Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[calder_daddy]

Do we know if Director of coaching is actually in the soft cap or is that something that would be outside it?
Reason I ask, maybe the title will be different but he’ll be an assistant

 

[bombersboy]

Mmm you'd want to be careful with leaving Close as a rookie - as a lot of clubs would be interested in him after his year this year, I'd say. If anyone offers him a senior spot, he can just walk.

With that said, the biggest thing any club needs to do if they want a player on the rookie list, is to get them to publicly commit to you prior to the draft. If another club knows that the player wants to get to a certain club (like players getting re-rookied for example), then they'll never cut another club's lunch as the player has nominated their preference.

If he says 'I don't care where I go', then that's when you sign him as a DFA - as another club (Richmond for example), can just take him at any time.

For mine, I'm in the 'take him as a DFA if he wants us' camp, as Knightmare had him as high as 16th in the draft rankings in August, and has him as one of the best key defenders available in the draft - along with Gibcus and Alleer.

Picking up one of the best small forwards and one of the best key defenders, outside of the draft pool (Stengle and Schlensog), would be an absolute steal if we could do it.

Close has just signed on for 2 years

 

[BORIS332]

There's likely too much interest in him to get him as a rookie. Somebody would almost certainly pick him up in the main draft. We can leave Atkins and Close as rookies so I don't think there's a problem bringing him in on the main list.

Not sure he’s worth a main list spot. If he gets taken before we can rookie him then so be it.

 

[Shadow89]

Close has just signed on for 2 years

Yes, but as a rookie, if another club offers you a senior list spot, they can just move then can't they?

Pure_Ownage Turbocat , you guys are more up on this, maybe I've got it wrong?

 

[Turbocat]

Yes, but as a rookie, if another club offers you a senior list spot, they can just move then can't they?

Pure_Ownage Turbocat , you guys are more up on this, maybe I've got it wrong?

The rookie list is becoming murkier all the time.. but as far as I know if contracted he is tied to us. If OOC and he receives an a main list offer and we will not match it ..he can move.

 

[grum]

Mmm you'd want to be careful with leaving Close as a rookie - as a lot of clubs would be interested in him after his year this year, I'd say. If anyone offers him a senior spot, he can just walk.

With that said, the biggest thing any club needs to do if they want a player on the rookie list, is to get them to publicly commit to you prior to the draft. If another club knows that the player wants to get to a certain club (like players getting re-rookied for example), then they'll never cut another club's lunch as the player has nominated their preference.

If he says 'I don't care where I go', then that's when you sign him as a DFA - as another club (Richmond for example), can just take him at any time.

For mine, I'm in the 'take him as a DFA if he wants us' camp, as Knightmare had him as high as 16th in the draft rankings in August, and has him as one of the best key defenders available in the draft - along with Gibcus and Alleer.

Picking up one of the best small forwards and one of the best key defenders, outside of the draft pool (Stengle and Schlensog), would be an absolute steal if we could do it.

Gee shadow you had a crack at me about having an opinion about trades, and here you are saying lyon no good as assistant, and how i am the worst supporter
you have heard, including wce supporters, well with all your knowledge from your last three posts maybe we can see if we can get a spot 4 you next 2 scotty
up there and see if your any good, and i have 2 apologize for being so disrespectful of your opinions.

 

[Shadow89]

The rookie list is becoming murkier all the time.. but as far as I know if contracted he is tied to us. If OOC and he receives an a main list offer and we will not match it ..he can move.

Cheers mate, I can't keep up with it these days, haha.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Ok ok. I’ll also suggest to the AFL that each year they should replenish each club with, let’s call them “draft picks”, so that clubs may use those to either select players in a “draft” or use them as currency to acquire players from other clubs (a kind of “trade” if you will). That might work?

CE shoots for the green. 3 inches from the pin!

 

[Jmac2225]

Jordan Clark opens up on relationships with Matthew Scarlett and Stephen Wells after Cats trade

“I think that got a bit overplayed."

www.sen.com.au

Too many journos reading big footy.

Best of luck Clarky.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The rookie list is becoming murkier all the time.. but as far as I know if contracted he is tied to us. If OOC and he receives an a main list offer and we will not match it ..he can move.

That was my understanding too if the player isnt offered a deal but as we offered him a 2 year rookie deal i dont think it applies. Wells made the point that both close and atkins are contracted to 2023 so i think they are 100 % staying its just a matter of whether they go on the senior list now or in 2023.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Player manager reveals “honest discussions” took place around delisted Cat's future

“We’re seeing a lot of these situations bob up now.”

www.sen.com.au

Based on his managers comments it sounds like he thinks geelong might rookie CC although thsts different from the tone in the club's statement a bit.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Player manager reveals “honest discussions” took place around delisted Cat's future

“We’re seeing a lot of these situations bob up now.”

www.sen.com.au

Based on his managers comments it sounds like he thinks geelong might rookie CC although thsts different from the tone in the club's statement a bit.

