier/A grade..

Wasn't at Strathmore/Greenvale match, so can't comment on the"brawl".

Doubt if Mores will go the man against Abers. It would be counterproductive, as the umpires would crack down hard on the aggressors, and you could very quickly find yourself 5 goals down. Abers more than capable of matching Mores in physicality stakes anyway. Besides Strathmore don't normally play that way anyway.

2012 was the last time someone went thru home and away undefeated. That was Strathmore, and they ended up losing the Grand Final to Greenvale. In fact since 1999, 7 teams have gone through home and away season undefeated, but only 1 has ended up winning the flag. That was Greenvale in 2007. Seems to happen frequently in a lot of leagues that undefeated sides lose the GF, or even go out in straight sets in the finals.

 

[JustOverHere]

Big Footy is getting worse - a lot worse!!

Turbo, some of your rambles do generate discussion, my post is clearly buying into your ramble but comments like this need to be watered down unless you have some real facts.

I'm sure we all have opinions on what clubs are paying but this is pretty much what everyone knows. Disagree!

We can argue all we like but this is reality and what you need to compete in premier. Totally disagree!


I'm not sensitive at all but I do know you're pi$$ing in the wind with your numbers..

I'd be doing exactly that if I wanted to waste time calculating, sorry speculating on what a Ben Warren gets paid each week and what his sign on was!

I actually couldn't care less!

Let's move on and talk about something a bit more productive because in a year's time there will be a points system and a salary cap and those clubs who haven't planned for it may struggle a bit.

Hey there 'puffpuffgivemo'.. Don't you think that is a little naive of you to not "actually care less", what clubs, are paying what players, what amount of cash!!..

On the other hand 'puffpuffgivemo' I'm sure there would be plenty of shrewd businessman that could quite possibly be the most calculating and selfish people in the community, that provide large amounts of their very own hard earned cash that would actually care, hoping that their investment in the club in question was being used by the club administrators both astutely and wisely and not just frittered away needlessly..

I would have thought someone like yourself that plays an important role within your very own club may have shown some more wisdom and better judgement as to who should actually care!!..

Or maybe it was just a throw away line!!..

 

[Deefer4]

Turbo, whilst some of your posts stimulate some good discussion, others are nothing short of pontification and lack veracity. At times, you make the point to others that your posts are not personal, merely discussion points. Same applies with my post. I do not know you. As a person you may be a great guy, but your posts.....well some defy all logic.

This will be a rather lengthy epistle, so anyone with a short tolerance for reading, suggest you skip over the post.

Turbo, our limited exchange began when you had a crack at the condition of the Keilor ground, that is where I shall start.

Your comment.
“The ground condition is pretty bad as the whole middle was just mud which also didn't help. The ground was just redone as well so it's disappointing as it does affect the spectacle and probably suited Keilor”.

After quite a few days of steady rain every ground would be experiencing the same conditions, some a lot worse than others. Or does it only rain over the Keilor ground? Apart from the wicket area, the other 90% of the ground was in very good condition. No mud, no residual water and players able to run and bounce the ball. I used the words “wicket area”. This is not in the middle it is offset. All centre bounces are made in the true centre and in very well grassed area. Same comments were made on the day by a former umpire, at the ground, could it be Turbo? Your comment “I know a lot of players”, adds some strength to this supposition.

Next thought bubble just before the Abers game, “Also there is rain predicted so the ground will be muddy in the middle which should suit Keilor”. When I questioned your logic, the response was pretty ordinary “With my reference to the conditions suiting Keilor I did watch the Sunday game vs Pacco and the conditions didn't help the skills as most people tried to avoid going through the middle”. Does this only happen at Keilor? No other grounds have this issue? None have to play around a muddy wicket at their home ground?

Followed by, “Yes most grounds have turf wickets but let the grass grow before you start training over it. It's pretty simple. Yes I know you love your "home" ovals but use some common sense and train elsewhere until it's ready.. If you need to use another ground for a game so be it, as a couple of weeks can make a big difference. Anyway don't worry about it now”. What a patronizing statement. Train elsewhere! We did! Most of the preseason training was not at Keilor. Only a few sessions in March back on the home ground. Juniors train away from home on a rotation basis. As for playing elsewhere, I challenge you to nominate a ground that does not have a muddy wicket area and is available and close to Keilor so that we do not inconvenience our supporter base. FYI, the ground was in great nick for the Abers game, and has been for all other games.

Very presumptuous telling another club how to manage its facilities, particularly in light of you next comments. In response to me having a crack at the condition of Pacco’s ground, you came back with, “Actually Paccos ground is in good nick and the centre area is pretty good to this point.” Later in the same post, “On Saturday a player from Pascoe Vale was running through the centre to get to a boundary thrown in, and his knee buckled. Result = out for season”. Good Nick? Player out for the season! (Sorry for the player concerned). So other grounds do experience muddy centre areas. So when Keilor play Pacco next, at Pacco, if conditions are wet, who will the ground suit? Pacco or Keilor? After all Pacco should know how to play the ground, and all the centre bounce will be in the mud.. Obviously nobody at Pacco followed your advice, covered the wicket, trained elsewhere, moved the game to another ground. It is very hypocritical of you Turbo. People in glass houses……

Next gem, “Let me tell you one other thing players recently out of AFL already have plenty of money so it's not necessarily there main priority. Most are playing at clubs that did not offer the most money”. Duh! Utter crap. On what facts to you base this statement? Allow me to provide all with some facts. There are 23 ex AFL listed player in the EDFL, that I know of, this includes rookie listed players. Of the 23, two of them, (Harris 160 games, McLean, 157) played over 100 games, Blake missed out by one game, but I will include him in the over 100 bracket. The rest of the group total 346 games between them, average of just over 17 games each. If you then take out the other over 50 games players, Riemers, (60 games) and Lower (55) the average for the rest drops down to just under 13 games. The three, higher game players, Harris, McLean and Blake, were not exactly superstars, but probably would have been over the average player payment, which last year was $283000, and they maybe reasonably affluent. The rest would have been far less than the average, and had very short careers, and you are telling us that they are loaded and don’t need money? In 2012 the AFL increased the rookie payments to $49000 from $35000. The base payment for first year player went to $56000 plus match payments for games played. For every Ablett, Buddy, Tom Boyd and Scully, you have the guys at the bottom of the eco chain essentially playing for base payments. Or was I out of the country when the announcements were made of the new lucrative contract deals signed by Veszpremi, Browne, Gourdis, Ben Ross, Hislop, and so on before they were delisted.

