Extra time in H & A rounds?

[Mervyn Beasley]

Probably been done before this thread.

But anyway. Jade Rawlings made another call for it yesaterday after the draw with Nth.

What are peoples thoughts?

For mine, I dont like it.

I feel the aim of the Home and away rounds is to compile as many points as you can in striving for the top 4 or 8, and how they come is irrelevant.

Draws are extremely rare and great drama when they happen.

Imagine drawing against a team you hate. You play 5 min extra time, you've got 4 injured on the bench, and someone propping at FF. The umps are under double the pressure with both teams flooding and one of them makes a howler which results in a goal and you lose.
The 2 points you would have got would have put you in top 4, and the extra 2 (hated team) gets has enabled them to scrape into the 8.

Doesnt bear thinking about does it?

 

[damochandler]

no way. this only happens when there is a draw and probably when a team has just blown a big lead to draw a match. isnt that what happened yesterday. they play over 100 minutes of football. what does jade want to kill his players or something

 

[Clay Davis]

Coaches throw it out there to distract from the inevitable hard questions of why the team didn't win. I doubt it's a serious request at all.

 

[KardiniaPark]

Jade asked for it?. LOL!. If there was 5 minutes extra time at each end they would have lost by 7 goals!.

 

[JeffDunne]

A coach with training wheels should just worry about coaching.

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

I do not want extra time, only in finals. I like the idea of teams on different points to others.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

umm no. Draws are a unique part of our sport. The only other sport i can think of which accepts a draw/tie is Soccer, and even then, most of their games are "nothing" due to a lop-sided comp

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If you cant get the win in regular time then you dont deserve the opportunity to get the win in extra time.

The only time extra time is legitimate is in finals. And the ONLY reason its ok in finals is to aid with scheduling.

 

[Sunday Red]

Golden point

 

[jakethesnake]

Draws have a place in the game, and I don't have a problem with them. No extra time should be played.

 

[barry06]

No way. A draw is a result in all team sports except in knockout situations, like the finals.

 

[POPE]

golden goal

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

My beef with the current system is that there are three methods depending on the time of year

H & A, stays a draw
Come finals time, extra time
GF, replay (maybe this has changed recently though? Not sure)

Seems silly

Should all use extra time and get a result

I used to be all for the draw, but after seeing more recently the look on players and fans faces after a draw, it's as though everyone has lost, which they have

 

[greenred]

Richmond really should have made sure Terry's book of 'How to spin anything' left when he did...

Surely Rawlings has some bigger issues to worry about, like how you can only manage a draw after being 7 goals up.

 

[pepsi]

A coach with training wheels should just worry about coaching.

I thought the same thing. How is Rawlings, been coaching for about 4 weeks and already wants the game changed. A draw is such a rarity in AFL and is a unique part of it as well. And his comparison to the 1st test is also stupid. The draw in cricket is very important and thrilling also.

And the feeling after you have been to a game where your team has drawn is also unique. It is such an eerie atmoshpere, the crowd is mostly silent.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

My beef with the current system is that there are three methods depending on the time of year

H & A, stays a draw
Come finals time, extra time
GF, replay (maybe this has changed recently though? Not sure)

Seems silly

Should all use extra time and get a result

I used to be all for the draw, but after seeing more recently the look on players and fans faces after a draw, it's as though everyone has lost, which they have

Once you get to finals it's a knockout system so a result is required.
A result is not required during H and A.
H and A is just like a giant 'round robin' tournament to qualify for the knockout phase.

 

[Astro_]

Coaches throw it out there to distract from the inevitable hard questions of why the team didn't win. I doubt it's a serious request at all.

Spot on

We also often hear a coach say "they are the best team we have played all year" to point out why they have just been pumped.

As for extra time, 4 qrts of football is enough to decide a winner. If it cant be done in that timeframe so be it.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Once you get to finals it's a knockout system so a result is required.
A result is not required during H and A.
H and A is just like a giant 'round robin' tournament to qualify for the knockout phase.

Oh ... I thought H & A was just all warmup matches. Thanks for clarifying

My point is, why have three different systems depending on the time of year?

 

[blueski]

If you cant get the win in regular time then you dont deserve the opportunity to get the win in extra time.

The only time extra time is legitimate is in finals. And the ONLY reason its ok in finals is to aid with scheduling.

Agree totally.. it's common sense and it's the fairest outcome.

Must be a slow start to the news week, I can't believe how much air time this is getting... as it does every time there is a draw which is once a year if that!!!

Good bit of spin from Rawlings though, after throwing away a 7 goal lead all the talk is about wheter we should play extra time.. he's learning pretty quickly

Granted, it's not ideal that it's not a consistent system with finals... but unfortunately there is really no other way around it. A bit like the dreaded penalty shoot out in soccer finals.. they do it as they don't really have a choice, although everyone knows it's down to pot luck when this occurs. At least in our case, draws in finals will always be a rarity.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Oh ... I thought H & A was just all warmup matches. Thanks for clarifying

My point is, why have three different systems depending on the time of year?

Because there are 3 different phases.
-Warm up as you put it.
-Knockout to qualify for the big one.
-Then the big one!

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

It just doesn't make sense to me that there are three different ways of treating the same circumstance, based on whether it's H&A, a final that isn't the GF, and then the granny

That'd be like having a different set of rules apply to pre season matches that don't then apply to the regular season

 

[Shinboner Schem]

Not a chance!

My favourite game that i've seen live was the draw played out between North and the Lions about 5 years ago. Any other result would have been less memorable.


perhaps they could play Auld Lang Syne after a drawn result instead of having complete silence though.

 

[Belnakor]

GF, replay (maybe this has changed recently though? Not sure)

I thought they did change it to extra time.

Playing extra time would just give the losing coach an excuse for the next week - "our guys were so tired from playing an extra quarter" etc.

Also add that extra time has always been one sided. They just do it in finals to stop it screwing with scheduling.

 

[damochandler]

I thought they did change it to extra time.

Playing extra time would just give the losing coach an excuse for the next week - "our guys were so tired from playing an extra quarter" etc.

Also add that extra time has always been one sided. They just do it in finals to stop it screwing with scheduling.

they havent changed it. it's still a replay if a draw happens

 

[mcgarnacle]

umm no. Draws are a unique part of our sport. The only other sport i can think of which accepts a draw/tie is Soccer, and even then, most of their games are "nothing" due to a lop-sided comp

you dont think too hard do you.........cricket, matches in rugby competitions may also end tied. it's american sports that generally dont.

and i find the comment regading' a lop-sided comp' amusing. sure, the AFL admin's manipulation and tight restrictions on recruiting promotes a cycling of the comp, but to think that a given AFL season isnt lopsided must be a joke, or just plain ignorance.

and every game of a season in european football comps means something because all match results are determining. the big domestic leagues dont incorporate a post season like the AFL. in contrast, there are overwhelming stats that prove that games between teams during the regular season in the AFL mean nothing when it comes to finals and the GF.

but personally, i reckon a tied result should be maintained in the regular season. in a league ---> finals competition setup, the reg season is basically a 5-month qualification process for the post-season where the performance over the entire period is the determining factor for post-season qualification, rather than the outcome of any individual game. tied results are yet another indicator for the performance of a team over this period.