Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Jivlain]

I wonder if any more will pop up in the next day or two

Club statement: Jack Darling

The West Coast Eagles have released the following statement regarding forward Jack Darling

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Yup.

List Update: Cam Ellis-Yolmen Moved To Inactive List

The Brisbane Lions will be placing Cam Ellis-Yolmen on the inactive list

www.lions.com.au

Not a good career move

 

[BangyBangy]

Any update on Levi Casboult

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Levi Casboult

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.4

5star

lol.

 

[briztoon]

Any update on Levi Casboult lol.

Damn, I deleted that photo.

 

[Gadzorks]

I can't see the problem with players being unvaccinated if they choose to be, young fit healthy adults are hardly part of the vulnerable population and if it's only a couple of players in each team what have the vaccinated got to worry about..... they're vaccinated.

I being part of a vulnerable group/s would have no hesitation closely socialising with unvaccinated persons, if they are showing obvious symptoms I would expect them to use common sense and isolate/wear masks like everyone is doing at the moment (including the fully vaccinated).

Vaccination isn't about your personal risk profile. It's about minimising the number of people who carry and transmit, so the at risk people, like babies, have less change of getting it.

its about the community, not the individual.

 

[Gadzorks]

Players have undergone invasive operations to be able to play (they were doing preventative surgery a while back), they come out with totally wrecked bodies, including lifelong arthritis problems and possible head injury dementia problems.

I see the vaccine, which had been delivered to billions of people, as a very minor thing compared to that.

 

[AFLQLD]

Meatloaf has died. I will always treasure that grand final performance - an artist at his absolute peak.

 

[Section 5]

Yup.

List Update: Cam Ellis-Yolmen Moved To Inactive List

The Brisbane Lions will be placing Cam Ellis-Yolmen on the inactive list

www.lions.com.au

Not a good career move

He was doing laps on Monday training so i assumed another minor injury
Now not so sure he had an injury

 

[M Malice]

Vaccination isn't about your personal risk profile. It's about minimising the number of people who carry and transmit, so the at risk people, like babies, have less change of getting it.

its about the community, not the individual.

I just don't think any medical procedure should be forced to carry on a normal life ie. go shopping, play sport, go to restaurants, gyms, cinemas etc. To do certain specific things like visit highly vulnerable people in aged care facilities it's fair enough. I got the Flu vaccine recently for the 1st time in a decade or more to be able to visit my Aunt in Dementia care.

I decided I should get vaccinated, I don't feel I should be able to insist people get vaccinated who don't want to.

As I said earlier if you have symptoms stay home or wear a mask and stay away from vulnerable people, like people should have been doing and a lot did pre Covid when they had Flu/Cold symptoms, I'm not asking everyone I walk past in Coles to show me their vaccine papers.

 

[BangyBangy]

Stuart Dew

Stuart Dew

Age

44

Ht

183cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.8

4star

must be Mark McGowan's biggest fan right now. No guarantee that he doesn't get the arse this year anyway, but if I was a betting man, I'd be putting money on the early season games in Perth being relocated interstate.

West Coast at Domain Stadium in round one is a bit of a tough ask, playing a covid relocated West Coast team anywhere else in the country is much less formidable.

 

[Some_guy]

I just don't think any medical procedure should be forced to carry on a normal life ie. go shopping, play sport, go to restaurants, gyms, cinemas etc. To do certain specific things like visit highly vulnerable people in aged care facilities it's fair enough. I got the Flu vaccine recently for the 1st time in a decade or more to be able to visit my Aunt in Dementia care.

I decided I should get vaccinated, I don't feel I should be able to insist people get vaccinated who don't want to.

As I said earlier if you have symptoms stay home or wear a mask and stay away from vulnerable people, like people should have been doing and a lot did pre Covid when they had Flu/Cold symptoms, I'm not asking everyone I walk past in Coles to show me their vaccine papers.

I disagree. When living in a society there are certain expectations that come along with it. We don't let people people drive drunk because it is detrimental to our society. Its not a big ask for people to take a free and safe vaccine for the benefit of our community.

If people choose not to take the vaccine, then they can live with the minor inconveniences that come with it. I have no sympathy for them

 

[M Malice]

I disagree. When living in a society there are certain expectations that come along with it. We don't let people people drive drunk because it is detrimental to our society. Its not a big ask for people to take a free and safe vaccine for the benefit of our community.

If people choose not to take the vaccine, then they can live with the minor inconveniences that come with it. I have no sympathy for them

I have sympathy for them, if you make it quasi compulsory/highly coerced what happens if a very rare occurrence does happen and they suffer a bad/permanent side affect or even death from a vaccine they didn't want to take? No medication is 100% safe and effective. Are they just collateral damage for the collective good?