Take Ben Ross as an example. Played 14 games over four seasons for North, (2008-2011), a fringe player not on mega bucks. Rookie listed at the Hawks in 2014, ($49000), Played 4 games. This would have earned him match payment and a slight increase in base payment. Don’t know how much per game he would have got, but I am betting his total income would have been a lot less than $100k. Gee, he has got money to burn, can play for next to nothing at Pacco just to be with his brother! Iacobucci, 4 games in 2 seasons must have made a small fortune as well. You also want us to believe that Harris and Urquhart moved from APW to Pacco because they loved Pacco? No the money has run out at APW, so they both went with the $$$’s.

The majority of the ex-AFL group are between 23 and 27, prime age for footballers, and you are trying to convince us they will play because they like a club they have never been associated with. Again the majority, because of their full time commitment to AFL, did not have the opportunity to work on a career, and have not climbed a corporate ladder to earn big bucks, and are looking to maximize their income in both football and jobs. Sorry Turbo, but telling us they have plenty of money, that is an inane statement. I can understand Paul Chapman going back to NS, Michael Rischitelli and or Ivan Maric going back to Keilor and playing for lesser amounts to give something back to their junior clubs, but the lot we have in the EDFL at the moment are not there for that reason, they are there for the$$$’s, McLean and Addam Maric may be the exceptions.

I do not know how you arrive at your next comment, “However ex VFL are different as they play VFL for less money and therefore try and get some good money when they go local. They usually demand big money”. Yes they will try, but will they succeed? The VFL group, not being full time footballers, and on very low payments, will be more likely to have full time jobs and therefore less dependent on their football income. But also think about your logic, or lack thereof. Under your postulation, imagine I am recruiting for my club. I have the choice of player A, key forward, played a few games in the AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $1500 per game. Player B, key forward, VFL listed, never played AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $2000 per game, (reminder, this is your theory), who do I sign? Don’t you think the ex=VFL guys would be pricing themselves out of business?

Your next assertion, Pacco are not paying big money. You even had the temerity to chastise an older couple when they suggested that Pacco was paying more than Strathmore. Bluntly, you would not have a clue what other clubs are paying you are guessing, including what Pacco is paying, as we all are. I will also take a guess on your convoluted thinking process. I think you based your Pacco versus Strathmore payment on what the latter was willing to pay for Sikora. This was an issue of supply and demand. The inference through your posts is Pacco were happy to move Sikora on, meaning their supply of this type of commodity exceeded their demand, and not willing to meet his price, whereas Strathmore with the departure of Jones had a greater elasticity of demand versus supply. Hence they chased the commodity they needed, Sikora, to overcome their weakness, and were prepared to make him a generous offer. Your deduction from this…………Strathmore must be paying a veritable sh..load to their players, therefore they pay more than Pacco.

Enough of Turbo, Puff you have also made some less than enlightening comments. You said Turbo was delusional with some of player payment comments, well so are you, or you have been smoking that funny tobacco. You continually deny and try to minimize the Abers payments. This appears to be based on your theory that once players are there for a number of years, around five, they suddenly become “home grown” and that infers their payments reduce. I cannot see Courtney Johns, Tom Hislop and others agreeing to a pay cut because of their length of service. You would still be carrying the same payments for them from previous years, plus the new additions.

Over the years Keilor and Abers have at times chased the same players. A few examples, the Hislop boys. Brayden Norris. We were outbid by quite large margins in both cases. We also went very hard for Blackwell. Our offer was not in the same state let alone the same postcode as the Abers offer. I have heard, as would a lot of others that Abers budget is around the $400k, even some Abers people I know acknowledge this and the involvement of two significant benefactors. Is there anything wrong with paying an amount you can afford? No! So why get so defensive. You should be proud that your club has the ability to support that type of expenditure, whatever it is.

I have had my say, sorry to all if I have taken too much of your time. Turbo, to you I will use the same dismissive tone as you did in one of your post, I have had enough of this, time to move, so don’t bother trying to justify your position.


PS: Turbo, and others, get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word “there”, versus the word “their”. Makes me think some of you did not pass year twelve English.

 

[JustOverHere]

Ah Mick your a classic, but I suppose I did ask for it. I was trying to be respectful with my figures but now you have gone completely mad (in the words of Ken Bruce) if you think Pacco are spending that much and the second highest paying club. Pacco don't pay players for playing reserves and there coaching staff would be on minimum rates which is a lot different to most other clubs.

Let me tell you one other thing players recently out of AFL already have plenty of money so it's not necessarily there main priority. Most are playing at clubs that did not offer the most money, but have a good culture, some business opportunities, friendships and the promise of finals. However ex VFL are different as they play VFL for less money and therefore try and get some good money when they go local. They usually demand big money. Then you have the metro/country "guns" who play for big money that's why most never try the higher leagues..

Anyway what's the next subject..

-Who do we think will improve its win/loss ratio in the second half of the season ( I know there is 1 game left)
-Predictions of top 4 end of year (and in order)
- who wins the premiership
- comp medal *name 3 in no particular order

I will start:
- Keilor, Airport West
- 1.Abers 2.Pacco 3.Greenvale 4.Keilor
- Pacco
- Riemers (A), B Ross (P), Brewer (G)

Cheers boys.,

Fair pasting you have copped there 'Turbo' and deservedly so, some real valid points raised..

In answer to your attempt to divert..
(a) I think Greenvale will improve their win/loss ratio in the second half of the season..
(b) Prediction of top four in order..
1. Aberfeldie
2. Greenvale
3. Pascoe Vale
4. Keilor
(c) The Premiership Cup is Aberfeldie's to lose.. Again!!..
(d) B.Ross (PV) very consistant
L.Blackwell (A) flying under the radar
A. Maric (G) consistant goal scorer

 

[Turbos mail]

Fair pasting you have copped there 'Turbo' and deservedly so, some real valid points raised..

In answer to your attempt to divert..
(a) I think Greenvale will improve their win/loss ratio in the second half of the season..
(b) Prediction of top four in order..
1. Aberfeldie
2. Greenvale
3. Pascoe Vale
4. Keilor
(c) The Premiership Cup is Aberfeldie's to lose.. Again!!..
(d) B.Ross (PV) very consistant
L.Blackwell (A) flying under the radar
A. Maric (G) consistant goal scorer

Yeah it was a fair pasting but Deefer must have taken 2 hrs to write that and then check the dictionary to make sure his spelling was correct. Lol

Anyway you can all enjoy your footy especially Deefer, when Pacco give his Keilor boys a thumping on the return game. Wonder if Mick will play 9 or 10 defenders as 8 didn't work..

