Geelong full-back the best ever

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Geelong full-back the best ever

Glenn Archer | May 15, 2008 12:00am


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North Melbourne great rates Geelong full-back Matthew Scarlett the best of all time, ahead of Carlton legend Steven Silvagni. Picture: Michael Dodge


  • IS MATTHEW Scarlett the best full-back of the last 20 years, if not ever?
What a question and virtually impossible to answer.
It's difficult to take players of different eras, say South Melbourne's Fred Goldsmith with the prince of full-backs Jack Regan, and compare their worth to Carlton's Stephen Silvagni and even St Kilda's pillar Max Hudghton, because the game evolves so quickly.
Indeed, it's ridiculous.
If you were to pluck Scarlett from today and transport him back to 1955, when Freddy Goldsmith won the Brownlow Medal - the only one ever by a full-back - I'm tipping Scarlett would've got 22 three votes.
And if we can continue the ridiculousness, Scarlett would not have been playing full-back, anyway.
He would have been a dominating midfielder or running centre half-forward, and pity the poor bugger trying to keep up with him.
So cross-generation is not my go.
In my opinion, Scarlett is the most complete full-back I have seen and played against.
His attributes make him the standout; he beats his man in the air, he marks one-on-one, he's sensational on the deck, has clean hands when he gathers the ball and runs it out of defence.
Scarlett has been able to develop a peerless one-two combination coming out of defence.
That means he runs with the ball, handballs to a stationary teammate (which was once a big no-no in footy) and then receives it back, runs through centre half-back and then pinpoints a pass to a midfield teammate.
If I was coaching against Geelong, one of my first instructions to my players would be to hit Scarlett, take him out of the contest, so he does not get the return handball.
Still, no one has been able to do it. Scarlett is so nimble on his feet, not many forwards can keep up with him on the rebound.
What makes him the best is he plays in a pro-active mode. It's like he's the full-forward. Have you noticed how many times he marks in front of his opponent?
He reacts so quickly to the bloke who has the footy, his reading of the play is second to none as a defender.
Geelong coach Mark Thompson is blessed. Every week, with an empty magnet board in front of him, Bomber simply has to throw Scarlett's name at full-back and be confident Scarlett will win his position 95 per cent of the time.
What a luxury. And, meanwhile, the other coaches in the league are spending their days trying to work out who and how many players are going to play on Buddy Franklin.
Like everyone else, I can't wait for the Round 17 clash between the Cats and Hawks.

Already, it brings back memories of the Wayne Carey-Glen Jakovich days.
This, of course, is not about denigrating the great Stephen Silvagni, who was named full-back of the century ahead of blokes like David Dench, Goldsmith, Chris Langford and Kelvin Moore.
SOS was a star, an amazing player. I love him. And he played in an era when the full-forwards had one thing in common: brilliance.
They came in all shapes and sizes too: Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall, Gary Ablett, Carey, Tony Modra, John Longmire, Matthew Lloyd, Matthew Richardson and Rocca S.
Indeed, he played on nine of the top 25 goalkickers of all time.
He was a champ, no doubt. He could spoil like no other, mark, use his body and hands and had superb footy nous and timing.

And when the Blues needed a lift, they would send him forward to kick goals.
Speaking of hands, what makes defending so different these days to the past, is that you can't use them.
SOS was the master at scragging, pushing his opponent under the ball, hitting his opponent's arms and using his hands on his opponent's back to hold his position.
And because the game was more physical during the late '80s and early to mid-'90s, it allowed SOS to crash into opponents, which today would be deemed a free kick.
Had you taken these weapons out of his armoury could he have adjusted like Scarlett has?
We will never know, but one thing is for sure, in 2020 we will be comparing Scarlett to the next gun full-back and debating whether he could have adjusted to the 2020 game.
Scarlett in 2008 vs SOS, to me, equals Scarlett by a nose.


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Wait for the Dawks supporters to hit this one! He is a gem, the drive he creates from the backline is awesome. Look at last Saturdays game and how he kept setting up play.
It's impossible to compare generations. But surely in AA form again this year.
 
you guys had a better fullback then scarlett and silvani put together. back in the late 70`s early 80`s there was a fullback at geelong that came from east perth here in the west going by the name of gary malarkey. he was a all australian. a true champion of the game and a specialist fullback. he should have been named fullback of the century. my father talks of malarkey and how nothing got past him. he comes from a era with great goal kicking full fowards and he rarely got a bag of goals kicked on him. look up your archives geelong supporters for the name gary malarkey a true great of the vfl.
 
scarlo is an absolute gun and the best fullback in the game today. Is he better than SOS? Tough call, but he is certainly an equal to the calibre of all the great fullbacks in AFL history
 
SOS was awesome as was Langford and M Martyn and plenty of others before.Would those players not be giving away truckloads of frees in todays games? It is way harder for defenders in this era. That is why....SCARLO!
 