 

[dlanod]

I have sympathy for them, if you make it quasi compulsory/highly coerced what happens if a very rare occurrence does happen and they suffer a bad/permanent side affect or even death from a vaccine they didn't want to take? No medication is 100% safe and effective. Are they just collateral damage for the collective good?

Counterpoint is the very obvious "what if the continued and increased spread from the unvaccinated people causes the very well-known bad/permanent/death side effects of COVID to someone that otherwise wouldn't have been exposed?"

That doesn't seem worth considering to many though.

 

[M Malice]

Counterpoint is the very obvious "what if the continued and increased spread from the unvaccinated people causes the very well-known bad/permanent/death side effects of COVID to someone that otherwise wouldn't have been exposed?"

That doesn't seem worth considering to many though.

Yes it works both ways which is why I am not for compulsory medical procedures, as I have said before I have no problem socializing with the unvaccinated, are you asking for proof of vaccination from people who you socialize with?

 

[Some_guy]

I have sympathy for them, if you make it quasi compulsory/highly coerced what happens if a very rare occurrence does happen and they suffer a bad/permanent side affect or even death from a vaccine they didn't want to take? No medication is 100% safe and effective. Are they just collateral damage for the collective good?

I'll rephrase. I have no sympathy for any inconveniences they face while choosing to be unvaccinated. If an extremely rare occurrence happened and they suffered a bad side effect, I would of course have sympathy for them.

Yes, like pretty much anything in the world, medication will never be 100% safe and effective. That doesn't mean its better to be unvaccinated. Especially when you are much more likely to experience side effects from covid itself as opposed to the vaccine

 

[Saucery]

I see even crazier stuff in oncology. People are happy to take chemotherapy or immunotherapy drugs tested on a thousand rats rats, a few dozen terminal palliative patients and maybe a few hundred to a thousand cancer patients. However, a vaccine administered in the billions is rushed and too risky. Craziness.

What drives me nuts about these conspiracy nuffies is all of the cancelled procedures due in part to staff having to look after these selfish drongoes. We should adopt the Singapore model where no jab hospitalisations pay for their treatment, or at least a means tested portion. You have people waiting in pain for treatment while they clog up an overwhelmed system. Whist some of the blame should be levelled at governments who compulsively lie and help create the mistrust they feed off I think the time for pragmatism has arrived.

 

[Viceregal]

What drives me nuts about these conspiracy nuffies is all of the cancelled procedures due in part to staff having to look after these selfish drongoes. We should adopt the Singapore model where no jab hospitalisations pay for their treatment, or at least a means tested portion. You have people waiting in pain for treatment while they clog up an overwhelmed system. Whist some of the blame should be levelled at governments who compulsively lie and help create the mistrust they feed off I think the time for pragmatism has arrived.

Just wondering - are you equally happy to make people who choose to get vaccinated pay for the medical consequences of their choices - would you endorse a sliding scale of payment based on number of co-morbidities - would you consider a sliding scale of payment based on other elements of adherence to government authorised social norms? There are already places where your access to medical treatment (and other things) depends on whether you are in the right political party, believe the right things, who you associate with etc - do you want that to be the way we do things in Australia? If you set up two medical classes are you happy to have the govt refund the medicare funding they already paid for and let them set up an alternate health care infrastructure free of government regulatory interference?

Remember that the same people you perceive as selfish might equally perceive you as authoritarian - are they right about you? ... are you right about them? ... if you cannot articulate someone else's position from their own perspective/using their own language you don't understand them.

"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the safety of others to preserve their own personal freedom."
"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the freedom of others to preserve their own personal safety."

 

[BigCat2]

Without trying to take sides, as much as possible.

As a medical specialist working in hospitals, all I can say is that people are entitled to make their choices, but also need to bear consequences of their actions. There is just a bit too much "I will do what I feel like, and if things head south someone needs to bail me out".

We as human beings are all inherently self centred, but we really do ourselves a favour if we think of the people around us, whether family, friends, colleagues or the community. Sometimes people's choices come down to whether they only thinking of themselves, or thinking of others also.

 

[M Malice]

Just wondering - are you equally happy to make people who choose to get vaccinated pay for the medical consequences of their choices - would you endorse a sliding scale of payment based on number of co-morbidities - would you consider a sliding scale of payment based on other elements of adherence to government authorised social norms? There are already places where your access to medical treatment (and other things) depends on whether you are in the right political party, believe the right things, who you associate with etc - do you want that to be the way we do things in Australia? If you set up two medical classes are you happy to have the govt refund the medicare funding they already paid for and let them set up an alternate health care infrastructure free of government regulatory interference?