Maybe I will have a spell till next week and see if anyone else provides some gossip..

 

[Turbos mail]

Turbo, whilst some of your posts stimulate some good discussion, others are nothing short of pontification and lack veracity. At times, you make the point to others that your posts are not personal, merely discussion points. Same applies with my post. I do not know you. As a person you may be a great guy, but your posts.....well some defy all logic.

This will be a rather lengthy epistle, so anyone with a short tolerance for reading, suggest you skip over the post.

Turbo, our limited exchange began when you had a crack at the condition of the Keilor ground, that is where I shall start.

Your comment.
“The ground condition is pretty bad as the whole middle was just mud which also didn't help. The ground was just redone as well so it's disappointing as it does affect the spectacle and probably suited Keilor”.

After quite a few days of steady rain every ground would be experiencing the same conditions, some a lot worse than others. Or does it only rain over the Keilor ground? Apart from the wicket area, the other 90% of the ground was in very good condition. No mud, no residual water and players able to run and bounce the ball. I used the words “wicket area”. This is not in the middle it is offset. All centre bounces are made in the true centre and in very well grassed area. Same comments were made on the day by a former umpire, at the ground, could it be Turbo? Your comment “I know a lot of players”, adds some strength to this supposition.

Next thought bubble just before the Abers game, “Also there is rain predicted so the ground will be muddy in the middle which should suit Keilor”. When I questioned your logic, the response was pretty ordinary “With my reference to the conditions suiting Keilor I did watch the Sunday game vs Pacco and the conditions didn't help the skills as most people tried to avoid going through the middle”. Does this only happen at Keilor? No other grounds have this issue? None have to play around a muddy wicket at their home ground?

Followed by, “Yes most grounds have turf wickets but let the grass grow before you start training over it. It's pretty simple. Yes I know you love your "home" ovals but use some common sense and train elsewhere until it's ready.. If you need to use another ground for a game so be it, as a couple of weeks can make a big difference. Anyway don't worry about it now”. What a patronizing statement. Train elsewhere! We did! Most of the preseason training was not at Keilor. Only a few sessions in March back on the home ground. Juniors train away from home on a rotation basis. As for playing elsewhere, I challenge you to nominate a ground that does not have a muddy wicket area and is available and close to Keilor so that we do not inconvenience our supporter base. FYI, the ground was in great nick for the Abers game, and has been for all other games.

Very presumptuous telling another club how to manage its facilities, particularly in light of you next comments. In response to me having a crack at the condition of Pacco’s ground, you came back with, “Actually Paccos ground is in good nick and the centre area is pretty good to this point.” Later in the same post, “On Saturday a player from Pascoe Vale was running through the centre to get to a boundary thrown in, and his knee buckled. Result = out for season”. Good Nick? Player out for the season! (Sorry for the player concerned). So other grounds do experience muddy centre areas. So when Keilor play Pacco next, at Pacco, if conditions are wet, who will the ground suit? Pacco or Keilor? After all Pacco should know how to play the ground, and all the centre bounce will be in the mud.. Obviously nobody at Pacco followed your advice, covered the wicket, trained elsewhere, moved the game to another ground. It is very hypocritical of you Turbo. People in glass houses……

Next gem, “Let me tell you one other thing players recently out of AFL already have plenty of money so it's not necessarily there main priority. Most are playing at clubs that did not offer the most money”. Duh! Utter crap. On what facts to you base this statement? Allow me to provide all with some facts. There are 23 ex AFL listed player in the EDFL, that I know of, this includes rookie listed players. Of the 23, two of them, (Harris 160 games, McLean, 157) played over 100 games, Blake missed out by one game, but I will include him in the over 100 bracket. The rest of the group total 346 games between them, average of just over 17 games each. If you then take out the other over 50 games players, Riemers, (60 games) and Lower (55) the average for the rest drops down to just under 13 games. The three, higher game players, Harris, McLean and Blake, were not exactly superstars, but probably would have been over the average player payment, which last year was $283000, and they maybe reasonably affluent. The rest would have been far less than the average, and had very short careers, and you are telling us that they are loaded and don’t need money? In 2012 the AFL increased the rookie payments to $49000 from $35000. The base payment for first year player went to $56000 plus match payments for games played. For every Ablett, Buddy, Tom Boyd and Scully, you have the guys at the bottom of the eco chain essentially playing for base payments. Or was I out of the country when the announcements were made of the new lucrative contract deals signed by Veszpremi, Browne, Gourdis, Ben Ross, Hislop, and so on before they were delisted.

Take Ben Ross as an example. Played 14 games over four seasons for North, (2008-2011), a fringe player not on mega bucks. Rookie listed at the Hawks in 2014, ($49000), Played 4 games. This would have earned him match payment and a slight increase in base payment. Don’t know how much per game he would have got, but I am betting his total income would have been a lot less than $100k. Gee, he has got money to burn, can play for next to nothing at Pacco just to be with his brother! Iacobucci, 4 games in 2 seasons must have made a small fortune as well. You also want us to believe that Harris and Urquhart moved from APW to Pacco because they loved Pacco? No the money has run out at APW, so they both went with the $$$’s.

The majority of the ex-AFL group are between 23 and 27, prime age for footballers, and you are trying to convince us they will play because they like a club they have never been associated with. Again the majority, because of their full time commitment to AFL, did not have the opportunity to work on a career, and have not climbed a corporate ladder to earn big bucks, and are looking to maximize their income in both football and jobs. Sorry Turbo, but telling us they have plenty of money, that is an inane statement. I can understand Paul Chapman going back to NS, Michael Rischitelli and or Ivan Maric going back to Keilor and playing for lesser amounts to give something back to their junior clubs, but the lot we have in the EDFL at the moment are not there for that reason, they are there for the$$$’s, McLean and Addam Maric may be the exceptions.