Hard one, ain't it?

Who's to say that Scarlett wouldn't have adapted and excelled more than SOS under the rules in SOS's era, and who's to say that SOS wouldn't have adapted and excelled more than Scarlett in Scarlett's era?

Also, who's to say that Scarlett's wouldn't have made it as a pinch-hitting forward like SOS. Must admit haven't seen Scarlett tried up forward, probably showing the strength of the Cat team.

SOS certainly had more legends to contend one (saw a lot of SOS and he only ever got beaten by Lockett and a young Matty Lloyd), and have seen him thrash Carey and Dunstall. However SOS had a few awesome players round him, such as Dean, Sexton, and Mackay, which must've helped. Don't think Scarlett ever had such support around him (not belittling the Cats backline in any way, just that during one era the Blues backline was pretty amazing).

From what I've seen Scarlett is a better runner and has better disposal than SOS, however SOS is the most desperate football player I've ever seen and could plug up holes the size of craters.

At the end of the day it's almost too hard to compare. Get's back to that thing of players coming from different era's

Probably better to ask the question in 20 years time
 
you guys had a better fullback then scarlett and silvani put together. back in the late 70`s early 80`s there was a fullback at geelong that came from east perth here in the west going by the name of gary malarkey. he was a all australian. a true champion of the game and a specialist fullback. he should have been named fullback of the century. my father talks of malarkey and how nothing got past him. he comes from a era with great goal kicking full fowards and he rarely got a bag of goals kicked on him. look up your archives geelong supporters for the name gary malarkey a true great of the vfl.

I saw his career, and he was great. From memory no.30 as well? The amazing thing was that he was pretty short but in those days of man on man was brilliant. :thumbsu: And Scarlo's old man wasn't too shabby either!!
 

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Geelong full-back the best ever

Glenn Archer | May 15, 2008 12:00am


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North Melbourne great rates Geelong full-back Matthew Scarlett the best of all time, ahead of Carlton legend Steven Silvagni. Picture: Michael Dodge


  • IS MATTHEW Scarlett the best full-back of the last 20 years, if not ever?
What a question and virtually impossible to answer.
It's difficult to take players of different eras, say South Melbourne's Fred Goldsmith with the prince of full-backs Jack Regan, and compare their worth to Carlton's Stephen Silvagni and even St Kilda's pillar Max Hudghton, because the game evolves so quickly.
Indeed, it's ridiculous.
If you were to pluck Scarlett from today and transport him back to 1955, when Freddy Goldsmith won the Brownlow Medal - the only one ever by a full-back - I'm tipping Scarlett would've got 22 three votes.
And if we can continue the ridiculousness, Scarlett would not have been playing full-back, anyway.
He would have been a dominating midfielder or running centre half-forward, and pity the poor bugger trying to keep up with him.
So cross-generation is not my go.
In my opinion, Scarlett is the most complete full-back I have seen and played against.
His attributes make him the standout; he beats his man in the air, he marks one-on-one, he's sensational on the deck, has clean hands when he gathers the ball and runs it out of defence.
Scarlett has been able to develop a peerless one-two combination coming out of defence.
That means he runs with the ball, handballs to a stationary teammate (which was once a big no-no in footy) and then receives it back, runs through centre half-back and then pinpoints a pass to a midfield teammate.
If I was coaching against Geelong, one of my first instructions to my players would be to hit Scarlett, take him out of the contest, so he does not get the return handball.
Still, no one has been able to do it. Scarlett is so nimble on his feet, not many forwards can keep up with him on the rebound.
What makes him the best is he plays in a pro-active mode. It's like he's the full-forward. Have you noticed how many times he marks in front of his opponent?
He reacts so quickly to the bloke who has the footy, his reading of the play is second to none as a defender.
Geelong coach Mark Thompson is blessed. Every week, with an empty magnet board in front of him, Bomber simply has to throw Scarlett's name at full-back and be confident Scarlett will win his position 95 per cent of the time.
What a luxury. And, meanwhile, the other coaches in the league are spending their days trying to work out who and how many players are going to play on Buddy Franklin.
Like everyone else, I can't wait for the Round 17 clash between the Cats and Hawks.

