Essendon considers dumping Bendigo

[Lance Uppercut]

please god make it happen

 

[marcuz]

There is one issue for everyone to remember here.

AFLV is on record several times this year and last year as saying they are not interested in any more stand alone sides in the VFL


Until you here anything different coming out of AFLV then there will be no stand alone side.

If anyone had been following the recent issues with AFLV they would have know that a vote to give the AFL more voting power on the AFLV board was defeated and one of the reasons was they did not want the AFL to have the power to turn the VFL into an AFL seconds comp.

As recently as three weeks ago there was a comment in the VFL/TAC Cup record about not having any interest in givning any more stand alone licenes.
They where pushing ahead to improve the current VFL clubs with better alignments with the TAC Cup sides.

The story is pretty much made up of some Essendon comments to test the waters and some speculative assumptions to finish the story.

**** the VFL.

Bring back the reserves and the afl can fund any extra costs, god knows they can afford it.

In its current guise the VFL is a ****ing joke anyway, the AFL clubs have development as their first and sometimes only priority. While the VFL half just want to and need to win and be successful. Cut the VFL loose i say, if it dies then bad luck i couldnt care less. When country footy and metro footy is more appealing than the so called second best comp in the state then that says it all really.

 

[table tennis]

There is one issue for everyone to remember here.

AFLV is on record several times this year and last year as saying they are not interested in any more stand alone sides in the VFL


Until you here anything different coming out of AFLV then there will be no stand alone side.

If anyone had been following the recent issues with AFLV they would have know that a vote to give the AFL more voting power on the AFLV board was defeated and one of the reasons was they did not want the AFL to have the power to turn the VFL into an AFL seconds comp.

As recently as three weeks ago there was a comment in the VFL/TAC Cup record about not having any interest in givning any more stand alone licenes.
They where pushing ahead to improve the current VFL clubs with better alignments with the TAC Cup sides.

The story is pretty much made up of some Essendon comments to test the waters and some speculative assumptions to finish the story.

Maybe the AFL will hold the VFL to ransom like it has done for the past 10 years.

The VFL used to be a big thing. now its a mere proving ground for AFL clubs in terms of stand alone reserve sides. There is no money in it as there are no crowds. there are no crowds as there are no locals in the sides.

The AFL should go back to a format similar to what it used to have. The game surely has developed far enough at the top end to have this as a second nationwide competition.

I.e 17/18 (when G.C & W.S are involved) Sides complete with Reserves, play each other in sequence to the Senior levels. Obviously this would cost money. But if the AFL has money to spend in the Hundereds of Millions of dollars to fund these two new teams, than surely a truly professional set up is not out of the question.

You cant have the elite going between semi-professional to Full on professional all the time.

If the TAC CUP can have sides flying from interstate week to week, then surely we set up those clubs who have been making the leauge $$$$.

Obviously this would mean something like the rookie list to be extended, and clubs would have fairly large squads. If the AFL brokers Better stadium deals and relaxed the salary cap to suit, then all clubs could afford.

The VFL may do one of the following 2.

1. Fall apart
2. have the best locals playing there, and steadily regain the crowds of the previous decades and start to flourish again.

Thoughts????

 

[numchuks]

Gold Coast will play in the VFL next year, which will open a spot for you guys to enter a team and even up the comp.

Agree with those talking about bringing back the AFL reserves. Bring the reserves back as an Eastern Seaboard comp, and have the VFL revert back to the VFA and restore some pride to the league.

 

[CrowdedHouse]

As I posted on the BB Forum...

An Essendon alignment with Coburg CAN and SHOULD happen.

Remember Williamstown broke their alignment with Collingwood to hop back into bed with the Bulldogs again - with the Doggies leaving Werribee at the Altar.

The reason I believe we have a chance of aligning with Coburg is that Richmond is/has built a new facility at Craigieburn and have expressed interest in playing VFL games there.

It's know that the very small hardcore of Coburg supporters don't want to move from Coburg City Oval as it would no doubt be the death of the Coburg name.

So I suggest the Essendon board approaches Coburg and talks about an alignment from season 2010.

