Autopsy Geelong lose to WC by 9 points at Optus

[geelong_crazy26]

Being in front and controlling 80% of the game then to lose in the last few minutes is the absolute definition of “shitting the bed”....

And west coast having state of the art facilities to properly recover over the four day break compared to us using a local hotel gym facility didnt have anything to do with the second half fadeout??

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think it's closer to the definition of running out of gas.

I will keep saying it as its a huge huge advantage especially with a short break, using a local resort gym facility compared to a fully operational multi million dollar football complex that has entire areas and technology in place for recoveries such as the ice baths and quite a few other amenities installed, where as a hotel gyn has quite bugger all And is not designed for optimal football training or recovery

 

[Ricketz]

Actually thought he should of been brought back behind the mark. Poor umpiring in my book. Agreed that it was a huge turning point.

The bigger mistake is that the ump clearly calls play on after Duggan breaks the mark and tackles Guthrie.

Correct call was a fifty to Guthrie, which surely cost a goal.

Please note, I don't think that cost us the game. I think our fatigue and elementary turnovers when we were in attacking positions cost us the game.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s either played this way or there is no footy.

Why play in states with such unbelievable advantages for a handful of sides?? For a league so obsessed ovee equality over the years this takes the cake as the biggest of all.

There is also the option of moving it all to canberra and NT who are far less hotspots for covid and much safer. Use the ovals and facilitiee available there.

 

[Chinacats]

And west coast having state of the art facilities to properly recover over the four day break compared to use using a local hotel gym facility didnt have anything to do with the second half fadeout??

Scott previously said they want for nothing in terms of their accommodation and facilities.

 

[feelinfeline]

I thought they both ran into each other. Constable was going for the ball, Duggan ended up well past the ball.

Young Geelong midfielder in strife after huge hit

Cats onballer Charlie Constable somehow manages to run off the field after this collision with Liam Duggan

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They were both going for the ball and had their eyes on the ball. Duggan had just fumbled it when he ran into Constable. It's not as if he could stop himself at that pace, even if he'd seen Constable in that split second.

No free kick for mine. It's a contact sport, and at times it's brutal.

If we start umpiring incidental contact out of our game, we'll end up with something approaching basketball.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Scott previously said they want for nothing in terms of their accommodation and facilities.

Chris scott doesnt get a say on it and is probably just being straight batted for the public. Of cause geelong would prefer real AFL facilities.

 

[51niwstac]

Good to see the Umpires have totally honed their Ball-Up skills to a fine art. Why have the AFL just never renamed it to the much more definitive, Balls-Up?

 

[Obeanie1]

Why was there no free to Constable when he got a shoulder to the face in front of goal late?

Because there was no shoulder to the face.

It was a fair contest two players running at a loose ball. Impact was side on and Duggan had two hands on the ball.

Initial contact was well below the shoulders but Constable's momentum ended with his face whip lashing forward into Duggans back / ribs.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I will keep saying it as its a huge huge advantage especially with a short break, using a local resort gym facility compared to a fully operational multi million dollar football complex that has entire areas and technology in place for recoveries such as the ice baths and quite a few other amenities installed, where as a hotel gyn has quite bugger all And is not designed for optimal football training or recovery

It is a huge advantage for them yes but what alternatives are there? No sense hand wringing about it

 

[Partridge]

Spazz please help fill this thread with some rational balanced optimism. We played well given all cirumstances.

These threads can get a bit rediculous with the narrative at times

For a half they absolutely did. The probem is it was too much an echo of the Prelim. When the pressure went up, we couldn't handle it.

Until that part improves nothing will change.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Spazz please help fill this thread with some rational balanced optimism. We played well given all cirumstances.

These threads can get a bit rediculous with the narrative at times

It was overall a positive IMO. And I never was bored watching it. Which was great. thought we'd get flogged tbh.
Some repeated negatives that we've seen many times before in pressure games which sucked.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Why play in states with such unbelievable advantages for a handful of sides?? For a league so obsessed ovee equality over the years this takes the cake as the biggest of all.

There is also the option of moving it all to canberra and NT who are far less hotspots for covid and much safer. Use the ovals and facilitiee available there.

Think there is problems with that. I would love to see it in the NT by the way.
But It would cost an absolute fortune.
The players would be dead set against it.
Don't know if they'd let the AFL in. Think they're playing it preety safe.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

For a half they absolutely did. The probem is it was too much an echo of the Prelim. When the pressure went up, we couldn't handle it.

Until that part improves nothing will change.

Lets not forget this was a team we smashed in an elimination final last year when the ”finals heat” was on so i dont buy that vein assessment.

Our pressure was great first half and denied them their preffered game. It was a second half fadeout due to probably a combination of local football league standard facilities compared to AFL facilities and especially on a short recovery. Alot of key players missing and then the home ground advantage.

All and all we did well. Will back us to beat them if we meet again on neutral grounding.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It is a huge advantage for them yes but what alternatives are there? No sense hand wringing about it

Well why bash our team and players when the reality is just this?? May as well be honest

 

[Goggin Our Best]

why does NN only ever play like that against geelong?

