First round pick for Bock?

[cmndstab]

given rischitelli was awarded his status before he won the B&F - not sure what sort of input they could have put into a formula to come tbe value?

no AA
no B&F
less money....

unless the formula is just cash/age i suspect there is no formula, but rather a gut feel assessment.

According to someone earlier in this thread (or it might have been the thread on the topic on the Main Boards), when the AFL revised their formula they announced that age and cash are the only two variables. They provided a link to justify their claims but I must admit, I didn't read it


Assuming it's true, A) that's a terrible measure of a player's worth, and B) considering the AFL has gone to great pains to keep the formula in-house, announcing it only has two variables is basically giving the formula away as soon as a couple of players sign. Presumably it'll be like all other AFL formulae, there will be a 2D table with "age" on the top and "salary" down the side, and there'll be a cut-off for each one, with the compensation bands running roughly diagonally.

We're going to have a situation where an 18 year old nobody will go to the Gold Coast and his club will get a band 3 pick simply because he's 18, I can just feel it. And when asked to justify it, all we'll get from the AFL is a statement saying they wanted to offer better compensation but couldn't because the salary wasn't high enough.

 

[Crow-mo]

nah its not true, or at least its not publicly true.

the whole point of not disclosing the formula is so clubs can't manipulate the inputs. neither age nor cash are club inputs.

now whilst I don't believe there is a formula, that being the real reason for non-disclosure, I can't see that they would publicly say age & contract are the only 2 variables.

no reason to keep it secret at that rate

 

[Mego Red]

If Bock was seeking a trade to Brisbane you would take Rish as fair compensation.

Good point! Because that's TERRIBLE compensation.

 

[cmndstab]

nah its not true, or at least its not publicly true.

the whole point of not disclosing the formula is so clubs can't manipulate the inputs. neither age nor cash are club inputs.

now whilst I don't believe there is a formula, that being the real reason for non-disclosure, I can't see that they would publicly say age & contract are the only 2 variables.

no reason to keep it secret at that rate

I did a quick Google search and came up with this:

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=96815

The relevant quote:

1. The player’s age and the new contract offer to a player from the expansion club would be the key criteria used to determine the compensation for his original club;

2. Greater compensation for the loss of a ‘top echelon’ player;

3. Establishment of a committee to examine each compensation selection to ensure it did not produce a materially anomalous result.

I don't know if it's changed since then.

So it looks like the age and salary are the primary variables, but not the only ones. Point #2 is just the creation of a band 1 compensation pick that was done in order to appease Geelong's fears of losing Ablett for one draft pick, nothing to do with the formula.

And, a committee to examine each selection? That sounds even more to me like there is no formula at all, just a general set of criteria.

 

[King Elvis]

given rischitelli was awarded his status before he won the B&F - not sure what sort of input they could have put into a formula to come tbe value?

no AA
no B&F
less money....

unless the formula is just cash/age i suspect there is no formula, but rather a gut feel assessment.

Pretty much how it appears.

Bock - $750k
Krak - ~$250k?
Risch - $500k

To get the same compensation for each of them is complete and utter bullshit.

The compensation needs to be based on their value right now; not on what it might be in 5 years.

 

[Mego Red]

nah its not true, or at least its not publicly true.

the whole point of not disclosing the formula is so clubs can't manipulate the inputs. neither age nor cash are club inputs.

now whilst I don't believe there is a formula, that being the real reason for non-disclosure, I can't see that they would publicly say age & contract are the only 2 variables.

no reason to keep it secret at that rate

This is all reason why they should have waited until the end to announce the compensation. I think we'll end up with a REALLY good case for the appeal actually being successful.

As much as I hoped, I never REALLY thought we'd get Gibbs.

 

[Cummon Crows]

We won't go to the greivance tribunal over Bock......

God dammit this clubs peeves me right off.

When will they grow some damm balls.

Do you think Collingwood would get offered pathetic compensation and not fight it all the way? No, they wouldn't.

We get royally screwed on everything and we just sit meekly in the corner and take it.

The father son is a classic case. The father son rule is shockingly biased, and yet do we take it as far as we can, no we don't.

If it was Jeff Kennett of Eddie it would have gone to court for unfair trading conditions or something.

We'll never be a power house club in this competition until we toughen up and fight tooth and nail for an equal opportunity.

 

[KingJames23]

Crows appeal for Bock's compensation is finished.

Bock case closed

ADELAIDE has abandoned its appeal against the AFL's proposed compensation for Gold Coast-bound defender Nathan Bock, but the club denies it has also given up hope of retaining out-of-contract forward Chris Knights.

...

