Roast Geelong can't develop young players

[My Tilly]

O'Connell, Holmes and De Koning as the only 3 that I would say have AA squad calibre potential.

You don't even the know the last name of some of our players.

And O'Sullivan has showed absolutely nothing because he's only just played a single VFL match for the club so how would you know he has All Australian potential?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Wow. Good re-read.
Partridge had a mare. Not surprising.

Blicavs added a All Australian since this started. Epic fail.

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

 

[STPer18]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

29 years and counting of young players being drafted and retiring in disappointment at the good old navy Blues. If you think about it it's kind of unfair that these guys who were elite juniors fizzle out having never lived up to their potential all while steeplechasers and high jumpers and GFL rejects turn into elite, All-Australian calibre footballers and become premiership heroes at the Geelong retirement village.

Just imagine you grow up being the best in your field, but because you get sorted into an environment of failure (Carlolton) you have no say but to see these random assortment of blokes who've rarely touched or been serious at football walk into the Hallowed Halls (Geelong) and outperform you by every metric. You'd be absolutely filthy. I would be anyway.

 

[PhatBoy]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

Well no, even if it is a weird bump, Holmes was a big part of our run to the flag even though he missed the grand final. His contribution on the wing was outstanding over the second half of the season. That’s a seriously absurd comment. He was outstanding in the back half of 2022.

How is any player in their third game inching anywhere, let alone towards ‘bust’ territory?

This post is no less weird than the bump it’s in response to.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

Holmes was good in 2022. Only missed the GF due to injury.

Clark has played 3 games mate….. bust after 3 games??

Flaw at developing players? We have literally missed finals twice in 16 years.
Surely that says otherwise.

An utterly bizarre attack.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

Poor post. Missing the point ENTIRELY.

I was calling out a poster who will die on the hill that Blicavs is a s**t footballer. 2 BnF's, 1 AA, 1 premiership.

P.S. He's a Cat B rookie we'll have developed into a 300 gamer. Not bad for a club with development flaws

P.P.S. LOL at proclaiming a 3rd gamer is getting closer to a bust. Maybe next time stay in your lane and butt out of conversations you weren't in.

 

[Taper]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

Are you referring to Jordan Clark?
I can understand why you would think he's a bust.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I put my hand up and gladly admit I doubted Scott and our team for a very long time. 2022 proved many wrong.
Incredibly lucky fan base I think we are.

To once more be a decent chance for finals in 2024 with Selwood & Smith retired, no longer require Duncan, Rohan or Bews . . . . it's any wonder some neutrals despise us.

2022 washed away so much angst.

Horse wins Sydney that flag and the decision to poach Buddy from under GWS nose was vindicated, he's lauded as a great coach with two flags in two eras (sound familiar) and their fans are contented.

Meanwhile we're likely all still bickering, and our blip in 2023 is heavily critiqued as a lack of high draft picks is self inflicted.
The more time goes on, the more it becomes evident that Scott is a very good coach that we're lucky to have.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You don't even the know the last name of some of our players.

And O'Sullivan has showed absolutely nothing because he's only just played a single VFL match for the club so how would you know he has All Australian potential?

Dan logic.

Untried players from high draft picks are in the potential AA calibre youth category.
Untried players from later rounds is evidence of our inability to draft talent, and thus this thread has a purpose.

Just ignore the development of Cat B rookie Blicavs, or rookies Close, Z.Guthrie, Dempsey or Jack Henry. Late draft pick Miers. All bar 1 are premiership players. Kolodjashnij was past pick 40 from memory and Bews was a late pick, both have had good careers.
That's just from players we have now. Past players would add so many more.

 

[eclipse]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

Not sure what to make of your post. Clarke is a fine does so many team things. Geelongs Dekoning miles in front of Carlton’s.

 

[The Casey Cat]

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

And where is evidence of this exactly? Being a top 6 team H&A all but 4 years out of the last 20 would indicate otherwise.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Who cares, just we just buy em

 

[Strange Cat]

Weird bump.

This is the week after your only promising young midfielder (J. Clarke) has had another s**t game and inching closer to bust territory.

Holmes was drafted almost 4 years ago and is only now starting to contribute.

You have a serious flaw in developing players.

3 games and is a bust? And were you asleep in 2022 when Holmes had a fantastic season the wing and missed out on a GF due to injury?

Bizzare post

 

[Freomaniac]

Who cares what players Geelong can or can’t develop? Last years, premiership team was a team which had turned over an entire list, minus 2 players from 2007. Who cares whether we develop players, I’ll bring them in. Do you get extra points f or either?

And, I find it hard to believe that we haven’t developed a single young player in that entire list turnover. The collective IQ of some people in here must be about 10.

good point(s)

 

[FlowersByIrene]

29 years and counting of young players being drafted and retiring in disappointment at the good old navy Blues. If you think about it it's kind of unfair that these guys who were elite juniors fizzle out having never lived up to their potential all while steeplechasers and high jumpers and GFL rejects turn into elite, All-Australian calibre footballers and become premiership heroes at the Geelong retirement village.

Just imagine you grow up being the best in your field, but because you get sorted into an environment of failure (Carlolton) you have no say but to see these random assortment of blokes who've rarely touched or been serious at football walk into the Hallowed Halls (Geelong) and outperform you by every metric. You'd be absolutely filthy. I would be anyway.

Name the last player drafted as an 18 year old to Geelong that won a brownlow, won a coleman won a rising star or has made All Australian.

There are numerous at Carlton.

Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering etc etc.