The advantages are...

Coburg has the Calder Cannons as their TAC Cup Club. That means both clubs and The Calder players are from the LOCAL area - giving Essendon alignment a real LOCAL feel.
Kids that grow up in the local area could litteraly come thru a system that from Under 18's to VFL to AFL keeps them in the local area.

Better Media Coverage - The Local Newspapers could give a Double Page spread on all 3 clubs - since we'd all be connected.

Essendon dollars to upgrade Coburg City Oval - We know the Moreland City Council won't spend any money, but the EFC could and help turn the ground into an asset for the local community - in conjuction with the EDFL both Windy Hill and Coburg could be used for local footy finals.


The Coburg alignment is the BEST for us - and the EFC need to get into talks NOW with Coburg to make it happen.


Peter.

 

[SirJimi05]

Jackson disappointed with Bendigo report

Thursday, 4 June 2009
for essendonfc.com.au
Page 1 of 1

Essendon managing director Peter Jackson said today he was disappointed with media reports that suggested the Club was set to drop its alignment with the Bendigo Bombers and field a stand-alone side in the VFL competition. Jackson said the Club was meeting with Bendigo to assess the current model.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=6702

 

[Darealrath]

If we can't get a stand alone team please at least align with a Melbourne VFL club. What we have now is rubbish.

 

[yaco55]

It is best to ask HFF whether a partnership with FFC would work ?

I believe that he has some links with the club !

 

[Bombertastic]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I guess it had to happen but it sucks for me. I live 5 mins from the QEO.

 

[stay true]

There is no guarantee that the VFL will give Essendon a licence.

Whome pasted a small part of the article and the complete article,mentions the possibility of liasing with Frankston.

The travel time from Essendon to Bendigo or Frankston is not much different, although you assume that there will be a greater pool of players to draw from the peninsula.

Dont assume that young players from the EDFL would necessarily play for Essendon Reserves - As many younger players prefer to play 'for money', rather than impressing in the VFL.

Finally, Is EFC prepared to spend extra money to fund a stand alone team - With no guarantee that onfield results will improve.

Yeah I read the full article and have to agree if we couldn't get a license that Frankston would be better alternative than Bendigo. I was just giving my personal preference.

As far as the kids from EDLF go, if they were serious about trying to break into the AFL, then surely playing VFL is a better option than playing in the EDFL. Ofcourse it all comes down to if they want it or not.

Also, just as table tennis mentioned, they guys from Calder, Western Jets and Northern Knights who were overlooked in the draft can use it as a 2nd chance to prove themselves worthy of making an AFL list.

 

[The Dustbin]

Please God let this happen.

From Adrian Hickmott...

"I keep saying to these blokes, it's like going to Western Australia."

Enough said. Even Hickey has had enough.

 

[ant555]

**** the VFL.

Bring back the reserves and the afl can fund any extra costs, god knows they can afford it.

In its current guise the VFL is a ****ing joke anyway, the AFL clubs have development as their first and sometimes only priority. While the VFL half just want to and need to win and be successful. Cut the VFL loose i say, if it dies then bad luck i couldnt care less. When country footy and metro footy is more appealing than the so called second best comp in the state then that says it all really.

I agree but it is not going to happen. The AFL have said within the last two weeks that they are not going to be pushing for or funding an AFL reserves comp or even a East Coast reserves comp. The only thing they are looking at is maybe working with the Canberra comp when West Sydney come in.

Personally i would prefer an East coast ressies comp and have the former VFL sides form a premier league ( or the VFA) with 5 or 6 of the best sunburban sides.

 

[ant555]

Maybe the AFL will hold the VFL to ransom like it has done for the past 10 years.

The VFL used to be a big thing. now its a mere proving ground for AFL clubs in terms of stand alone reserve sides. There is no money in it as there are no crowds. there are no crowds as there are no locals in the sides.

The AFL should go back to a format similar to what it used to have. The game surely has developed far enough at the top end to have this as a second nationwide competition.