I do not know how you arrive at your next comment, “However ex VFL are different as they play VFL for less money and therefore try and get some good money when they go local. They usually demand big money”. Yes they will try, but will they succeed? The VFL group, not being full time footballers, and on very low payments, will be more likely to have full time jobs and therefore less dependent on their football income. But also think about your logic, or lack thereof. Under your postulation, imagine I am recruiting for my club. I have the choice of player A, key forward, played a few games in the AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $1500 per game. Player B, key forward, VFL listed, never played AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $2000 per game, (reminder, this is your theory), who do I sign? Don’t you think the ex=VFL guys would be pricing themselves out of business?

Your next assertion, Pacco are not paying big money. You even had the temerity to chastise an older couple when they suggested that Pacco was paying more than Strathmore. Bluntly, you would not have a clue what other clubs are paying you are guessing, including what Pacco is paying, as we all are. I will also take a guess on your convoluted thinking process. I think you based your Pacco versus Strathmore payment on what the latter was willing to pay for Sikora. This was an issue of supply and demand. The inference through your posts is Pacco were happy to move Sikora on, meaning their supply of this type of commodity exceeded their demand, and not willing to meet his price, whereas Strathmore with the departure of Jones had a greater elasticity of demand versus supply. Hence they chased the commodity they needed, Sikora, to overcome their weakness, and were prepared to make him a generous offer. Your deduction from this…………Strathmore must be paying a veritable sh..load to their players, therefore they pay more than Pacco.

Enough of Turbo, Puff you have also made some less than enlightening comments. You said Turbo was delusional with some of player payment comments, well so are you, or you have been smoking that funny tobacco. You continually deny and try to minimize the Abers payments. This appears to be based on your theory that once players are there for a number of years, around five, they suddenly become “home grown” and that infers their payments reduce. I cannot see Courtney Johns, Tom Hislop and others agreeing to a pay cut because of their length of service. You would still be carrying the same payments for them from previous years, plus the new additions.

Over the years Keilor and Abers have at times chased the same players. A few examples, the Hislop boys. Brayden Norris. We were outbid by quite large margins in both cases. We also went very hard for Blackwell. Our offer was not in the same state let alone the same postcode as the Abers offer. I have heard, as would a lot of others that Abers budget is around the $400k, even some Abers people I know acknowledge this and the involvement of two significant benefactors. Is there anything wrong with paying an amount you can afford? No! So why get so defensive. You should be proud that your club has the ability to support that type of expenditure, whatever it is.

I have had my say, sorry to all if I have taken too much of your time. Turbo, to you I will use the same dismissive tone as you did in one of your post, I have had enough of this, time to move, so don’t bother trying to justify your position.


PS: Turbo, and others, get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word “there”, versus the word “their”. Makes me think some of you did not pass year twelve English.

Deefer or should I call you Mick. What happened with Sikora will probably happen to your club, as Browne will probably accept the offer he will get from Abers for next year. I'm not sure he can refuse it this time.

Robbins hurt his knee at Abers not at Paccos ground, which goes to show you don't read things properly..

The players left APW as they didn't reappoint the coach so they left with him. It wasn't for more $$ so once again you have little idea.

It's no wonder Marby gave it to you guys as you are up yourselves at Keilor. Pretend to be a good club but you are falling behind. Good luck for the rest of the season and you better hope Bathie doesn't get to many games at Richmond VFL otherwise you might struggle to make top 4.

Yes Mick is the best coach going around but it comes as a cost. Is there still a group that want to change the coach? It's not good when this happens..

GO PACCO!!

 

[milkman99]

Turbo, whilst some of your posts stimulate some good discussion, others are nothing short of pontification and lack veracity. At times, you make the point to others that your posts are not personal, merely discussion points. Same applies with my post. I do not know you. As a person you may be a great guy, but your posts.....well some defy all logic.

This will be a rather lengthy epistle, so anyone with a short tolerance for reading, suggest you skip over the post.

Turbo, our limited exchange began when you had a crack at the condition of the Keilor ground, that is where I shall start.

Your comment.
“The ground condition is pretty bad as the whole middle was just mud which also didn't help. The ground was just redone as well so it's disappointing as it does affect the spectacle and probably suited Keilor”.

After quite a few days of steady rain every ground would be experiencing the same conditions, some a lot worse than others. Or does it only rain over the Keilor ground? Apart from the wicket area, the other 90% of the ground was in very good condition. No mud, no residual water and players able to run and bounce the ball. I used the words “wicket area”. This is not in the middle it is offset. All centre bounces are made in the true centre and in very well grassed area. Same comments were made on the day by a former umpire, at the ground, could it be Turbo? Your comment “I know a lot of players”, adds some strength to this supposition.

Next thought bubble just before the Abers game, “Also there is rain predicted so the ground will be muddy in the middle which should suit Keilor”. When I questioned your logic, the response was pretty ordinary “With my reference to the conditions suiting Keilor I did watch the Sunday game vs Pacco and the conditions didn't help the skills as most people tried to avoid going through the middle”. Does this only happen at Keilor? No other grounds have this issue? None have to play around a muddy wicket at their home ground?

Followed by, “Yes most grounds have turf wickets but let the grass grow before you start training over it. It's pretty simple. Yes I know you love your "home" ovals but use some common sense and train elsewhere until it's ready.. If you need to use another ground for a game so be it, as a couple of weeks can make a big difference. Anyway don't worry about it now”. What a patronizing statement. Train elsewhere! We did! Most of the preseason training was not at Keilor. Only a few sessions in March back on the home ground. Juniors train away from home on a rotation basis. As for playing elsewhere, I challenge you to nominate a ground that does not have a muddy wicket area and is available and close to Keilor so that we do not inconvenience our supporter base. FYI, the ground was in great nick for the Abers game, and has been for all other games.

