Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Turbocat]

Phillips will be a decent player if he has a good injury run. That said i think he will be more a B+ grader and clark projects higher than that for me he has potential A grade qualities.

The issue is that north overlooked mcdonald which given their issues with tall timber was really stupid

There will be a heap of other players for them to choose from ...he will be cheapish in the near future

 

[Turbocat]

True, but that's all you can get at this level.

Sorry TC, it was not a negative comment. Dubious was referring to a preferred choice regarding scoreboard impact, and even more sorry, it was not your comment- it was BORIS332. I think he preferred Darcy Wilson. In the past, when I have made comments about ER players, you have been very quick to reply, which I really appreciate.

I like Wilson too. The two of them together would be good additions... all my point was that I dont think its as barren post ten as being portrayed by some. Perhaps not as good but once in system I can see a few players having their ratings change ..just as Holmes has.

Like the kid Moraes for next year.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Is nobody at all concerned about the expansion factor when hoping the club picks up Sanders? It’s all well and good to attract talent and all, but is there a concern that he will get a few years of development in VIC only to be schmoozed into the TAS club just as he’s hitting his straps?

I wouldn't be too concerned about players moving from Tas to VIC and then wanting to go back. The dilemma for the AFL will be how they keep players from any state in Tasmania

 

[Mr Meow]

Off set by playing the grand final at the opposition's home ground.

So if:

f MCG advantage = Interstate academies/COLA etc

Wouldn't we expect something closer to 50% (around 40% specifically) for interstate vs Victorian flags over a time frame that is close to 20 years?

That is what offset would mean. Or is your contention that the MCG advantage makes Victorian sides 10x more likely to win a flag even accounting for the academies, and so things are playing out as expected?

 

[Vdubs]

I wouldn't be too concerned about players moving from Tas to VIC and then wanting to go back. The dilemma for the AFL will be how they keep players from any state in Tasmania

where did you quote that post from, if you don't mind me asking?
Unless I am somnambulistic and posted this , I have no knowledge of ever having posted this, and no knowledge of the content. I might add it was a well-written post.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

where did you quote that post from, if you don't mind me asking?
Unless I am narcoleptic and posted this , I have no knowledge of ever having posted this, and no knowledge of the content. I might add it was a well-written post.

Sorry, my mistake. I was about to reply to something you said but reconsidered. In the course of deleting your quote I've mixed up the usernames.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

I wouldn't be too concerned about players moving from Tas to VIC and then wanting to go back. The dilemma for the AFL will be how they keep players from any state in Tasmania

In the long term, yeah that will be a sore point for their expansion the same as we see with GC/GWS. But that will be of no comfort to us if we put five solid years of investment into a gun midfielder only to have an unconscionably gigantic pile of money thrown at him to be a founding player at #19. I’m not saying we should ignore him at the draft, all I’m saying is that it is a highly probable scenario given we already saw Ablett get lured AWAY from home under the same premise.

 

[standupand]

Just on the club's approach to the Sav trade.

I do get that there is no point being a "fair" trader when every other club is simply trying to screw you over.

But you've also got to look at things from the club-player relationship perspective too. I'd like to see the club doing the right thing by players who have done good to the club too.

Sav has seen out his contract with us and Port are obviously offering a decent one that we're probably not willing to match.

Sav's one of my favourite players. I'd hate to lose him. But I just think in this situation, it seems a bit rich to dig the heels in. Do right by players generally and more of them will want to come than go.

When Sydney lured Mumford away on a massive contract we took pick 28 and drafted a talented kid called Mitch Duncan.

 

[Warhorse]

So if:

f MCG advantage = Interstate academies/COLA etc

Wouldn't we expect something closer to 50% (around 40% specifically) for interstate vs Victorian flags over a time frame that is close to 20 years?

That is what offset would mean. Or is your contention that the MCG advantage makes Victorian sides 10x more likely to win a flag even accounting for the academies, and so things are playing out as expected?

Don't over think it bud

 

[Vdubs]

Just on the club's approach to the Sav trade.

I do get that there is no point being a "fair" trader when every other club is simply trying to screw you over.

But you've also got to look at things from the club-player relationship perspective too. I'd like to see the club doing the right thing by players who have done good to the club too.

Sav has seen out his contract with us and Port are obviously offering a decent one that we're probably not willing to match.

Sav's one of my favourite players. I'd hate to lose him. But I just think in this situation, it seems a bit rich to dig the heels in. Do right by players generally and more of them will want to come than go.

When Sydney lured Mumford away on a massive contract we took pick 28 and drafted a talented kid called Mitch Duncan.

This farm week fiasco is just an endurance event for us. Most players are away and fully aware of the process.
We have been shafted previously with lots of criticism on what we have given away- this year, the shoes are on other feet.
In 2 weeks, nobody will be complaining about us playing the game, Sav will be happy, and who knows what we get for all the work we've put into one of my favourites too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pick 24 or 25 now is about right enough. When we have had a full compliment of players he was in the VFL. Our premiership year he played 4 games and when he has played he hasn’t played very well. Not sure why there is a jostling for Sav. He ain’t very good and history proves it!