Think they'll be eyeing specific players with the rookie draft. If we rookie Chook we missed our target

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Mmm you'd want to be careful with leaving Close as a rookie - as a lot of clubs would be interested in him after his year this year, I'd say. If anyone offers him a senior spot, he can just walk.

With that said, the biggest thing any club needs to do if they want a player on the rookie list, is to get them to publicly commit to you prior to the draft. If another club knows that the player wants to get to a certain club (like players getting re-rookied for example), then they'll never cut another club's lunch as the player has nominated their preference.

If he says 'I don't care where I go', then that's when you sign him as a DFA - as another club (Richmond for example), can just take him at any time.

For mine, I'm in the 'take him as a DFA if he wants us' camp, as Knightmare had him as high as 16th in the draft rankings in August, and has him as one of the best key defenders available in the draft - along with Gibcus and Alleer.

Picking up one of the best small forwards and one of the best key defenders, outside of the draft pool (Stengle and Schlensog), would be an absolute steal if we could do it.

Close won't walk he's getting games.

 

[calder_daddy]

Boyd Woodcock won’t get picked up by us but will certainly get a lifeline
Kid has X factor

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Close won't walk he's getting games.

If anything he's timing his end of current contract to end when we suddenly have cap available. Kid seems to be backing himself. Great to see

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

If anything he's timing his end of current contract to end when we suddenly have cap available. Kid seems to be backing himself. Great to see

Yep. And like you said, he's contracted.

 

[Lana]

Player manager reveals “honest discussions” took place around delisted Cat's future

“We’re seeing a lot of these situations bob up now.”

www.sen.com.au

Based on his managers comments it sounds like he thinks geelong might rookie CC although thsts different from the tone in the club's statement a bit.

How was the tone when we de-listed Henderson?

 

[Shadow89]

Player manager reveals “honest discussions” took place around delisted Cat's future

“We’re seeing a lot of these situations bob up now.”

www.sen.com.au

Based on his managers comments it sounds like he thinks geelong might rookie CC although thsts different from the tone in the club's statement a bit.

I honestly think that it's being interpreted differently across the board, but those comments from his manager are pretty damn certain.

I think we made those generic comments re: best of luck and thanks for all you did at Geelong, as it's a cover all if another club picks him up and he doesn't come back - which is what him and his manager would prefer for his career.

I'd say both Wells and now his manager, have been pretty damn convincing in saying that there's a spot there for him as a rook, if he can't get one anywhere else - as a lot of us including you and I stated is what would most likely happen.

I'd say I reckon he's a massive chance to be re-rookied, as I can't see anyone else anywhere picking him up. Given what Hendo did with his opportunity, might be the spark that Chook needs to actually really go away and improve his tank/fitness base over the summer.

Not fussed either way, but I'd say it's 80/20 he comes back as a rook - which is probably like Christmas come early for foxdog50,

 

[BigCat1]

OUT: One arrogant defensive-minded prick in Scarlett

IN: One arrogant defensive-minded prick (with added sexual misconduct charges to go alongside) in Ross Lyon

Good job Cats...good job.

Anyone saying 'Ross the Boss' is some 'master tactician', are the same people that thought Malthouse would be the same for Carton.

He's from a bygone era with completely different rules and a much more attacking, 'surge' mentality gamestyle courtesy of the Tigers and Dogs, coupled with the 6-6-6 rule, has replaced it.

He's a relic from a bygone era, and his ideas no no longer hold any weight in the current era.

Hardwick, Beveridge, Goodwin, Fagan, they're the coaches with the modern ideas and the adjustment to the current gamestyle. Hell, throw Nicks, Rutten, Longmuir, Longmire and Noble in there too if you like.

Bottom line is, Lyon is a has-been and his coaching 'nous' is not forward-thinking enough to be relevant in this current era. Unless he's completely reinvented himself, this caper reeks of Scott and Hocking getting another 'boys club' together, at the expense of what is best for the long-term future of our club. Hell, the Carlton board didn't even want Lyon, and here we are.

Godammit this pisses me off. He's not a good person, and shouldn't be anywhere near our club.

Rant over. Come at me Lyon lovers

When do the supporters get classified as relics from a bygone era?

