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Sydney Swans vs Adelaide Crows
Sydney Cricket Ground, 7:10pm AEST, Saturday 26th July

The Story So Far
The Crows started the season with a narrow loss to the second best team in the comp. Thereafter they made their way to an 8-3 record at the mid point of the season. Only a couple of speed humps there, the most notable of which was our traditional demolition at the hands of West Coast.

Since that time though, it's been a very different story. The Crows lost in a thriller to the high flying Hawks, before progressively disintegrating against Brisbane, Geelong and Collingwood.

To this point we could at least argue that we'd only lost to teams in the top 8 (and our nemesis in West Coast). Things hit a new low in R16 when the Crows fell victim to a Port Adelaide team playing their "Grand Final in July". This loss was to a team who hadn't won in well over a month and who were not even close to making the finals.

Sydney also started the season with a loss, but returned to form with a run of 3 straight wins. They hit a couple of speed bumps in Geelong, North Melbourne & Footscray in consecutive weeks. Since then they've only lost twice, to well credentialed Hawthorn and Collingwood.

Like Adelaide, Sydney have struggled to beat the top teams. Unlike Adelaide, they haven't slipped up against Brisbane or any of the bottom 8 sides.

The History
The Crows have had the wood over the Swans for years. Put simply, they've become our bunnies. Adelaide have won 8 of the last 9 encounters between these two sides, with 4 of those wins coming at the SCG.

Adelaide's only loss in that streak was in Neil Craig's 2nd ever game as coach (while he was still technically in caretaker mode). Even in that game, Adelaide won 3 of 4 quarters - though Sydney put enough hurt on the board in the quarter they won to ensure the result went their way.

However, it's not been a good year for the Crows and their bunnies. Going into the year we had minor bunny holdings on Brisbane & Collingwood, with North & Port dressing up in rabbit suits every time they faced us. Of these, only North's bunny status remains intact. If ever Sydney were to overcome their mental block and defeat us, this would be the time.

The Game Plans
Adelaide & Sydney both have two gameplans - one dour, boring and defensive, the other attractive, high scoring and offensive.

In the past, Sydney have generally reserved their attacking option for two situations - against weaker sides for whom they have little respect and for better sides, in the final term when the dour & boring plan has failed dismally and they found themselves on the scoreboard. Their dour & boring gameplan has generally been used to combat the better sides, in an attempt to shutdown their opponent's ability to score. It's rarely been successful, but that's never stopped them from using it. On the other hand, with the firepower they've had at their disposal, their attractive attacking gameplan is frequently devastatingly effective.

Adelaide started the year using their attacking gameplan, playing on through the corridor and moving the ball quickly into attack. It worked like a dream early in the season, with 100+ point scores kicked in 5 of the first 9 games. Since then they've only managed it once - against Richmond.

Somewhere, somehow, Adelaide lost their way and reverted to the old chip-chip possession game which made them one of the least attractive teams to watch during the injury plagued 2007. Having had relatively few injuries this year, the backsliding can only be put down to a lack of confidence and a lack of decent forwards. The latter problem was compounded when they lost Burton & Porplyzia in the R14 game against Collingwood, thus depriving the Crows of their only two forwards with any X-factor.

On the whole, Sydney have been far more attacking than the Crows this year, scoring 66 more points than the Crows. Underscoring Adelaide's midfield weaknesses, the Crows defence have conceded 158 more points than the Swans this year.

Adelaide's Team
B: Graham Johncock, Ben Rutten, Nathan Bassett
HB: Kris Massie, Nathan Bock, Michael Doughty
C: Brad Symes, Simon Goodwin, Andrew McLeod
HF: Chris Knights, Nick Gill, Nathan van Berlo
F: Tyson Edwards, Kurt Tippett, Bernie Vince
R: Ivan Maric, Scott Thompson, Robert Shirley
Int: Brad Moran, Richard Douglas, Scott Stevens, Bryce Campbell

The only change I see happening is Luke Jericho being omitted after another soft as butter performance in the Showdown. He will be replaced by Nick Gill, who kicked 7 goals in an unusually accurate display of goalkicking prowess for North Adelaide.

Crows fans will be hoping to see Taylor Walker's name appear on the team list, but they are unlikely to receive any joy. Apparently he's not the solution to our forward line woes - which begs two questions: What IS the solution? And do we even know what the question is?

Sydney's Changes
Michael O'Loughlin looks like being a big omission for the Swans, missing with an ankle injury. He's kicked 36 goals this year and leads their goalscoring list by 15. In Hall's absence he's been an ever reliable avenue to goal.

Barry Hall appears set to make his return, having previously been dumped from the team after his second attempt to remove an opponent's head from his shoulders. Big Bad Bustling Barry might have spent most of the year on the sidelines, but he's been a potent force when he has taken to the field - with 17 goals from 7 games, including two bags of 5.

