Roast Essendon Review Internal

[TheDon35]

I'm defending one of Knights or the list.

It is indisputable that one of them must be doing OK, given the regularity with which we beat good teams. Sure, we're inconsistent, but there is indisputably something positive at the EFC.

Whether it's the coach or the list, I'll leave you to decide.

IMO, and IMO only, the list is poor, ergo it's the coach that's doing something right.

But according to Knights, when he took over, he was extremely happy with the list. He then had 3 years to build on it.

So if it's the list that's terrible, for a good coach, he's a horrible judge of football talent. Stanton 3 years ago: "an elite midfielder" case in point.

Great that you want to support the coach. Based on all the factors put together, it certainly doesn't appear that he's doing a good job.

Would have thought Lloyd has a fairly decent grasp on footy.

 

[The Donners]

Lance

You did not answer my question..

I agree that all these players have shown an ability at the top level.

Jetta (on the weekend), Reimers (in his first year and a half), Houli (in his first year) whilst even I was appreciative of the output that David Myers put in during the Bulldogs win earlier in the year.

Why have these players not kicked on as some/most of the other clubs kids in this age bracket done?

Reimers has struggled with injury, Jetta is a late bloomer, Houli is soft and Myers isn't given a consistent run in the seniors and in the middle.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Lance

You did not answer my question..

I agree that all these players have shown an ability at the top level.

Jetta (on the weekend), Reimers (in his first year and a half), Houli (in his first year) whilst even I was appreciative of the output that David Myers put in during the Bulldogs win earlier in the year.

Why have these players not kicked on as some/most of the other clubs kids in this age bracket done?

wtf?

Are you seriously asking me, a random BF nobody - with no inside information into the club - why out of a million variables or so, that certain players haven't "kicked on" in some sort of fictional, mythical orderly fashion that you seem to believe is standard?

I am bemused.

This is really my point. There is no flowchart on how players develop.

If you want to have this discussion, then please list the "most" of the players from other clubs who have allegedly kicked on. I realise that's going to be a ****ing big list if in fact "most" of the kids within the AFL of 3 years or so have in fact "kicked on", but you're the one making the call, not me

 

[The Donners]

Really?

I didn't think he was..


ok he was there, but Lloyd "requested to sit next to CEO Peter Jackson and not next to coach Matthew Knights" makes for interested reading..

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26115956-23211,00.html?from=public_rss


I really do respect Lloyd, he is one ex - player who I think we should/need to get on side and begin to start defending the club.. Same goes for Hird.

People (I personally think) respect what they have to say in the media, and what they are saying at the moment is not all entirely good about the club.

The board are incompetent, the players have no skills, the coach is reticent on match day, we don't spend enough on the football department, we've got amongst the worst facilities in the AFL and the assistant coaches haven't improved any area of our game. I'm not sure what anyone could say to spin this reality.

 

[Yoda_]

Reimers has struggled with injury, Jetta is a late bloomer, Houli is soft and Myers isn't given a consistent run in the seniors and in the middle.

Reimers is a one way down hill skier who has shown what since mid 2008?

Jetta is a late bloomer, agreed. Am actually thinking we keep him, as long as we play him as a half forward, instead of piigeon holing him as a forward pocket indigenous jet that has become common in the AFL.

Houli is not soft, if he is, I obviously cannot see it. Houli is not an inside player, he is an outside player that some people are obviously obsessed with. .

Myers is one player who I have taken great interest in, wanting to see where he ends up and what he ends up becoming.

He is indecisive and looks cumbersome with ball in hand. His booming left foot is something of a major talking point. He more often than not, throws it onto the boot without actually thinking about where it is going.

He often tries to much, is this because of his indecisiveness? I dont know..

wtf?

Are you seriously asking me, a random BF nobody - with no inside information into the club - why out of a million variables or so, that certain players haven't "kicked on" in some sort of fictional, mythical orderly fashion that you seem to believe is standard?

I am bemused.

This is really my point. There is no flowchart on how players develop.

If you want to have this discussion, then please list the "most" of the players from other clubs who have allegedly kicked on. I realise that's going to be a ****ing big list if in fact "most" of the kids within the AFL of 3 years or so have in fact "kicked on", but you're the one making the call, not me

Lance

2007 Draft (David Myers # 6)

Cyril Rioli
Harry Taylor
Matthew Kruezer
Brad Ebert
Cale Morton
Scott Thompson (N.M)
Dennis Armfield
Scott Selwood
Trent Cotchin
Patrick Dangerfield
Chris Masten
Craig Bird
Rhys Palmer
[/B]Tayte Pears [/B]
[/B]Cale Hooker[/B]
James Polkinghorne
Callan Ward
Chris Mayne
Jack Grimes
Andy Otten
Jarrad Grant


All players that are beggining to cement themselves in the best 22 at there respective clubs.