What about the week before against Grundy !!!!!

It was like Mike Tyson in his heyday against some 4th rate bumm

 

[Partridge]

Lets not forget this was a team we smashed in an elimination final last year when the ”finals heat” was on so i dont buy that vein assessment.

Our pressure was great first half and denied them their preffered game. It was a second half fadeout due to probably a combination of local football league standard facilities compared to AFL facilities and especially on a short recovery. Alot of key players missing and then the home ground advantage.

All and all we did well. Will back us to beat them if we meet again on neutral grounding.

Except that every year is different. Just because we were better than them last year (and we were) doesn't mean it is true this year. They were clearly better in 2018, but it didn't help them twice against us last season.

When it really got hot last night one side was looking jittery and fumbly and making mistakes, and it wasn't them.

 

[MacStradbroke]

why does NN only ever play like that against geelong?

Clearly don’t watch a lot of football other than geelong games. Ripped Grundy a part a week ago.

 

[volcboy]

I was surprised to come in and read all the hate for SavRat and Blitz. I thought they battled as hard as they could against the most talented big man in the competition in terms of clearances and tap work. I was more disappointed with some of the midfielders' defensive setups that allowed clean takeaways from the center; Danger was a culprit on more than one occasion, caught tailing his man to the ball.

If you had said prior to the game that we would be in with a shot of winning until the last minute with no real midfield impact from Danger, would you have believed it? I was pleased that it was a complete team effort, with only Rohan and Fogarty having subpar outings IMHO. Constable was good in close all night until injured, Guthrie has stepped up this year (I have never been a huge fan of his, either), and our dare to take the ball quickly on occasion and get out the back was impressive. Disappointed with some of the errors in the last quarter, and the brain fade that let Kennedy run and jump at a ball that was always going to the top of the square with 1.30 remaining, but you can't win them all.

For Wednesday, I'd have Rohan out for Kreuger/Cockatoo (who can both play a similar role), Fogarty out for Selwood (unless Constable can't come up after concussion). We win against NM and we're still in the mix.

Persist with SavRat in the ruck - he jumps, he competes, he pressures. Sure, he makes mistakes and isn't clunking all his marks, but he's only young, and you know what you're going to get (unlike Stanley, who is either a million dollars or rubbish, rarely in between). I don't get why people on here don't give younger players the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Obeanie1]

Why play in states with such unbelievable advantages for a handful of sides?? For a league so obsessed ovee equality over the years this takes the cake as the biggest of all.

There is also the option of moving it all to canberra and NT who are far less hotspots for covid and much safer. Use the ovals and facilitiee available there.

The WA sides already spent six weeks in a hub and the SA club's four weeks.

How would it be fair if those teams didn't get some games at home?

Brisbane should win this year with their lack of travel. And the AFL looking at a GABBA GF.

 

[Skeppersap]

Yeah he definitely should have been called back

I question whether the umpire called play on.... of not, isn't it 50m penalty??

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Except that every year is different.

Precisely, so why bring up the 2019 prelim then to make a point but try and claim the elimination final is irrelevant?? When the team we played last night was the side we beat last year in a final yet you think the ”finals” heat from them was too much last night. Yes they may have improved slightly or even droppd slightly we will know more once they leave the perth hub, but it is a far more relevant indicator than the prelim since its the same players essentially from last night.

Like i said other factors are probably far more relevant than the narrative of a final from last year.

 

[Tony Barber]

For a half they absolutely did. The probem is it was too much an echo of the Prelim. When the pressure went up, we couldn't handle it.

Until that part improves nothing will change.

It was interesting hearing Simpson earlier today.
They had spent the whole week planning to stop Geelong playing keepings off.

And it was obvious during the second quarter that the plan was failing.

He reckons he said one thing at half time "find a man".

Apparently he thought they were just guarding grass and it was giving Geelong too much space to execute the game plan.
It's actually what we do with Richmond.

And I find myself saying through gritted teeth 'is there any chance we can stop zone defence and actually shut down options?'

Good to see that a coach ditched his original plan and went old school mid game.
Shows to me that Simpson doesn't panic under duress and has the ability to drop the ego, think it through, and change a plan he devised that didn't work.

Hats off.
We still should have won though.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The WA sides already spent six weeks in a hub and the SA club's four weeks.

How would it be fair if those teams didn't get some games at home?

Brisbane should win this year with their lack of travel. And the AFL looking at a GABBA GF.

Simple just play it all on neutral territory. I know there would be logistical and financial things to work through but its the only way to have any remote fairness.

Especially with a condensed 4 day turnaround the advantage west coast would have had with their facilities to recover compared to geelong at a hotel gym facility is longer than the flemington straight. It showed with the way we faded out in the second half too Which would be alot to do with conditioning

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The WA sides already spent six weeks in a hub and the SA club's four weeks.

How would it be fair if those teams didn't get some games at home?

Brisbane should win this year with their lack of travel. And the AFL looking at a GABBA GF.

Will quote again here. Looks like your likely to get quite an extended run of games at home compared to what tye victorian teams had. Its quite the advantage mostly due to the facilities the traveling team has in comparison are not the standard