Remember that the same people you perceive as selfish might equally perceive you as authoritarian - are they right about you? ... are you right about them? ... if you cannot articulate someone else's position from their own perspective/using their own language you don't understand them.

"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the safety of others to preserve their own personal freedom."
"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the freedom of others to preserve their own personal safety."

One of the biggest issues leading to a range of costly medical issues and is a drain/clogs up the medical system is obesity, maybe there could be a sliding scale of tax for every kilogram you are over the "government approved" weight range and also an excess charged for any surgical costs that are deemed lifestyle related on top of the Medicare levy.

 

[dlanod]

One of the biggest issues leading to a range of costly medical issues and is a drain/clogs up the medical system is obesity, maybe there could be a sliding scale of tax for every kilogram you are over the "government approved" weight range and also an excess charged for any surgical costs that are deemed lifestyle related on top of the Medicare levy.

That sounds pretty close to the usual theory of "COVID only kills sick and fat people" logic anyway.

No free health care for anyone without at least 20 years life expectancy according to actuary tables works pretty well from an economic sense.

 

[BangyBangy]

That sounds pretty close to the usual theory of "COVID only kills sick and fat people" logic anyway.

No free health care for anyone without at least 20 years life expectancy according to actuary tables works pretty well from an economic sense.

Ironically, I'm showing my age with this gif.

 

[Saucery]

Just wondering - are you equally happy to make people who choose to get vaccinated pay for the medical consequences of their choices - would you endorse a sliding scale of payment based on number of co-morbidities - would you consider a sliding scale of payment based on other elements of adherence to government authorised social norms? There are already places where your access to medical treatment (and other things) depends on whether you are in the right political party, believe the right things, who you associate with etc - do you want that to be the way we do things in Australia? If you set up two medical classes are you happy to have the govt refund the medicare funding they already paid for and let them set up an alternate health care infrastructure free of government regulatory interference?

Remember that the same people you perceive as selfish might equally perceive you as authoritarian - are they right about you? ... are you right about them? ... if you cannot articulate someone else's position from their own perspective/using their own language you don't understand them.

"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the safety of others to preserve their own personal freedom."
"There are people who are willing to sacrifice the freedom of others to preserve their own personal safety."

Yes this is what it sounds like when doves cry, meh. The tiny amount of people who find adverse effects to the vaccine are nothing compared to the masses of people, cancer suffers, joint replacements, organ transplants etc, etc etc that have been put on hold; not just here but around the world to cover for non vaxxers being in hospital beds and ICU units.

Fwiw I am on a carers pension but PAY for private health insurance and forgo a lot of personal pleasures so as to NOT be a burden on the health system. You can moralise all you like but I mostly get by on baked beans and the food i grow so I can take care of my Mother with dementia, who is double vaxxed but can't find a home that will take her in because the health system is having to redirect important funding to protect those who don't give a $hit about the rest of us. Make them pay.

 

[M Malice]

That sounds pretty close to the usual theory of "COVID only kills sick and fat people" logic anyway.

No free health care for anyone without at least 20 years life expectancy according to actuary tables works pretty well from an economic sense.

You do realise I was attempting to be ironically facetious, I think rationing and putting monetary penalties on medical care is abhorrent, whether it be for the unvaccinated or the obese or smokers or alcoholics etc.

 

[Viceregal]

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Ironically, I'm showing my age with this gif.

RENEWAL! All the fun of Carousel!

 

[pulpdriver]

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Ironically, I'm showing my age with this gif.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

I just don't think any medical procedure should be forced to carry on a normal life ie. go shopping, play sport, go to restaurants, gyms, cinemas etc. To do certain specific things like visit highly vulnerable people in aged care facilities it's fair enough. I got the Flu vaccine recently for the 1st time in a decade or more to be able to visit my Aunt in Dementia care.

I decided I should get vaccinated, I don't feel I should be able to insist people get vaccinated who don't want to.

As I said earlier if you have symptoms stay home or wear a mask and stay away from vulnerable people, like people should have been doing and a lot did pre Covid when they had Flu/Cold symptoms, I'm not asking everyone I walk past in Coles to show me their vaccine papers.

I look at these decisions in simple terms.
I ask myself what would happen if everyone chose not to take the vaccine , and there is your answer .
I think it is wrong ,to not tow the line, in anything in life.
Now on the other hand if I had an underlying health problem then that would be a major part of my decision and totally respect that.
For those who are healthy and able to take the vacc , and don't and then say 'well the majority has been vaccinated , I don't need to ,the public health system will cope" , that doesn't sit well at all imo.
On another note, you spoke about your aunty, my uncle is also in a dementia ward.
Really sad when you see him trying to place where you fit in, old friend or family ?