2006 Draft: (Leroy Jetta # 18, Bachar Houli # 42, Kyle Reimers # 47)

Joel Selwood
Bryce Gibbs
David Rodan
Lindsay Thomas
Travis Boak
Shane Edwards
Justin Westoff
Jack Riewoldt
Kurt Tippet
James Frawley
Tom Hawkins
Alwyn Davey
David McKay
Robbie Gray
Matthew Lleunberger
Colin Garland
Jesse White
Todd Goldstein
Ricky Petterd
Chris Dawes
Ben Reid

Players in bold are kids who are are really beginning to 'kick on' as you call it..

I just feel that Myers in particular is one player who is failing to kick on.
Hope that helps..

 

[Yoda_]

The board are incompetent, the players have no skills, the coach is reticent on match day, we don't spend enough on the football department, we've got amongst the worst facilities in the AFL and the assistant coaches haven't improved any area of our game. I'm not sure what anyone could say to spin this reality.

Do you know what Donners..

You have just about summer everything I have been saying for the past 8 weeks up in one sentance.

Thanks bud

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Pears & Hooker no good hey HFF?

 

[Yoda_]

Pears & Hooker no good hey HFF?

Slight miscue on the list Lance..

Will fix now

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Slight miscue on the list Lance..

Will fix now

Haha I was all like you gots to be ****ing kidding me I didn't think our disagreement ran that deep

 

[Yoda_]

Haha I was all like you gots to be ****ing kidding me I didn't think our disagreement ran that deep

Nuh dude, all good

 

[The Donners]

Pears & Hooker no good hey HFF?

Hooker is extremely overrated by Essendon supporters.

 

[whats_at_stake]

Hooker is extremely overrated by Essendon supporters.

Yep- as are Pears and Hurley. Both are young and have shown signs but have not had a solid season two years in a row. I still think all three will be our defenders for the next 8 years but they are are not the brilliant players everyone is making them out to be.

Will be good but have not proven it yet.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Hooker is extremely overrated by Essendon supporters.

wtf are you talking about? All Essendon supporters? Or all but you oh wise one?

I haven't seen anyone call Hooker a superstar. But he's definitely best 22, which is the context of the discussion. Do you want to dispute that?

Hooker is a young colt still getting control of his body. At times he's awkward and his decision making can be questionable. At other times, like his pretty much BOG game against St Kilda, he shows that he can be a seriously useful big backman.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of your gloomy pessimistic vitriol

 

[The Donners]

wtf are you talking about? All Essendon supporters? Or all but you oh wise one?

You and others. How often does he get caught out ball watching as his direct opponent is 20-30 metres in the clear?

I haven't seen anyone call Hooker a superstar. But he's definitely best 22, which is the context of the discussion. Do you want to dispute that?

It says more about the list than the player. Hooker would not be best 22 if we were challenging for a premiership. Fringe player at best.

Hooker is a young colt still getting control of his body. At times he's awkward and his decision making can be questionable. At other times, like his pretty much BOG game against St Kilda, he shows that he can be a seriously useful big backman.

First half of the game. What about when he gets towelled up? You can't call a young colt good because he plays a decent half one week yet gets beaten 4 out of every 5 games. Sure, he's athletic, he tries hard and he loves a contest. A stopper he is not.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of your gloomy pessimistic vitriol

It's called visual observation.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

It's called visual observation.

yeah, **** me dead, I can't believe a 6'6" guy isn't an absolute superstar at age 21. What a disgrace. There's no way he can improve is there?

WE ARE A BASKET CASE

 

[The Donners]

yeah, **** me dead, I can't believe a 6'6" guy isn't an absolute superstar at age 21. What a disgrace. There's no way he can improve is there?

WE ARE A BASKET CASE

I'd take solid or reliable of which he is neither.

I don't believe the issue I had was anything to do with whether he could improve or not.

We are a basket case.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I just feel that Myers in particular is one player who is failing to kick on.
Hope that helps..

I find it amazing that so many people forget that Myers is effectively a 'tall' player. He is the same height as Jay Neagle and Tayte Pears. Most people understand that tall players take a little longer to establish themselves at AFL level than smaller players.