Leo Barry also appears likely to miss out, courtesy of a hamstring complaint. Given the weakness of Adelaide's forward line, I doubt he will even be missed.

Ryan O'Keefe is carrying a knee injury, which required injections last week in order for him to see out the game. Must have been something good in the syringe though, because he picked up a game-high 29 disposals last week.

Adam Goodes also played out the game last week with a groin injury, but it almost certainly won't be enough to make him miss this week. They have some seriously good medicos in the Harbour Town.

The Match Ups
Barry Hall's inclusion is ironically a bonus for Adelaide. Ben Rutten has an outstanding record against him and will once again be tasked with handling one of the game's few remaining gorilla type forwards. Rutten seems to struggle when opposed by a more nimble smaller forward, so the return of Hall will give him someone he is naturally equipped to combat.

In the absence of Mickey O, Ryan O'Keefe is probably their next most dangerous forward. Doughty will probably get the job here, having the engine to go with him as he ventures into the middle of the ground (O'Keefe is also Sydney's 2nd highest possession winner).

Jarrad McVeigh is Sydney's second highest goal scorer, with 21 goals to his name. Massie, Bassett or Johncock will be given this assignment (Massie being my first preference).

Nathan Bock will probably get to run with Henry Playfair. All due respect to Playfair, but this should be a big win to the Crows.

Adam Goodes will face a new opponent. Adelaide used to have Mattner run with him, but now Mattner's on their side. Shirley's our primary stopper, but I'm not sure he'll be able to go with Goodes. Maybe we'll just opt to go head-to-head with him and hope to come out even - this could easily backfire as Goodes can seriously hurt you if allowed to roam free.

Kurt Tippett is Adelaide's only forward of any note, unless Nick Gill makes his return. Tippett would probably be held by Lewis Roberts-Thompson.

Not sure who Nick Gill would attract, in the absence of Leo Barry. Might even be former Crow Martin Mattner.

The Result
The Crows are down on confidence, with a forward line that hasn't kicked more than 11 goals in a game since R11.

Sydney are coming off a hard fought win over Carlton, with 3 wins from their last 5 games. The Swans should be far more confident than the Crows, particularly on their own home ground.

Adelaide's only chance is to turn this game into a low scoring slugfest. If they can do that, then they just might be successful.

On the other hand, there is no reason I can think of why Sydney should dignify the Crows with their dour, boring gameplan. If they have any sense at all, they will attack from beginning to end. If they do this, they will win comfortably.

Swans by 25 points.
 
Thanks to grimlock, from the Sydney board:

grimlock said:
Line Up
The Swans have significant injury concerns over key players going into the match. The mercurial Michael O'Loughlin has already been ruled out with an ankle injury, while Leo Barry has been rated a 50/50 chance of recovering from the hamstring strain that kept him out of the final quarter of the Carlton game. The two other players in doubt, Ryan O'Keefe (ankle) and Adam Goodes (groin), are better chances of taking their places in the team. Nick Malceski (calf, although rumours persist over his knee) has been a late withdrawal in the last 2 games and is in doubt for Saturday as well. Amon Buchanan is in the midst of a 4 game suspension, while fringe players Nic Fosdike, Ed Barlow, Nick Davis, Tim Schmidt and Matt Laidlaw will not be considered due to injury.

The other major question concerns the possible return of Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall. Coach Paul Roos has categorically stated that a decision on Hall's return would not be influenced by Micky O's absence from the team, and the decision would lie solely with his state of mind. Hall travelled with the team to Melbourne last week, sparking rumours that he might have been a shock late inclusion, so his return must not be far off. Rookie Matt O'Dwyer tackled well when the result was up for grabs and will be rewarded with another game. Heath Grundy was surprisingly stationed in defence last week, but with the Crows not playing many tall forwards, the return of another runner in Malceski will bring more balance to the side.

Projected Team
B: Bevan Barry Mattner
HB: Kennelly Richards C.Bolton
C: Bird J.Bolton McVeigh
HF: R.O'Keefe Hall Ablett
F: Moore Roberts-Thomson Playfair
R: Jolly Kirk Goodes
Int: O'Dwyer Jack Everitt Malceski
Emg: Grundy Brennan Smith

In: Hall Malceski
Out: O'Loughlin (ankle) Grundy

Recent history
The Swans fought out a nailbiting win against Carlton last week, which halted a slide of 2 losses against Collingwood and Hawthorn. The quality of football over these past 3 games has been relatively poor, highlighted by numerous turnovers and a struggle to transfer the ball from defence to attack. There was a marked improvement in the 2nd half against Carlton, when the a freer game plan was employed and a greater willingness from the players to run made ball movement much easier. Question marks remain over the team's ability to handle star key forwards (Cloke, Franklin, Fevola) who have kicked bags against them.