Very presumptuous telling another club how to manage its facilities, particularly in light of you next comments. In response to me having a crack at the condition of Pacco’s ground, you came back with, “Actually Paccos ground is in good nick and the centre area is pretty good to this point.” Later in the same post, “On Saturday a player from Pascoe Vale was running through the centre to get to a boundary thrown in, and his knee buckled. Result = out for season”. Good Nick? Player out for the season! (Sorry for the player concerned). So other grounds do experience muddy centre areas. So when Keilor play Pacco next, at Pacco, if conditions are wet, who will the ground suit? Pacco or Keilor? After all Pacco should know how to play the ground, and all the centre bounce will be in the mud.. Obviously nobody at Pacco followed your advice, covered the wicket, trained elsewhere, moved the game to another ground. It is very hypocritical of you Turbo. People in glass houses……

Next gem, “Let me tell you one other thing players recently out of AFL already have plenty of money so it's not necessarily there main priority. Most are playing at clubs that did not offer the most money”. Duh! Utter crap. On what facts to you base this statement? Allow me to provide all with some facts. There are 23 ex AFL listed player in the EDFL, that I know of, this includes rookie listed players. Of the 23, two of them, (Harris 160 games, McLean, 157) played over 100 games, Blake missed out by one game, but I will include him in the over 100 bracket. The rest of the group total 346 games between them, average of just over 17 games each. If you then take out the other over 50 games players, Riemers, (60 games) and Lower (55) the average for the rest drops down to just under 13 games. The three, higher game players, Harris, McLean and Blake, were not exactly superstars, but probably would have been over the average player payment, which last year was $283000, and they maybe reasonably affluent. The rest would have been far less than the average, and had very short careers, and you are telling us that they are loaded and don’t need money? In 2012 the AFL increased the rookie payments to $49000 from $35000. The base payment for first year player went to $56000 plus match payments for games played. For every Ablett, Buddy, Tom Boyd and Scully, you have the guys at the bottom of the eco chain essentially playing for base payments. Or was I out of the country when the announcements were made of the new lucrative contract deals signed by Veszpremi, Browne, Gourdis, Ben Ross, Hislop, and so on before they were delisted.

Take Ben Ross as an example. Played 14 games over four seasons for North, (2008-2011), a fringe player not on mega bucks. Rookie listed at the Hawks in 2014, ($49000), Played 4 games. This would have earned him match payment and a slight increase in base payment. Don’t know how much per game he would have got, but I am betting his total income would have been a lot less than $100k. Gee, he has got money to burn, can play for next to nothing at Pacco just to be with his brother! Iacobucci, 4 games in 2 seasons must have made a small fortune as well. You also want us to believe that Harris and Urquhart moved from APW to Pacco because they loved Pacco? No the money has run out at APW, so they both went with the $$$’s.

The majority of the ex-AFL group are between 23 and 27, prime age for footballers, and you are trying to convince us they will play because they like a club they have never been associated with. Again the majority, because of their full time commitment to AFL, did not have the opportunity to work on a career, and have not climbed a corporate ladder to earn big bucks, and are looking to maximize their income in both football and jobs. Sorry Turbo, but telling us they have plenty of money, that is an inane statement. I can understand Paul Chapman going back to NS, Michael Rischitelli and or Ivan Maric going back to Keilor and playing for lesser amounts to give something back to their junior clubs, but the lot we have in the EDFL at the moment are not there for that reason, they are there for the$$$’s, McLean and Addam Maric may be the exceptions.

I do not know how you arrive at your next comment, “However ex VFL are different as they play VFL for less money and therefore try and get some good money when they go local. They usually demand big money”. Yes they will try, but will they succeed? The VFL group, not being full time footballers, and on very low payments, will be more likely to have full time jobs and therefore less dependent on their football income. But also think about your logic, or lack thereof. Under your postulation, imagine I am recruiting for my club. I have the choice of player A, key forward, played a few games in the AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $1500 per game. Player B, key forward, VFL listed, never played AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $2000 per game, (reminder, this is your theory), who do I sign? Don’t you think the ex=VFL guys would be pricing themselves out of business?

Your next assertion, Pacco are not paying big money. You even had the temerity to chastise an older couple when they suggested that Pacco was paying more than Strathmore. Bluntly, you would not have a clue what other clubs are paying you are guessing, including what Pacco is paying, as we all are. I will also take a guess on your convoluted thinking process. I think you based your Pacco versus Strathmore payment on what the latter was willing to pay for Sikora. This was an issue of supply and demand. The inference through your posts is Pacco were happy to move Sikora on, meaning their supply of this type of commodity exceeded their demand, and not willing to meet his price, whereas Strathmore with the departure of Jones had a greater elasticity of demand versus supply. Hence they chased the commodity they needed, Sikora, to overcome their weakness, and were prepared to make him a generous offer. Your deduction from this…………Strathmore must be paying a veritable sh..load to their players, therefore they pay more than Pacco.

Enough of Turbo, Puff you have also made some less than enlightening comments. You said Turbo was delusional with some of player payment comments, well so are you, or you have been smoking that funny tobacco. You continually deny and try to minimize the Abers payments. This appears to be based on your theory that once players are there for a number of years, around five, they suddenly become “home grown” and that infers their payments reduce. I cannot see Courtney Johns, Tom Hislop and others agreeing to a pay cut because of their length of service. You would still be carrying the same payments for them from previous years, plus the new additions.

Over the years Keilor and Abers have at times chased the same players. A few examples, the Hislop boys. Brayden Norris. We were outbid by quite large margins in both cases. We also went very hard for Blackwell. Our offer was not in the same state let alone the same postcode as the Abers offer. I have heard, as would a lot of others that Abers budget is around the $400k, even some Abers people I know acknowledge this and the involvement of two significant benefactors. Is there anything wrong with paying an amount you can afford? No! So why get so defensive. You should be proud that your club has the ability to support that type of expenditure, whatever it is.

I have had my say, sorry to all if I have taken too much of your time. Turbo, to you I will use the same dismissive tone as you did in one of your post, I have had enough of this, time to move, so don’t bother trying to justify your position.


PS: Turbo, and others, get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word “there”, versus the word “their”. Makes me think some of you did not pass year twelve English.

Love your post Deefer but l know there are better things to do on long weekends, you at least could of waited until you got back to work & wrote your post and then you would of been payed for it

 

[BlueJet]

Deefer or should I call you Mick. What happened with Sikora will probably happen to your club, as Browne will probably accept the offer he will get from Abers for next year. I'm not sure he can refuse it this time.

Robbins hurt his knee at Abers not at Paccos ground, which goes to show you don't read things properly..

The players left APW as they didn't reappoint the coach so they left with him. It wasn't for more $$ so once again you have little idea.

It's no wonder Marby gave it to you guys as you are up yourselves at Keilor. Pretend to be a good club but you are falling behind. Good luck for the rest of the season and you better hope Bathie doesn't get to many games at Richmond VFL otherwise you might struggle to make top 4.

Yes Mick is the best coach going around but it comes as a cost. Is there still a group that want to change the coach? It's not good when this happens..

GO PACCO!!

Keilor are a good club.
Their record across the board is something that all clubs strive for.
I know that you're probably being reactionary after copping a pasting as of late but the above is one of the stranger things that I've read on here.