I.e 17/18 (when G.C & W.S are involved) Sides complete with Reserves, play each other in sequence to the Senior levels. Obviously this would cost money. But if the AFL has money to spend in the Hundereds of Millions of dollars to fund these two new teams, than surely a truly professional set up is not out of the question.

You cant have the elite going between semi-professional to Full on professional all the time.

If the TAC CUP can have sides flying from interstate week to week, then surely we set up those clubs who have been making the leauge $$$$.

Obviously this would mean something like the rookie list to be extended, and clubs would have fairly large squads. If the AFL brokers Better stadium deals and relaxed the salary cap to suit, then all clubs could afford.

The VFL may do one of the following 2.

1. Fall apart
2. have the best locals playing there, and steadily regain the crowds of the previous decades and start to flourish again.

Thoughts????

Nice try but you must have missed the recent vote.
The AFL wanted more voting power and control ( practicly all control ) on the AFLV board. They threatend to cut funding to AFLV if the board did not vote in its favour.
The board of the AFLV did not back down and the motion was defeated. The AFL have since backed away from VFL issues saying the funding levels will remain the same and that they are happy with the current VFL set up.
You cant have the elite going between semi-professional to Full on professional all the time.


As far as that option goes i have said above and previously that i would prefer an East Coast reserves comp.
There is no way that you can align the TAC Cup sides with this as WA and SA clubs source kids from TAC Cup in the draft as well but in saying that the TAC Cup comp could stay the same anyway.

The VFL should get its original clubs together and reform the VFA and look to invite 5 or 6 strong suburban clubs to join to make up a 12 team Premier league type comp under the VFA banner. They could still get the ABC to cover a sunday arvo game and it would be going back to their roots a bit with a real competetion.

 

[yaco55]

Yeah I read the full article and have to agree if we couldn't get a license that Frankston would be better alternative than Bendigo. I was just giving my personal preference.

As far as the kids from EDLF go, if they were serious about trying to break into the AFL, then surely playing VFL is a better option than playing in the EDFL. Ofcourse it all comes down to if they want it or not.

Also, just as table tennis mentioned, they guys from Calder, Western Jets and Northern Knights who were overlooked in the draft can use it as a 2nd chance to prove themselves worthy of making an AFL list.

Ask Gary Ayres coach of Port Melbourne about young players wanting to prove it at VFL Level in the hope of being drafted into the AFL.

They dont attract the best talent because of $$$$$$$$

And I suggest that Port melbourne FC is a professionally run organisation.

 

[yaco55]

I am interested in why the SA and WA teams dont appear to have the problems with their state Leagues - As we do in Victoria ?

 

[stay true]

Ask Gary Ayres coach of Port Melbourne about young players wanting to prove it at VFL Level in the hope of being drafted into the AFL.

They dont attract the best talent because of $$$$$$$$

And I suggest that Port melbourne FC is a professionally run organisation.

Yeah I totally understand and agree.

I'm not expecting the very best of the undrafted to automatically want to play VFL and pass up better paying offers in local leagues. It's a comparison to the talent pool that's available to Bendigo for whatever reasons (travel distance etc).

 

[lemon chicken]

I am interested in why the SA and WA teams dont appear to have the problems with their state Leagues - As we do in Victoria ?

Better structure and distubution of playing talent. Lets not forget there is only 2 AFL clubs in each of those states and players from each club are drafted to their respective state league clubs as well as having much stronger links to the junior development side of things. Its taken till this year for VFL clubs to have the permission to select kids from the neighbouring U/18 sides to play and even still there is multiple rules to abide by.

Yeah I read the full article and have to agree if we couldn't get a license that Frankston would be better alternative than Bendigo. I was just giving my personal preference.

As far as the kids from EDLF go, if they were serious about trying to break into the AFL, then surely playing VFL is a better option than playing in the EDFL. Ofcourse it all comes down to if they want it or not.

Also, just as table tennis mentioned, they guys from Calder, Western Jets and Northern Knights who were overlooked in the draft can use it as a 2nd chance to prove themselves worthy of making an AFL list.

Why would kids from Calder, Jets and Knights want to drive to Frankston to train and play every week when they could go to Werribee or the Bullants? A Frankston alignment would be no better than the one we already have and Frankston would only be doing it for financial support rather than looking after Essendon's best interests.