Much was made of Collingwood's recent dominance over Sydney (6 straight wins), but arguably Adelaide's chokehold over the Swans has been greater. 8 of the last 9 matches have resulted in Crows victories, the only blemish happening in one of Neil Craig's first games in charge. Ever since Craig was appointed the head coach, the Swans have struggled to post big scores against the Crows - struggling under the immense defensive pressure of the Adelaide side. The Round 4 clash last year was particularly horrible with the Swans kicking 1.6 at halftime and finishing with 5.14 to post their lowest ever score under Roos. Poor and inaccurate kicking for goal, a common complaint among Swans followers, has been a lowlight of their recent clashes.

Matchups
Midfield
- The Swans need to get their midfield matchups right as the Crows have dominated them in this area in recent times. Brett Kirk, who has been in stellar form, will match up against Adelaide's most damaging midfielder Scott Thompson. He performed a sterling job against Chris Judd last week, sacrificing his usual ball gathering numbers to restrict the Carlton skipper to just 14 touches.
- Chris Knights, since returning from injury has been in terrific form, and Luke Ablett will be assigned the onerous task of stopping him.
- Kieren Jack on Tyson Edwards, Kizza plays his best footy in close rather than out wide.
- The fitness of Goodes will determine where he will play in this game. If running through the midfield, I'd expect the Crows number 1 tagger Robert Shirley to follow him. However, if restricted by injury and he's forced to play up in the forward line, veteran Bassett would be his most likely opponent.
- The one area where the Swans should have a distinct advantage is in the ruck, where Darren Jolly has hit top form. Working harder off the ball, and presenting himself as a realistic option both as a linkman and up forward, a big contribution from big Daz will be vital. Coming up against the relatively inexperienced combination of Maric, Moran and Tippett, Jolly should give his midfielders first use of the ball.

Defence
- Marty Mattner, who will be fired up for a big game against his former team, can handle the dangerous Simon Goodwin who has shown an ability to kick goals since being moved forward.
- Teddy Richards to take big Tippett, while a bevy of small forwards/resting midfielders will be handled by the versatile trio of Craig Bolton, Leo Barry and Tadhg Kennelly.
- The much improved Paul Bevan (Hi Inspo!) will follow Andrew McLeod regardless of whether he plays forward or back. Bevan was excellent in a defensive forward role last week, kicking 2 goals but is also very comfortable playing down back and his defensive work will be crucial to curbing the influence of McLeod.

Attack
- Ben Rutten has held sway when he's lined up against Hall, and the Sydney spearhead will be hoping to reverse that trend, especially in the absence of O'Loughlin. Expect Barry to lead up the ground more in an attempt to lure Rutten out of his comfort zone of the defensive 50.
- Nathan Bock, one of the favourites for the AA CHB spot, will lineup on Henry Playfair. Big H will need to be on top of the defensive side of his game as the Crows do set up a lot of their attacks through Bock.
- O'Keefe is always a tough matchup for any coach, because he has terrific contested marking skills as well as possessing a terrific running game. Carlton paid the price last week when his direct opponent Jarrad Waite could not or did not follow O'Keefe's jaunts down the ground where he picked up enough ball (12 Inside 50's) to hurt the Blues. Kris Massie or Brad Symes are the favourites to get the nod from Craig.


Prediction
While the Crows are out of form and lacking confidence, their recent good record against Sydney suggests the Swans are in for another dogfight. With both sides' forward lines missing key goalkickers, I do not expect many goals to be kicked from either side as both defences are well renowned for their miserly work. Cliched as it may be, the side that can win the clearances and dominate the midfield will have the best chance of collecting the 4 points. The Swans cannot afford to start like they did against Carlton, for the Crows are too clinical to let Sydney off the hook as the Blues were by missing easy chances at goal.

Prepare for a close, tight, engrossing and possibly wet contest. Sydney by 8.
 
Wicked read guys

HAHA Loved the "Hi Inspo!" Grimlock :) :p

Im seriously excited about going to this game i have never really paid much attention to the crows vs swans game but knowing you have the wood over us i cant wait to see the battle on the night...also by the looks of rain and cold weather it will make it very very interesting!

So gutted that the bird man wont be playing really really love him he is amazing! But really excited to see your boys (i swear you have the most blondes in the comp)...Richard Douglas and Bernie Vince yes please :)

Best of luck to your team and I know Marty Mattner will enjoy this one

Sydney by two goals
 
Soph, Just checking that you read my articles.

Vader, I did initially think that Doughty would be a good matchup for O'Keefe. However, I then checked his height and he's a good 10cm shorter than ROK. Do you think Doughty could overcome this disadvantage?