 

[JustOverHere]

Keilor are a good club.
Their record across the board is something that all clubs strive for.
I know that you're probably being reactionary after copping a pasting as of late but the above is one of the stranger things that I've read on here.

It's quite an extraordinary posting and very unfounded..

 

[Turbos mail]

Keilor are a good club.
Their record across the board is something that all clubs strive for.
I know that you're probably being reactionary after copping a pasting as of late but the above is one of the stranger things that I've read on here.

Hey BlueJet,
Yeah suppose it was a bit of a reaction but agree they have one of the best junior systems going around (if not the best in EDFL) which has/will provide a pathway through TAC "BUT" their seniors haven't had success for a while now and to me seem to be going backwards senior wise. Has there recruiting been good? Are they paying to much money for off field coaches rather than on field out of there budget?
I know they paid Condos a bit of $$ when he was assistant, only to not play but then leave and play the next year elsewhere. They have a good supporter base (with a lot being junior parents) but need some more on field success..

 

[BlueJet]

Hey BlueJet,
Yeah suppose it was a bit of a reaction but agree they have one of the best junior systems going around (if not the best in EDFL) which has/will provide a pathway through TAC "BUT" their seniors haven't had success for a while now and to me seem to be going backwards senior wise. Has there recruiting been good? Are they paying to much money for off field coaches rather than on field out of there budget?
I know they paid Condos a bit of $$ when he was assistant, only to not play but then leave and play the next year elsewhere. They have a good supporter base (with a lot being junior parents) but need some more on field success..

Again, I'm not discussing who gets paid what because:
1) I don't care.
2) it's none of our business who gets paid what by whom.
As for their success of lack thereof - only S'more, Marby and G'vale have had more success in recent times, what does it say about every other club in the competition then?
Premierships are bloody difficult to win and I think every club deserves some respect for giving it a crack, even if they go about it in different ways.
Now - can we stop giving clubs backhanders for no good reason? This thread seriously reminds me of high school sometimes.

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

Hey there 'puffpuffgivemo'.. Don't you think that is a little naive of you to not "actually care less", what clubs, are paying what players, what amount of cash!!..

On the other hand 'puffpuffgivemo' I'm sure there would be plenty of shrewd businessman that could quite possibly be the most calculating and selfish people in the community, that provide large amounts of their very own hard earned cash that would actually care, hoping that their investment in the club in question was being used by the club administrators both astutely and wisely and not just frittered away needlessly..

I would have thought someone like yourself that plays an important role within your very own club may have shown some more wisdom and better judgement as to who should actually care!!..

Or maybe it was just a throw away line!!..

Not at all - I couldn't care less what other clubs spend on their players and coaches and don't waste time thinking about it!

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

Turbo, whilst some of your posts stimulate some good discussion, others are nothing short of pontification and lack veracity. At times, you make the point to others that your posts are not personal, merely discussion points. Same applies with my post. I do not know you. As a person you may be a great guy, but your posts.....well some defy all logic.

This will be a rather lengthy epistle, so anyone with a short tolerance for reading, suggest you skip over the post.

Turbo, our limited exchange began when you had a crack at the condition of the Keilor ground, that is where I shall start.

Your comment.
“The ground condition is pretty bad as the whole middle was just mud which also didn't help. The ground was just redone as well so it's disappointing as it does affect the spectacle and probably suited Keilor”.

After quite a few days of steady rain every ground would be experiencing the same conditions, some a lot worse than others. Or does it only rain over the Keilor ground? Apart from the wicket area, the other 90% of the ground was in very good condition. No mud, no residual water and players able to run and bounce the ball. I used the words “wicket area”. This is not in the middle it is offset. All centre bounces are made in the true centre and in very well grassed area. Same comments were made on the day by a former umpire, at the ground, could it be Turbo? Your comment “I know a lot of players”, adds some strength to this supposition.

Next thought bubble just before the Abers game, “Also there is rain predicted so the ground will be muddy in the middle which should suit Keilor”. When I questioned your logic, the response was pretty ordinary “With my reference to the conditions suiting Keilor I did watch the Sunday game vs Pacco and the conditions didn't help the skills as most people tried to avoid going through the middle”. Does this only happen at Keilor? No other grounds have this issue? None have to play around a muddy wicket at their home ground?

Followed by, “Yes most grounds have turf wickets but let the grass grow before you start training over it. It's pretty simple. Yes I know you love your "home" ovals but use some common sense and train elsewhere until it's ready.. If you need to use another ground for a game so be it, as a couple of weeks can make a big difference. Anyway don't worry about it now”. What a patronizing statement. Train elsewhere! We did! Most of the preseason training was not at Keilor. Only a few sessions in March back on the home ground. Juniors train away from home on a rotation basis. As for playing elsewhere, I challenge you to nominate a ground that does not have a muddy wicket area and is available and close to Keilor so that we do not inconvenience our supporter base. FYI, the ground was in great nick for the Abers game, and has been for all other games.

Very presumptuous telling another club how to manage its facilities, particularly in light of you next comments. In response to me having a crack at the condition of Pacco’s ground, you came back with, “Actually Paccos ground is in good nick and the centre area is pretty good to this point.” Later in the same post, “On Saturday a player from Pascoe Vale was running through the centre to get to a boundary thrown in, and his knee buckled. Result = out for season”. Good Nick? Player out for the season! (Sorry for the player concerned). So other grounds do experience muddy centre areas. So when Keilor play Pacco next, at Pacco, if conditions are wet, who will the ground suit? Pacco or Keilor? After all Pacco should know how to play the ground, and all the centre bounce will be in the mud.. Obviously nobody at Pacco followed your advice, covered the wicket, trained elsewhere, moved the game to another ground. It is very hypocritical of you Turbo. People in glass houses……

Next gem, “Let me tell you one other thing players recently out of AFL already have plenty of money so it's not necessarily there main priority. Most are playing at clubs that did not offer the most money”. Duh! Utter crap. On what facts to you base this statement? Allow me to provide all with some facts. There are 23 ex AFL listed player in the EDFL, that I know of, this includes rookie listed players. Of the 23, two of them, (Harris 160 games, McLean, 157) played over 100 games, Blake missed out by one game, but I will include him in the over 100 bracket. The rest of the group total 346 games between them, average of just over 17 games each. If you then take out the other over 50 games players, Riemers, (60 games) and Lower (55) the average for the rest drops down to just under 13 games. The three, higher game players, Harris, McLean and Blake, were not exactly superstars, but probably would have been over the average player payment, which last year was $283000, and they maybe reasonably affluent. The rest would have been far less than the average, and had very short careers, and you are telling us that they are loaded and don’t need money? In 2012 the AFL increased the rookie payments to $49000 from $35000. The base payment for first year player went to $56000 plus match payments for games played. For every Ablett, Buddy, Tom Boyd and Scully, you have the guys at the bottom of the eco chain essentially playing for base payments. Or was I out of the country when the announcements were made of the new lucrative contract deals signed by Veszpremi, Browne, Gourdis, Ben Ross, Hislop, and so on before they were delisted.