"We wrote a letter to the AFL and they wrote a letter back to us ... we can take it to a grievance tribunal, but we're not prepared to do that," Harper told afl.com.au.

"We've said our piece. We don't think the compensation is fair but we'll play by the umpire's rules and a late first-round draft pick was their decision."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102589/default.aspx

 

[Dandy_GO]

What the **** kind of appeal is that?
I'll bet the AFL will think twice about shafting us next time, lest we send them a letter and decide against further avenues of appeal DUN DUN DUNNNNNN!

 

[Cummon Crows]

Yeah, too true, I'm sure the AFL will double and triple check in future before shafting us again as they wouldn't want to go through such a painful backlash again.

I'm sure the letter saying:

"Dear AFL,

We feel that we should have got a better pick for Nathan Bock, please reconsider."

really made them sit up and think, gee wiz, maybe they are right.

 

[srv23]

Wow. We're not very good at taking a stand are we. Why don't we take it to the grievance tribunal? Worst that can happen is we lose and we're in exactly the same situation that we're in now. You know what they say about nice guys....

 

[KingJames23]

No question that if the crows thought they got screwed (which they did), they should chase it hard. A letter expressing their disagreement will achieve nothing. Dont like how Rendell says "We've said our piece". They just cop it on the chin. A club with a powerful membership base and you would think some clout, but we just roll over and show ourselves as being toothless tigers.

 

[Stephen2]

Carl Spackler - If you're inspired I'd love you to write a thread "Letter to AFL".

 

[KingJames23]

Carl Spackler - If you're inspired I'd love you to write a thread "Letter to AFL".

Oh man that would be great. I dont think dimitri and operations anderson have debuted in Carl's scripts as yet....

 

[King Elvis]

What the hell?

That's pathetic!

"AFL, we think we've been ripped off."

"We don't, but you can take it to the tribunal."

"Nah, as long as you know we're annoyed, that'll do it."

WTF?

 

[KingJames23]

I think the AFL knows we're mad. Im betting the crows signed off on the letter with "Regards" instead of "Kind Regards".

That'll show 'em.

 

[johnnypanther]

sorry Harper - i'm pissed off with the Club - sick of being nice guys and doing the right thing and getting screwed over continually.....

and we play the same way on the field as we do off it

 

[Big Sledge #32]

Let's see what Hawthorn get for Campbell Brown

 

[SydCrow]

if it was Collingwood, they would be in the Federal Court right about now

 

[Vader]

Very, very, very, very disappointing.

When did the AFC Board have surgery, removing their collective spinal columns?

 

[King Elvis]

Adelaide had expected the former best and fairest winner to be judged at worst as a 'band two' player, a classification which would have netted the club a selection immediately following its first pick in any of the next four draft years.

Which is fair enough, so why aren't we pressing the issue?

Jesus, I can't believe we'd roll over so easily on something where the consequences are so significant.

 

[WALL-e]

Not cool.

Probably would have been a pointless excersice in terms of getting what we deserve from the Fuhrer and Himler Anderson, but it's good to exhaust the options some times, evenif it may be pointless.

The reich has protected themselves pretty well regarding their 'formula', but c'mon, have a crack.

 

[cmndstab]

Geez, that's disappointing. Why on earth wouldn't we go to the tribunal over it? What have we got to lose? Unless the AFL is going to stick us with the usual bullshit tribunal laws and threaten us with a band 4 pick instead if we attempt to challenge and fail.


What a weak effort by the AFC, after coming out and trumpeting that they would fight it.

 

[cmndstab]

Not cool.

Probably would have been a pointless excersice in terms of getting what we deserve from the Fuhrer and Himler Anderson, but it's good to exhaust the options some times, evenif it may be pointless.

The reich has protected themselves pretty well regarding their 'formula', but c'mon, have a crack.

This is as much about next time as it is about this time. We have a reputation for just taking what's coming to us. It would be nice to make a stand some time or other. Once you make a stand a few times, even if it gets you nowhere, people realise that you won't just be pushed over without a fight. And in this case I don't see what it could possibly cost us beyond the cost of flying to Melbourne to take part in the tribunal.

 

[WALL-e]

This is as much about next time as it is about this time. We have a reputation for just taking what's coming to us. It would be nice to make a stand some time or other. Once you make a stand a few times, even if it gets you nowhere, people realise that you won't just be pushed over without a fight. And in this case I don't see what it could possibly cost us beyond the cost of flying to Melbourne to take part in the tribunal.

All true.

Unless in the letter Vlad's written "appeal and I'll crush you and your chances of any future FS picks" it's soft.

Would have liked to see us kick the AFL in the balls, even if we do break our foot.