Also, on a pedantic note, the game starts at 7.10 EST not 7.40
 

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Adelaide's only loss in that streak was in Neil Craig's 2nd ever game as coach (while he was still technically in caretaker mode). Even in that game, Adelaide won 3 of 4 quarters - though Sydney put enough hurt on the board in the quarter they won to ensure the result went their way.
Was there....worst game of footah , EVER !!!!
FERGUS WATTS almost took the mark of the millenium that night.....only highlight :rolleyes:
 
Was there....worst game of footah , EVER !!!!
FERGUS WATTS almost took the mark of the millenium that night.....only highlight :rolleyes:

Yes, I remember he dropped it during garbage time in the final quarter. Now his AFL career is all over. Would have still been here if he didn't ask to leave.
 
Now his AFL career is all over. Would have still been here if he didn't ask to leave.

I've read this comment a lot about Fergus, and wonder really if the guy isn't happier at home with his mates, than he would be in Adelaide playing AFL?

Maybe the same could be asked about plenty of guys?

Gilligan, Meesen, Nash, Murray, Peel, Koulouriotis, Stevens, Eccles, Finnin, Picioane, etc
 
Also, on a pedantic note, the game starts at 7.10 EST not 7.40

Thanks for that, I checked the Crows website which just said 7:10pm. I assumed that meant 7.10 Adelaide time (which would be 7.40 in Sydney). Fixed now.

Guess I have to make sure I get to the ground half an hour earlier then! Looking forward to it, as it's the only Crows game I will get to all year.
 
Soph, Just checking that you read my articles.

Vader, I did initially think that Doughty would be a good matchup for O'Keefe. However, I then checked his height and he's a good 10cm shorter than ROK. Do you think Doughty could overcome this disadvantage?

Also, on a pedantic note, the game starts at 7.10 EST not 7.40
Maybe he meant 6.40 CST
 
Sensational READ!!! Thanks Vader and Grim!:thumbsu:

On paper Crows are scary! Rutten Bassett Bock McLeod are a Geelong-esque backline versitle and experienced and tall!

Bassett IMO has always been one of the main keys over recent years.

I know nothing about Gill but as an old Rooster fan if he kicked 7 for North this year he must be good!

Just as Mattner will be out to have a big game, but also Stevens always seems to rise to rub Swans nose in it! He can play back or forward and can play deceptively tall! That is where I think Swans are in trouble!

Tippetts Stevens Gill? and possibly Bock forward at times could really expose lack of defensive height!!

Question for Crows fans?
Has Bock been used as a forward at all this year!?

Crows are playing for their season. Swans medico's will be working overtime to feild anywhere near a 90% line up.

Swans have to start breaking out of these rabbit traps!!!...:o:D

Season defining game for both sides! To hard to call result!
 
Question for Crows fans?
Has Bock been used as a forward at all this year!?
He's had the occasional spell up there, more out of desperation than anything, as the Crows try to discover something which vaguely resembles a forward line.

However, he's spent by far the majority of his time in defence.

As a CHF Bock is serviceable. As a CHB he's outstanding.
 
This game is more winnable than the last 3 as Geelong were in red hot form, we played 2 men down vs Collingwood and I had the feeling that Port had been saving themselves for the showdown since about round 12.

We do play well on the smaller grounds such as the SCG and Goodwin and Edwards in particular have good records there. Having said that, our away form this year is nothing short of terrible and our second halves of late have also been pretty ordinary.

I can't see anyone stepping up and booting a bag for us this week and we are going to be very weary after the torrid struggle that was the showdown. Swans by 31 points: Adelaide 5.11 vs Sydney 9.18.
 

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I hope we can push them and play some good footy, Goodwin looked much better last week, so hopefully he can continue and drag us over the line.

Looking forward to watching Marty, he was/still is one of my favourite players! Hope he goes well (not too well).

Swans by 12
 
Great read Grimlock and Vader. Thanks for the Hi Inspo ;]

If we're serious this year, its more the mental upperhand we'll gain if we win having known with Adelaide we cannot be complacent as we have with many other sides this year. The Carlton game was a big kick up the bum. With Bolton, Ablett and O'Keefe running into important form in the back end of the season and a possible Hall and Malceski inclusion & some attacking form on the run, I'd say Swans by 11. This is our year :thumbsu:
 
He's had the occasional spell up there, more out of desperation than anything, as the Crows try to discover something which vaguely resembles a forward line.

However, he's spent by far the majority of his time in defence.

As a CHF Bock is serviceable. As a CHB he's outstanding.

Yeah this leads me to a question. How is it that our players seem to play much better when pushed into the backlines. Is it just that the players we have can't play forward too well or is it a structure thin or even a forward delivery.

NOt many of our guys can play well up forward.
 
I hope we can push them and play some good footy, Goodwin looked much better last week, so hopefully he can continue and drag us over the line.
Yeah, that was probably the most heartening thing to come out of last week's game, good to see he's finally got a bit of confidence and accuracy back in his goalkicking. :thumbsu:
 

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