It would be right in most drafrs but this draft isnt great. I think geelong wanted future picks so now port traded out their future 1st this one has got difficult. 25 is a more than fair offer in isolation but its not an appetising pick this year.

 

[Mr Meow]

Don't over think it bud

I just didn't know what you meant. I respect your right to obfuscate.

 

[foxdog50]

How impressive was that river - nothing beats a fast flowing river - even the sound of it is great

Best thing it's in my backyard ( now iv given where I live )

 

[Turbocat]

Just on the club's approach to the Sav trade.

I do get that there is no point being a "fair" trader when every other club is simply trying to screw you over.

But you've also got to look at things from the club-player relationship perspective too. I'd like to see the club doing the right thing by players who have done good to the club too.

Sav has seen out his contract with us and Port are obviously offering a decent one that we're probably not willing to match.

Sav's one of my favourite players. I'd hate to lose him. But I just think in this situation, it seems a bit rich to dig the heels in. Do right by players generally and more of them will want to come than go.

When Sydney lured Mumford away on a massive contract we took pick 28 and drafted a talented kid called Mitch Duncan.

If he is not traded by the end of business next Wed... then start your engines. But we are dealing with a 25 yo old player of worth to us. Was GWS ...who had been given 10 years fro Jez Caermon wrong to put up the draw bridge on him .. a RFA player that should have been a UFA?..

A deal will get done. Plenty of time yet.

 

[Shadow89]

On twitter X.

From him personally, from a journo, or from a random account?

 

[standupand]

If he is not traded by the end of business next Wed... then start your engines. But we are dealing with a 25 yo old player of worth to us. Was GWS ...who had been given 10 years fro Jez Caermon wrong to put up the draw bridge on him .. a RFA player that should have been a UFA?..

A deal will get done. Plenty of time yet.

Yeah I'm sure that he will be. And I guess the club doesn't really have any urgency to get this deal done to enable any others so they can afford to sit on their hands. I just don't think making the player wait it out is overall the best approach.

Re GWS and Cameron - yeah I absolutely do think they were very wrong to do that. It would have been well within Geelong's rights to bail on that deal and that would have left them with a player on a big contract who ultimately had already checked out. Very cavalier, disrespectful, and ultimately very lucky.

 

[dazbroncos]

The academy gravy train keeps rolling

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what its only 11 of 23 of the best kids in the country

What perpetual leg up that they still cant win flags with.... so essentially they are pissing the gold they get away.

You look at that and people wonder why Wells Mackie and Co want a little more than 37 for Sav.

Its not just the deal itself its the landscape now. Everything we get into the club has to be maximised to try and offset the increasing slant against the legacy clubs that we face - as evidence by the above AA squad. 1/2 of the AA group goes to priority aligned clubs.

So yeah, while not wanting to be unreasonable you can see, at least IMO, why the stiff upper lip is getting a run more and more

And no, that doesnt justify DODO going for 3 x RD 1 picks every time.
GO Catters

 

[BORIS332]

Just on the club's approach to the Sav trade.

I do get that there is no point being a "fair" trader when every other club is simply trying to screw you over.

But you've also got to look at things from the club-player relationship perspective too. I'd like to see the club doing the right thing by players who have done good to the club too.

Sav has seen out his contract with us and Port are obviously offering a decent one that we're probably not willing to match.

Sav's one of my favourite players. I'd hate to lose him. But I just think in this situation, it seems a bit rich to dig the heels in. Do right by players generally and more of them will want to come than go.

When Sydney lured Mumford away on a massive contract we took pick 28 and drafted a talented kid called Mitch Duncan.

I do agree. I think the caveat here is what are we offering Sav to stay? If it’s nowhere near his Port offer then we can’t expect him to stay, and in that case we just need to get the deal done. I agree with Mackie that he’s worth more than pick 25, but if it gets to D-day and that’s all that’s on the table, we need to do the right thing by Sav.

 

[tielgaz]

So after 1000 pages of comments it looks like we are not getting anyone which is disappointing. I think we needed a few free agents given our lack of picks in the trade. Teams are topping up and we are sitting on our hands, can’t see us making any head way next year as I think we needed a high quality mid to compete with the top teams. With at least 5-7 retirements coming next year we may have changed (or been forced) to change our strategy. On the bright side we had a great run and the 22 premiership was our crowning glory! Thank god we won that as we deserved it…..

 

[tielgaz]

I do agree. I think the caveat here is what are we offering Sav to stay? If it’s nowhere near his Port offer then we can’t expect him to stay, and in that case we just need to get the deal done. I agree with Mackie that he’s worth more than pick 25, but if it gets to D-day and that’s all that’s on the table, we need to do the right thing by Sav.