Laughable post.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Are you referring to Jordan Clark?
I can understand why you would think he's a bust.

Jhye mate.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Holmes was good in 2022. Only missed the GF due to injury.

Clark has played 3 games mate….. bust after 3 games??

Flaw at developing players? We have literally missed finals twice in 16 years.
Surely that says otherwise.

An utterly bizarre attack.

You've had sustained success because of mature age players and trades from other clubs.

You can be successful while also failing to develop players, which is clearly the case.

The issue is your years of kicking the can down the road have now come to bite you.

There are no prospects on the horizon.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He's doubling down lol.
Like a problem gambler chasing losses at the blackjack table.

 

[PhatBoy]

Name the last player drafted as an 18 year old to Geelong that won a brownlow, won a coleman won a rising star or has made All Australian.

There are numerous at Carlton.

Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering etc etc.

Laughable post.

Coleman - our current full forward
Brownlow - Gary Ablett or Jimmy Bartel
All Australian - Cameron Guthrie
Rising Star winner - Joel Selwood
Rising Star runner-up - Sam de Koning from 2 years ago.

3 of these awards can only be won by a single player per year barring a tie. In theory they should as an average be won once every 18 years, and if you are rarely if ever given access to the very top end of the draft, you should rarely if ever have access to those that win those sorts of awards. Carlton have had a decade and a half of access to the top end of the draft. Wow, well done

We have a rising star nominee from two rounds ago, and the runner up in the

Not sure what the 18 year old thing really has to do with anything. How is developing an 18 year old superstar with a top 5 pick any more meritorious than turning a rookie pick of a 20 year old track athlete into an All Australian who can play any position on the field?
Wow, well done.
Not really sure what your point is.

 

[STPer18]

Name the last player drafted as an 18 year old to Geelong that won a brownlow, won a coleman won a rising star or has made All Australian.

There are numerous at Carlton.

Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering etc etc.

Laughable post.

What's laughable is trying to spruik Carlolton's reward for continual failure as examples of excellent development. Sam Walsh walks out of the Geelong Falcons as the consensus #1 player of draftable age in the country, Carlolton, courtesy of being extremely shite mind you, get first dibs at him and this is supposed to showcase how incredible their development is? Weitering another pick 1. I guess it's progress of sorts after the trifecta of previous #1's in Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer flopped under Carlolton's tutelage.

Now there's 29 years and counting of failure at developing a premiership calibre side, meanwhile Geelong - who apparently struggle to develop players, turns an aspiring Olympian middle-distance runner and steeplechaser into an All-Australian + Premiership player and one of the most integral to the side's success.

Next we'll be hearing how Harley Reid and Matt Rowell and Horne-Francis's teams are exceptional developers of young talent because these absolute cream of the crop juniors turned into acceptable AFL level footballers.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Name the last player drafted as an 18 year old to Geelong that won a brownlow, won a coleman won a rising star or has made All Australian.

There are numerous at Carlton.

Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Weitering etc etc.

Laughable post.

Happy to let the Carlton fans celebrate the Coleman's, rising stars, etc.

Name the last player drafted to Carlton that won a premiership.

I'll give you a hint.

 

[PhatBoy]

I had to actually look at this to see what the big wank was because it’s just literally how little attention I pay to the draft and who goes at what selection.

You are literally bragging about players drafted at
1, 1, 10, 12 and 13 doing well. And not even that well. Weitering is a number 1 pick who hasn’t even BEEN an All Australian yet. He’s been in the squad without actually making the side.
Only one of them was a rising star winner: so we’ve had a runner up in the rising star two seasons ago, Carlton had a winner 6 seasons ago. Oooh blimey, what a brag that is. And our runner up was behind perhaps the most convincing winner in the history of the award!!

What’s the f**king achievement in developing players consistently drafted in the top dozen or so? How is that better than getting a guy from the local Geelong league into the AA team five times in his first 150 games?

 

[Footy Smarts]

I had to actually look at this to see what the big wank was because it’s just literally how little attention I pay to the draft and who goes at what selection.

You are literally bragging about players drafted at
1, 1, 10, 12 and 13 doing well. And not even that well. Weitering is a number 1 pick who hasn’t even BEEN an All Australian yet. He’s been in the squad without actually making the side.
Only one of them was a rising star winner: so we’ve had a runner up in the rising star two seasons ago, Carlton had a winner 6 seasons ago. Oooh blimey, what a brag that is. And our runner up was behind perhaps the most convincing winner in the history of the award!!

What’s the f**king achievement in developing players consistently drafted in the top dozen or so? How is that better than getting a guy from the local Geelong league into the AA team five times in his first 150 games?

Come on now. Just because we couldn't have got Walsh, Weitering, Cripps or McKay makes no difference. Carlton's recruiting has been brilliant!

And we could've got Charlie Curnow. We had the pick before he went in the draft! What did we do with it? Brought in some spud named Patrick Dangerfield. What were we thinking?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Bigfooty... Where it's better to be young, have high drafts picks and on weekends play s**t football

 

[Footy Smarts]

Let's do a simple comparison and list the players at Geelong and Carlton who have played 40+ games but who didn't come from other clubs and weren't top 15 picks.

Carlton - Silvagni, Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

24

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

, Cottrell, Cunningham, Owies

Geelong - Hawkins, Duncan, Blicavs, C Guthrie, Kolodjashnij, Bews, Stewart, Parfitt, J Henry, O'Connor, Miers, Atkins, Z Guthrie, Close, Holmes, Sam De Koning

Yeah Geelong can't develop players