Take Ben Ross as an example. Played 14 games over four seasons for North, (2008-2011), a fringe player not on mega bucks. Rookie listed at the Hawks in 2014, ($49000), Played 4 games. This would have earned him match payment and a slight increase in base payment. Don’t know how much per game he would have got, but I am betting his total income would have been a lot less than $100k. Gee, he has got money to burn, can play for next to nothing at Pacco just to be with his brother! Iacobucci, 4 games in 2 seasons must have made a small fortune as well. You also want us to believe that Harris and Urquhart moved from APW to Pacco because they loved Pacco? No the money has run out at APW, so they both went with the $$$’s.

The majority of the ex-AFL group are between 23 and 27, prime age for footballers, and you are trying to convince us they will play because they like a club they have never been associated with. Again the majority, because of their full time commitment to AFL, did not have the opportunity to work on a career, and have not climbed a corporate ladder to earn big bucks, and are looking to maximize their income in both football and jobs. Sorry Turbo, but telling us they have plenty of money, that is an inane statement. I can understand Paul Chapman going back to NS, Michael Rischitelli and or Ivan Maric going back to Keilor and playing for lesser amounts to give something back to their junior clubs, but the lot we have in the EDFL at the moment are not there for that reason, they are there for the$$$’s, McLean and Addam Maric may be the exceptions.

I do not know how you arrive at your next comment, “However ex VFL are different as they play VFL for less money and therefore try and get some good money when they go local. They usually demand big money”. Yes they will try, but will they succeed? The VFL group, not being full time footballers, and on very low payments, will be more likely to have full time jobs and therefore less dependent on their football income. But also think about your logic, or lack thereof. Under your postulation, imagine I am recruiting for my club. I have the choice of player A, key forward, played a few games in the AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $1500 per game. Player B, key forward, VFL listed, never played AFL, wants $5000 sign on and $2000 per game, (reminder, this is your theory), who do I sign? Don’t you think the ex=VFL guys would be pricing themselves out of business?

Your next assertion, Pacco are not paying big money. You even had the temerity to chastise an older couple when they suggested that Pacco was paying more than Strathmore. Bluntly, you would not have a clue what other clubs are paying you are guessing, including what Pacco is paying, as we all are. I will also take a guess on your convoluted thinking process. I think you based your Pacco versus Strathmore payment on what the latter was willing to pay for Sikora. This was an issue of supply and demand. The inference through your posts is Pacco were happy to move Sikora on, meaning their supply of this type of commodity exceeded their demand, and not willing to meet his price, whereas Strathmore with the departure of Jones had a greater elasticity of demand versus supply. Hence they chased the commodity they needed, Sikora, to overcome their weakness, and were prepared to make him a generous offer. Your deduction from this…………Strathmore must be paying a veritable sh..load to their players, therefore they pay more than Pacco.

Enough of Turbo, Puff you have also made some less than enlightening comments. You said Turbo was delusional with some of player payment comments, well so are you, or you have been smoking that funny tobacco. You continually deny and try to minimize the Abers payments. This appears to be based on your theory that once players are there for a number of years, around five, they suddenly become “home grown” and that infers their payments reduce. I cannot see Courtney Johns, Tom Hislop and others agreeing to a pay cut because of their length of service. You would still be carrying the same payments for them from previous years, plus the new additions.

Over the years Keilor and Abers have at times chased the same players. A few examples, the Hislop boys. Brayden Norris. We were outbid by quite large margins in both cases. We also went very hard for Blackwell. Our offer was not in the same state let alone the same postcode as the Abers offer. I have heard, as would a lot of others that Abers budget is around the $400k, even some Abers people I know acknowledge this and the involvement of two significant benefactors. Is there anything wrong with paying an amount you can afford? No! So why get so defensive. You should be proud that your club has the ability to support that type of expenditure, whatever it is.

I have had my say, sorry to all if I have taken too much of your time. Turbo, to you I will use the same dismissive tone as you did in one of your post, I have had enough of this, time to move, so don’t bother trying to justify your position.


PS: Turbo, and others, get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word “there”, versus the word “their”. Makes me think some of you did not pass year twelve English.

I'm extremely proud of our football club, the people involved at every level and continue to be amazed by the work they carry out - off field and on field!

It's irrelevant what you think our budget is! It's $500K hang on $600K, all our junior coaches get paid, we have an admin staff of 37 (all paid) and there's take outs for all board members plus players don't pay subs, they all receive a weekly $200 Food & Bev allowance in addition to numerous cash bonuses - most get $50 a possession and $200 a goal - seniors and reserves.

No doubt some knucklehead on here will actually believe some of this crap!

Finally, I was also amazed by Blackies game last week, he's been a great addition to our football club!

 

[Deefer4]

"Deefer or should I call you Mick"

Did not read my profile too well Turbo, I joined in April 2005, well before Mick arrived at Keilor, 2008. Should I call you Umpy?

 

[Deefer4]

Love your post Deefer but l know there are better things to do on long weekends, you at least could of waited until you got back to work & wrote your post and then you would of been payed for it

Thanks Milkman, but maybe I was at work and getting paid. Could be there now as well.

 

[JustOverHere]

Not at all - I couldn't care less what other clubs spend on their players and coaches and don't waste time thinking about it!

Now that makes sense 'puffpuffgivemo'.. Applying the 'One rule fits all'.. #Puppetshow

 

[bigj639]

Hi all,

Being new to this league I logged on over the past few months to get a feel for what is being discussed around the traps. I am certainly surprised by all the talk of how much money Aberfeldie are spending and what clubs are close to them in terms of player payments. I went and had a look at the league history expecting to see Aberfeldie have dominate the competition for years. Am I right in saying that they have not won an A grade/Premier league flag since 1974? In fact since that day 10 different clubs have won the A grade premiership.