Supporters seem to think they get smarter as they “see more” “experience more” “age” but apparently some of the best minds in football have “lost” it at 50 living and breathing it. This isn’t a physical issue therefore it’s the most ironically flawed logic there is. If that’s our view we should all start devaluing our own opinions first.

Seems to be a real AFL thing at the moment that fans of really poor clubs use marketing spin, cliches, Hope, promises and modern catch phrases to keep you from picking which spinning cup the pile of dog turd is under.

 

[BORIS332]

If they were looking to rookie list him, I could understand them mentioning about making him a DFA to explore his options but would have thought they'd also mention the possibility of him retaining him if no other team came forward

It felt a very final statement in terms of his time as a listed player for Geelong

The below article was published only a day ago, confusing messaging from the club.

Cats hoping to lock in youngster as he ponders next move

“He is certainly a player we want to talk about.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think its all idle speculation...but hey, apart from Scott bashing not much else going on...

Draft speculation notwithstanding....

ah so same old same old...

will be interesting to see if we can nab a gun assistant or two... either a freshly retired gem who will have a very strong perspective of the game played, or someone like an Adam kingsley or Ash Hansen etc.

 

[year of the cat]

The below article was published only a day ago, confusing messaging from the club.

Cats hoping to lock in youngster as he ponders next move

“He is certainly a player we want to talk about.”

www.sen.com.au

You really wonder why he just didn’t say “We are working through our list management at the moment but clearly Charlie is out of contract and being unable to establish himself in our senior team is on the edge”.

 

[Shadow89]

When do the supporters get classified as relics from a bygone era?

Supporters seem to think they get smarter as they “see more” “experience more” “age” but apparently some of the best minds in football have “lost” it at 50 living and breathing it. This isn’t a physical issue therefore it’s the most ironically flawed logic there is. If that’s our view we should all start devaluing our own opinions first.

Seems to be a real AFL thing at the moment that fans of really poor clubs use marketing spin, cliches, Hope, promises and modern catch phrases to keep you from picking which spinning cup the pile of dog turd is under.

Given I'm 32, I'd safely say I'm not a relic, lol.

But seriously - Lyon did not change his style in 10 years of coaching. If anything, he tried changing it at one stage, and then reverted back to the mean when Freo started their rebuild.

Lyon may be able to coach, but like Malthouse, is he able to coach in an era where mental health and treatment of players is nearly as important as the game plan itself - his compassion is not something he's renowned for -, and is he able to work within a team rather than trying to be 'Ross the Boss' - in a new environment?

My biggest problem with Lyon isn't his coaching ability - as yes there is a chance that his intelligence would enable him to contribute and change our style for the better as a keen football mind. No, my biggest qualm is that time and time again he's shown that he's just not a good person.

Whether it be his propensity for selecting favourite oldies at the expense of kids - our own coach can be accused of that too - or it be the accusations from a former staffer regarding sexually inappropriate conduct in the workplace, or, his arrogance that was on display when he went for the Carlton job, where he declared he was going for the job when Teague's future was undecided, and then withdrew when they said he had to submit to an interview process like most other candidates - Lyon does not have a good track record as someone who is trusted and upstanding within the football world.

I have many issues with Scott and his coaching, but one thing I've repeated ad nauseam, is that he is a person of the highest character and someone who I have the utmost respect for. His style and a lot of other things may drive me up the wall, but his determination to better himself every year and always do what's best by the club, at least means I'll be able to deal with him being at the club, even if his style doesn't change enough for mine or other supporter's tastes. In comparison to Lyon, Scott is someone I'm happy to have around the club and those young and old.

Lyon on the other hand, is only ever cited as 'driving hard standards' and being 'no nonsense.' That cavalier attitude in this day and age, is what drives away young kids like Clark - the Scarlett debacle being an apt demonstration of this.

Just because I'm a supporter, doesn't mean I can't see how Lyon has conducted himself in the football world for the past decade and a bit. I can respect what he's done and his intelligence, but I do not respect him as a person - and do not want him within a mile of our club.

Others like yourself will obviously disagree, but he's an old school person ala Scarlett, who thinks that 'being tough' is more important than kind and understanding - something that does not fly in 2021.

 

[calder_daddy]

The below article was published only a day ago, confusing messaging from the club.

Cats hoping to lock in youngster as he ponders next move

“He is certainly a player we want to talk about.”

www.sen.com.au

You really wonder why he just didn’t say “We are working through our list management at the moment but clearly Charlie is out of contract and being unable to establish himself in our senior team is on the edge”.

To me, over the last 24 hours someone has committed to drafting him as a DFA

 

[GeelongFTW]

How was the tone when we de-listed Henderson?

different situation because we were committed to rookie listing Abbott and a spot only opened up after the Saint picked him up.