Give the guy a break and understand that not all players need to develop in the AFL. Some develop better by getting games under their belt in the VFL with the odd AFL game here and there.

Myers will take longer to develop than his 2007 draft midfield contemporaries because he is bigger than them. When he was drafted this was fully expected by the club.

 

[Yoda_]

I find it amazing that so many people forget that Myers is effectively a 'tall' player. He is the same height as Jay Neagle and Tayte Pears. Most people understand that tall players take a little longer to establish themselves at AFL level than smaller players.

Give the guy a break and understand that not all players need to develop in the AFL. Some develop better by getting games under their belt in the VFL with the odd AFL game here and there.

Myers will take longer to develop than his 2007 draft midfield contemporaries because he is bigger than them. When he was drafted this was fully expected by the club.

OK..

Lets get a few things sorted shall we?

Jobe Watson 190cm
David Myers 190cm

Any difference?

He was drafted not as a midfielder but as a defender where he has struggled at in the AFL.

He has hardly showed a scaric of showing consistency as a # 6 draft pick.. Apart from that one good game V Dogs, how many other games can you say "gee Myers was good"?

Just out of curiousity, where do you find Bachar Houli at? Do you see that he has had his chances?

 

[The Donners]

OK..

Lets get a few things sorted shall we?

Jobe Watson 190cm
David Myers 190cm

Any difference?

How soon we forget. Watson didn't come good until he was 23.

He was drafted not as a midfielder but as a defender where he has struggled at in the AFL.

He has hardly showed a scaric of showing consistency as a # 6 draft pick.. Apart from that one good game V Dogs, how many other games can you say "gee Myers was good"?

How many games can you say he played in the midfield?

Just out of curiousity, where do you find Bachar Houli at? Do you see that he has had his chances?

There is no wow factor with Houli.

 

[danielgb123]

There is no wow factor with Houli.

Myers hasn't displayed a wow factor as of yet either, and for someone picked so highly you'd expect at least a glimpse of that.

Houli was picked up at 42 in the draft, he's shown more than Myers has and out of the two deserves that midfield role, IMO at least.

 

[LeeARM]

I'd like to keep Myers because he's got a big body, he can play back and midfield, he was an early pick (I know that doesn't mean he's an automatic good player but it means there must have some talent) and I keep seeing him in the bests for Bendigo games. I might be assuming too much but if he does reach his potential then he'd be a very handy player for us.

At the same time I can see that we might want to cut our losses and trade him while he still has some value, something Collingwood should have done with Fraser years ago.

 

[Childish Gambino]

Lol at some of these comments. There will be no way Essendon would even consider getting rid of Myers.

HFF Myers still needs time to develop. Don't forget the fact he is only 21.

He has shown glimpses of being a solid ball winning midfielder when given his chance on the ball in the seniors.

 

[The Donners]

Myers hasn't displayed a wow factor as of yet either, and for someone picked so highly you'd expect at least a glimpse of that.

Houli was picked up at 42 in the draft, he's shown more than Myers has and out of the two deserves that midfield role, IMO at least.

I don't agree that Houli has shown more, he might've picked up more touches in a game but he definitely hasn't shown more.

 

[Slattery_20]

OK..

Lets get a few things sorted shall we?

Jobe Watson 190cm
David Myers 190cm

Any difference?

And what was Jobe doing in his 3rd year... waddling around the forward flank in the 2s carrying about 10kg extra ? DELIST IMMEDIATELY!

The complete lack of patience kills me sometimes.
Myers is clearly coming on slowly, well durr; but he has actually showed definite improvement: had 2 or 3 games this year where he's had an impact & those have been the best 2 or 3 games of his career. He'll be a solid AFL player.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

OK..

Lets get a few things sorted shall we?

Jobe Watson 190cm
David Myers 190cm

Any difference?

He was drafted not as a midfielder but as a defender where he has struggled at in the AFL.

He has hardly showed a scaric of showing consistency as a # 6 draft pick.. Apart from that one good game V Dogs, how many other games can you say "gee Myers was good"?

Just out of curiousity, where do you find Bachar Houli at? Do you see that he has had his chances?

I believe everyone else has responded quite well enough for me regarding Myers.

Houli I believe will be a solid player, but unfortunately would like to have seen more of him at the top level. I would not be unhappy if we managed to secure a reasonable trade for him. At the same time I would not be unhappy to retain his services for another year. I won't cry either way.

Definitely a fringe player atm with that teasing potential to be anything, including nothing.