No we don’t. They new what we wanted. Pick 25 is now 30ish after compos, keep it. We don’t have to give a top team a leg up just silly talk…

 

[gogeelongcats]

So after 1000 pages of comments it looks like we are not getting anyone which is disappointing. I think we needed a few free agents given our lack of picks in the trade. Teams are topping up and we are sitting on our hands, can’t see us making any head way next year as I think we needed a high quality mid to compete with the top teams. With at least 5-7 retirements coming next year we may have changed (or been forced) to change our strategy. On the bright side we had a great run and the 22 premiership was our crowning glory! Thank god we won that as we deserved it…..

Last year compensated us for this year. I have faith the club will deliver with what we have. Difficult when you look at the table below

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I do agree. I think the caveat here is what are we offering Sav to stay? If it’s nowhere near his Port offer then we can’t expect him to stay, and in that case we just need to get the deal done. I agree with Mackie that he’s worth more than pick 25, but if it gets to D-day and that’s all that’s on the table, we need to do the right thing by Sav.

I think the player's wishes are important but most important is the best interests of the club. I think in reality mackie is probably quite willing to trade him but i can also see the other side of the coin in that this draft lacks depth, p25 is every chance to be a bust so if port cant/wont cough up 2024 picks we arent losing much by not dealing and letting him go to the draft. When you look at this poor draft in context the reality is its better for geelong to either let him go to north/haw in the draft rather than strengthen a fellow contender, or for sav to sign for 1 year and then leave wherever he wants as a UFA next year-where we will get a compo pick just as good as 25 in a better draft. Now i know why his management wont like the 2nd option bc of the risk he gets injured and then no one offers him good money next year-they want him to lock in the best long term deal he can get now. But there has to be benefit in it for the club and because this draft isnt great i cant see a lot of benefit there. Will be interesting to see what we do.

In this context port should have kept the fr1, i think if they had offered us that with us sending back an fr2 or later futures the deal would already be done. I think the issue is we dont rate this draft (which is why we were happy to trade picks out last year) and so we are not super keen on mid range picks this year even though it is a fair offer.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

So after 1000 pages of comments it looks like we are not getting anyone which is disappointing. I think we needed a few free agents given our lack of picks in the trade. Teams are topping up and we are sitting on our hands, can’t see us making any head way next year as I think we needed a high quality mid to compete with the top teams. With at least 5-7 retirements coming next year we may have changed (or been forced) to change our strategy. On the bright side we had a great run and the 22 premiership was our crowning glory! Thank god we won that as we deserved it…..

You think that guy from the hawks whose name I forgot and will probably only ever play VFL is not getting someone? Blah ... On a side note we don't even need anyone, that's why the mighty seagulls cats have decided to not even consider the possibility of bringing in a backup ruck. Nothing but smooth sailing all the way to the 2024 premiership.

 

[BORIS332]

I think the player's wishes are important but most important is the best interests of the club. I think in reality mackie is probably quite willing to trade him but i can also see the other side of the coin in that this draft lacks depth, p25 is every chance to be a bust so if port cant/wont cough up 2024 picks we arent losing much by not dealing and letting him go to the draft. When you look at this poor draft in context the reality is its better for geelong to either let him go to north/haw in the draft rather than strengthen a fellow contender, or for sav to sign for 1 year and then leave wherever he wants as a UFA next year-where we will get a compo pick just as good as 25 in a better draft. Now i know why his management wont like the 2nd option bc of the risk he gets injured and then no one offers him good money next year-they want him to lock in the best long term deal he can get now. But there has to be benefit in it for the club and because this draft isnt great i cant see a lot of benefit there. Will be interesting to see what we do.

In this context port should have kept the fr1, i think if they had offered us that with us sending back an fr2 or later futures the deal would already be done. I think the issue is we dont rate this draft (which is why we were happy to trade picks out last year) and so we are not super keen on mid range picks this year even though it is a fair offer.

There’s no benefit to us in having him walk to the ND for free.

 

[cats_09]

So after 1000 pages of comments it looks like we are not getting anyone which is disappointing. I think we needed a few free agents given our lack of picks in the trade. Teams are topping up and we are sitting on our hands, can’t see us making any head way next year as I think we needed a high quality mid to compete with the top teams. With at least 5-7 retirements coming next year we may have changed (or been forced) to change our strategy. On the bright side we had a great run and the 22 premiership was our crowning glory! Thank god we won that as we deserved it…..

Except that we've continually been regenerating our list over the past decade, and that hitting the trade table isn't the only means of doing just that.

Besides, not bringing in 3 or 4 players via trade isn't a sign of sitting on our hands. There's been noise all year around players of interest, approaches that have been made it - if a player decides to stay at their current club or prefers a team other than Geelong, so be it but that doesn't mean we're sitting on our hands

Then there's consideration of the players freely available - just because someone is looking for a new home doesn't mean they're the best fit for the club, so bringing them in as a means of being seen to do something isn't necessarily the smartest option

And while we may lack the top end draft picks that North has, we will still have sufficient picks to cover the open spots on the list - and as we've seen over the years, those later picks tend to go pretty well for us