 

[stay true]

I should have been more clear, but that was my reasons supporting a stand alone reserves team.

 

[Longy413]

There is one issue for everyone to remember here.

It shouldn't stop us dumping Bendigo though.

Bendigo isn't working and it never will. Stand alone or another alignment then we make it happen.

The story is pretty much made up of some Essendon comments to test the waters and some speculative assumptions to finish the story.

I don't think it is an assumption. The club is reviewing all three options.

 

[table tennis]

Ask Gary Ayres coach of Port Melbourne about young players wanting to prove it at VFL Level in the hope of being drafted into the AFL.

They dont attract the best talent because of $$$$$$$$

And I suggest that Port melbourne FC is a professionally run organisation.

There is a lot of money floating under tables at Port Melbourne. Blind Freddy can see that.

 

[bacon buster]

Jackson disappointed with Bendigo report

Thursday, 4 June 2009
for essendonfc.com.au
Page 1 of 1

Essendon managing director Peter Jackson said today he was disappointed with media reports that suggested the Club was set to drop its alignment with the Bendigo Bombers and field a stand-alone side in the VFL competition. Jackson said the Club was meeting with Bendigo to assess the current model.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=6702

'disappointed with reports' is very different to 'categorically denied reports'

stand alone is the only way to go. i would love to see the return of a proper reserves comp. reserves played as the occasional curtain raiser would be awesome too.

 

[ant555]

It shouldn't stop us dumping Bendigo though.

Bendigo isn't working and it never will. Stand alone or another alignment then we make it happen.




I don't think it is an assumption. The club is reviewing all three options.

It was an article made up of assumptions and quotes taken out of context. You know a bit about what is going on at the club. Find out their opinion on the journo who wrote the piece and find how how the club feels about him taking snipets of what was said in interviews and using them totaly context.
The quotes from Hickmott where totaly wrong and only small parts of what he said where used.

The review is not big news. Both Bendigo and Essendon do a review around the half way mark of the season every year.

As much as i would like a stand alone side it won't be an option until you here otherwise from AFLV. That leaves Bendigo or Frankston unless there is a change in aligment with other clubs which at this stage looks unlikely.

I am not too sure about the Frankston option simply becasue there are a few involved at the club that like to have control of all issues including coaching appointments and which side the players line up in.

 

[ant555]

'disappointed with reports' is very different to 'categorically denied reports'

stand alone is the only way to go. i would love to see the return of a proper reserves comp. reserves played as the occasional curtain raiser would be awesome too.

Trust me the club is very angry with the story. A lot of the quotes from Hickmott and Hamilton where only small parts of a conversation and used totaly out of context.
From what i here this bloke has totaly burnt his bridge to the Essednon FC.

As far what you want why is it people wont listen.

Until you here from AFVL stand alone is not an option. Given AFLV have said as recently as 3 weeks ago they are not going down that road again it is safe to say at this stage stand alone is not an option unless there is a big change of thinking at AFLV.

The curtain raisers will never happen. MCG and the Dome dont want them.

 

[Longy413]

Ant, the only thing I would question is whether they're upset at the way to article is written or the fact that it got out in the first place.

I think the review is big news, because this is the first time it's actually not being conducted for the sake of a review and a move is seriously being considered and is at the forefront of thinking.

There has to be a better option.

 

[bacon buster]

Trust me the club is very angry with the story. A lot of the quotes from Hickmott and Hamilton where only small parts of a conversation and used totaly out of context.
From what i here this bloke has totaly burnt his bridge to the Essednon FC.

As far what you want why is it people wont listen.

Until you here from AFVL stand alone is not an option. Given AFLV have said as recently as 3 weeks ago they are not going down that road again it is safe to say at this stage stand alone is not an option unless there is a big change of thinking at AFLV.

The curtain raisers will never happen. MCG and the Dome dont want them.

i'm hearing what you're saying, i'm saying that ideally, we should be pushing for stand alone. we should be fighting for it.

curtain raisers are pipe dreams though, i know.