Strathmore 8
Keilor 7
Doutta Stars 5
Tullamarine 5
Glenroy 4
Greenvale 4
Airport West 2
Maribyrnong Park 2
Oak Park 2
Aberfeldie 1
East Keilor 1
So I am prone to ask, what is all the fuss about? Arent they entitled to some success and if they can afford to pay and players want to be there, isn't it their time, I mean its been 40 years.

 

[My North]

Greenvale lose there or their score for extra man on ground. Decison made. Now when does the round 8 Northen Saints vs Avondale Heights match get played or is it 2 points each?


http://www.essendondfl.com.au/news/...to-investigate-strathmore-v-greenvale-result/

 

[Stax on the mill]

Hi all,

Being new to this league I logged on over the past few months to get a feel for what is being discussed around the traps. I am certainly surprised by all the talk of how much money Aberfeldie are spending and what clubs are close to them in terms of player payments. I went and had a look at the league history expecting to see Aberfeldie have dominate the competition for years. Am I right in saying that they have not won an A grade/Premier league flag since 1974? In fact since that day 10 different clubs have won the A grade premiership.

Strathmore 8
Keilor 7
Doutta Stars 5
Tullamarine 5
Glenroy 4
Greenvale 4
Airport West 2
Maribyrnong Park 2
Oak Park 2
Aberfeldie 1
East Keilor 1
So I am prone to ask, what is all the fuss about? Arent they entitled to some success and if they can afford to pay and players want to be there, isn't it their time, I mean its been 40 years.

Avondale Heights should be in there as well as I believe they won in 1987, although records on EDFL website don't credit them with it. But I agree with the main thrust of your post. If a club is prepared to work super hard to raise the necessary funds, then they are entitled to spend it in whatever manner they see fit to give themselves the best chance of winning a premiership.

They shouldn't have to constantly explain and justify what they spend, and on whom, except to their own club members, and perhaps to Turbo as well.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Greenvale lose there or their score for extra man on ground. Decison made. Now when does the round 8 Northen Saints vs Avondale Heights match get played or is it 2 points each?


http://www.essendondfl.com.au/news/...to-investigate-strathmore-v-greenvale-result/

Would have been a travesty if the Mores had ended up winning the match ( and I barrack for Strathmore ). In the circumstances pretty disappointing performance getting out scored 6.10 to nil in the last quarter to ultimately get beaten by 10 points. I know it was windy, but surely they must have known there was a fair chance the Jets score to 3 quarter time was going to be wiped, and dug a lot deeper.

I know the ruling is there for a reason, but the actual application of it in practice seems a bit inequitable. If a club transgresses by having an extra player on the field for say 2 minutes in the first quarter then they only lose their score till then. At least they still have time to recover and win the match.

If they inadvertently commit the exact same transgression at the end of the 3rd quarter, or even late in the last quarter their score is wiped, a far more severe penalty, which would in most circumstances make winning the match impossible.

 

[Kaboose]

Northern Saints continue to be represented at coaching seminars. The impact of attending these workshops has seen the development of a more family orientated culture within the club and a significant development in the basic skills of its junior players.

 

[JustOverHere]

I'm extremely proud of our football club, the people involved at every level and continue to be amazed by the work they carry out - off field and on field!

It's irrelevant what you think our budget is! It's $500K hang on $600K, all our junior coaches get paid, we have an admin staff of 37 (all paid) and there's take outs for all board members plus players don't pay subs, they all receive a weekly $200 Food & Bev allowance in addition to numerous cash bonuses - most get $50 a possession and $200 a goal - seniors and reserves.

No doubt some knucklehead on here will actually believe some of this crap!

Finally, I was also amazed by Blackies game last week, he's been a great addition to our football club!

Joke that you may 'puffpuffgivemo' re total outgoing player payments from within your very own club but in fact the figure that you raise would actually be the figure closest to the amount of total outgoing player payments from within your very own club than any other poster has mentioned on this thread..

Posters continue to naively state on this thread that prized recruits salary within EDFL clubs is pure speculation yet many people know exactly how much each of them are receiving on a weekly basis and good luck to these players if clubs are prepared to pay them that amount. At least 90% of the prized recruits who are currently playing amongst the clubs in Premier Division in the EDFL had sat down with at least one rival club prior to signing with their current club they are playing with to discuss the possibilities of actually playing with them for season 2015..

Believe it or not, during those discussions the prized recruits in question openly state what they think their current market value is along with other current offers they have on the table in front of them to consider including sign on fees. Once a prized recruit finally makes his decision on destination of choice, it becomes pretty common knowledge as to the terms and conditions they are signing for as the prized recruit has openly discussed the terms and conditions with at least one other rival club, sometimes it's two, three or four rival clubs.

You only need a calculator to gain an accurate estimation of total outgoing player payments once clubs have formed their list for the current season..

 

[BlueJet]

Northern Saints continue to be represented at coaching seminars. The impact of attending these workshops has seen the development of a more family orientated culture within the club and a significant development in the basic skills of its junior players.

Well done to the Northern Saints and to all of those putting in hard work to improve the club.
After a difficult time both on and off the field it is important that their steps forward are recognised after copping it from all directions earlier on in the year.

It's also nice to see something other than gossipy shit on here for a change.

 

[Turbos mail]

Greenvale lose there or their score for extra man on ground. Decison made. Now when does the round 8 Northen Saints vs Avondale Heights match get played or is it 2 points each?


http://www.essendondfl.com.au/news/...to-investigate-strathmore-v-greenvale-result/

Avondale Heights should be in there as well as I believe they won in 1987, although records on EDFL website don't credit them with it. But I agree with the main thrust of your post. If a club is prepared to work super hard to raise the necessary funds, then they are entitled to spend it in whatever manner they see fit to give themselves the best chance of winning a premiership.

They shouldn't have to constantly explain and justify what they spend, and on whom, except to their own club members, and perhaps to Turbo as well.

Can't resist a reply boys.

My North - love the there or their!!!

Stax - good humour, love it. Starting to feel some love again boys..

And to Deefer (whoever you are) - the Turbo is not an umpire mate. I'm just over 100kgs at present so would struggle to keep up with the pace, especially through the centre mud "just kidding"
If I could get down to about 95kgs I might think about a 1 off appearance in the black & red and play on Puffpuffgivemo in Rd16. Haha..

Cheers boys.,