Coach Fages and the coaching group

[davemc_lions]

Looking forward to hearing the learnings from tonight’s game.

Mulligan

Just like him to actually try something different..The whole back our system and structures that not working is not it
Maybe they will at half time.
I doubt it

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

 

[Tom14]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

I don't quite agree that he's in the top handful of coaches, but I completely agree that this is a list issue more so than a failure to waive a coaching magic wand.

 

[davemc_lions]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

think we have too many stars not enough guys who do a job.

 

[TheZork]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

I can see where you're coming from but I think the players are a reflection of the culture the coach creates. Melbourne run so so hard. We are lazy, and Fagan seemingly pats everyone on the back.

 

[TheZork]

And on it being a list problem yes, but Fagan doesn't help that. Plays the same team over and over.

 

[MacMum]

Its not Fagan just standing around watching instead of getting further involved.......its not Fagan, its the players.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

Who needs to go, then?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Its not Fagan just standing around watching instead of getting further involved.......its not Fagan, its the players.

Whom exactly?

 

[Squizz89]

I definitely think the playing group could be better. But I’ve never rated us as highly as some playing wise. But definitely tactically I think we need better coach in there. Whether that’s as main man or 2IC to fages probably doesn’t really matter.

 

[JasRulz63]

We're going to get a massive leg up by getting the no. 1 pick that conveniently fits into our weakest line. Add in Fletcher as well. I think we'll have a small window where we may be able to re-tool on the run without dropping off too much, if done well.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Who needs to go, then?

Zorko, Lyons, Rich, and Gardiner. I'd move the four of them on at the end of the season. Harsh, but we're as experienced as Melbourne tonight - this is the peak from this particular build (and particularly those players).

I realise he is much-loved, but I don't think Mathieson is a best 22 player going forward either. So there would be at least five changes for round 1 2023. I'd bring in Ashcroft, Ah Chee, Adams, Robertson (if he sticks around) and try to trade somebody else in as well for that group.

Think we'd be younger, faster, and have a new look to us.

 

[lionsrules]

Pay him out for next year and go for someone else. If defence wins premierships then at this rate I’ll even put up with Ross Lyon …. And that’s me swallowing pride here

 

[Tom14]

Zorko, Lyons, Rich, and Gardiner. I'd move the four of them on at the end of the season. Harsh, but we're as experienced as Melbourne tonight - this is the peak from this particular build (and particularly those players).

I realise he is much-loved, but I don't think Mathieson is a best 22 player going forward either. So there would be at least five changes for round 1 2023. I'd bring in Ashcroft, Ah Chee, Adams, Robertson (if he sticks around) and try to trade somebody else in as well for that group.

Think we'd be younger, faster, and have a new look to us.

I think Zorko still has a place for one more year but it can't be as the captain.

 

[lionshine]

Zorko, Lyons, Rich, and Gardiner. I'd move the four of them on at the end of the season. Harsh, but we're as experienced as Melbourne tonight - this is the peak from this particular build (and particularly those players).

I realise he is much-loved, but I don't think Mathieson is a best 22 player going forward either. So there would be at least five changes for round 1 2023. I'd bring in Ashcroft, Ah Chee, Adams, Robertson (if he sticks around) and try to trade somebody else in as well for that group.

Think we'd be younger, faster, and have a new look to us.

Yep, with Lohmann and Wilmot not far behind entering the 22 either.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Pay him out for next year and go for someone else. If defence wins premierships then at this rate I’ll even put up with Ross Lyon …. And that’s me swallowing pride here

I would put significant money on us going backwards with any other coach with this list.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I think Zorko still has a place for one more year but it can't be as the captain.

I thought so too, but tonight has changed my opinion on that. We need something of a reset, and I don't know if he can be a part of that.

 

[briztoon]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

I said this was coming.

Unfortunately, probable long term injuries to Andrews and Gardiner make it harder.

 

[Dizzle]

Zorko, Lyons, Rich, and Gardiner. I'd move the four of them on at the end of the season. Harsh, but we're as experienced as Melbourne tonight - this is the peak from this particular build (and particularly those players).

I realise he is much-loved, but I don't think Mathieson is a best 22 player going forward either. So there would be at least five changes for round 1 2023. I'd bring in Ashcroft, Ah Chee, Adams, Robertson (if he sticks around) and try to trade somebody else in as well for that group.

Think we'd be younger, faster, and have a new look to us.

I agree. But we won't. I bet we go to 2023 with all of them on the list. Including Beast.

But tonight has exposed 5 or 6 who just aren't there when it gets really hot (Joe included).

 

[Squizz89]

I would put significant money on us going backwards with any other coach with this list.

There was one possibly but he was taken off the table today unfortunately.

 

[Tom14]

I said this was coming.

Unfortunately, probable long term injuries to Andrews and Gardiner make it harder.

Hmmm pretty sure I've never heard you say this!

 

[PattyKwasagun]

There was one possibly but he was taken off the table today unfortunately.

Don't think this group would be doing any better under Clarkson.

 

[lionsrules]

I would put significant money on us going backwards with any other coach with this list.

It depends if there was a clean out eg zorko, rich, robbo, Gardiner, and let Mcstay walk then yeah naturally we would go backwards for a little bit

 

[Nathan Barley]

I wish Fages was the problem. That would be such an easier solution. Sadly, I think he’s in the top handful of coaches in the comp. This is a list problem, not a coaching problem, and it has been the whole way through.

Something of a mini-rebuild coming.

A mini rebuild is required but won’t happen

 

[PattyKwasagun]

A mini rebuild is required but won’t happen

Unfortunately I think I agree. But we have proven some degree of ruthlessness in the past - namely in moving Rockliff on in 2018. Hope we have the courage to do the same again.