Already, it brings back memories of the Wayne Carey-Glen Jakovich days.
This, of course, is not about denigrating the great Stephen Silvagni, who was named full-back of the century ahead of blokes like David Dench, Goldsmith, Chris Langford and Kelvin Moore.
SOS was a star, an amazing player. I love him. And he played in an era when the full-forwards had one thing in common: brilliance.
They came in all shapes and sizes too: Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall, Gary Ablett, Carey, Tony Modra, John Longmire, Matthew Lloyd, Matthew Richardson and Rocca S.
Indeed, he played on nine of the top 25 goalkickers of all time.
He was a champ, no doubt. He could spoil like no other, mark, use his body and hands and had superb footy nous and timing.

And when the Blues needed a lift, they would send him forward to kick goals.
Speaking of hands, what makes defending so different these days to the past, is that you can't use them.
SOS was the master at scragging, pushing his opponent under the ball, hitting his opponent's arms and using his hands on his opponent's back to hold his position.
And because the game was more physical during the late '80s and early to mid-'90s, it allowed SOS to crash into opponents, which today would be deemed a free kick.
Had you taken these weapons out of his armoury could he have adjusted like Scarlett has?
We will never know, but one thing is for sure, in 2020 we will be comparing Scarlett to the next gun full-back and debating whether he could have adjusted to the 2020 game.
Scarlett in 2008 vs SOS, to me, equals Scarlett by a nose.


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enjoy the read.
Let me start by saying I have the ultimate respect for Matty Scarlett but SOS thrashed the best, Carey, Ablett, Plugger Dunstall etc... Scarlett doesn't always take the best forward in an era where the gun forwards aren't close to the same standard when considered overall ( a couple of exceptions maybe). SOS took then 1-on1, Scarlett gets help with many behind the ball. Plugger had 2 good days on SOS in 10 years. He thrashed Carey and Ablett constantly. In 1995 finals series he played on Darryl White, Carey and Ablett for a combined total of conceding one scrubby goal to Carey. Ablett was goalless in the 95 GF. As good as he is Scarlett couldn't be as good as SOS in his dreams. Arch is writing complete and utter rubbish.
 
Let me start by saying I have the ultimate respect for Matty Scarlett but SOS thrashed the best, Carey, Ablett, Plugger Dunstall etc... Scarlett doesn't always take the best forward in an era where the gun forwards aren't close to the same standard when considered overall ( a couple of exceptions maybe). SOS took then 1-on1, Scarlett gets help with many behind the ball. Plugger had 2 good days on SOS in 10 years. He thrashed Carey and Ablett constantly. In 1995 finals series he played on Darryl White, Carey and Ablett for a combined total of conceding one scrubby goal to Carey. Ablett was goalless in the 95 GF. As good as he is Scarlett couldn't be as good as SOS in his dreams. Arch is writing complete and utter rubbish.
If Silvagni was restricted to the limited rules that Scarlo has to contend with today. Then Ablett, Lockett, Dunstall etc. would have never been beaten by Silvagni.
 
If Silvagni was restricted to the limited rules that Scarlo has to contend with today. Then Ablett, Lockett, Dunstall etc. would have never been beaten by Silvagni.

Yep, good ol' Jimthegreat read the headline but not the article. Scarlett is quite strong in one on one marking contents. Imagine how good he would be if he could chop arms, cannon into players, and scrag like SOS was able to do.
 
I was reading through Archer's comments during his live chat on the Herald Sun site today regarding the article.

He said a Carlton fan threw an apple at him on Collins Street for having the opinion he did.

Disgraceful.

Thrawn? :rolleyes:
 
Not sure if he is the best ever, but Scarlett would definetly be in the top 5. As Archer pointed out, he has everything. He is the complete package rolled up into one player. its always hard to look at cross generation comparisons as others have said, rules and the tempo of the game has changed, but I like to think if Scarlett was playing in the 90's he would have done just as good a job as Silvani.
 
I saw his career, and he was great. From memory no.30 as well? The amazing thing was that he was pretty short but in those days of man on man was brilliant. :thumbsu: And Scarlo's old man wasn't too shabby either!!
you obviously never saw much of the back of him though.....wore number 5 for his first seven years and number six in his last three.

Played 172 games @ 185cms & 89kgs
 
you obviously never saw much of the back of him though.....wore number 5 for his first seven years and number six in his last three.

Played 172 games @ 185cms & 89kgs

stand corrected!
 

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