Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[year of the cat]

what's so good about Thursday?

Fridays on my mind

 

[Turbocat]

The recruiters track draft classes 2-3 years ahead and ive been talking to people in recruiting circles who were saying this (that this year's crop is a very shallow pool and next year's has a lot more quality and depth) 12 months ago. Some things can change with individual names but the overall quality of the pool can be predicted ahead of time.

To some degree though that does play into the hive mindset of once it is thought to be ..it is. Is it easier to agree or to be a contrarian? Lets have a look back in 3 or 4 years and see how it goes.

 

[Mr Meow]

Except that we've continually been regenerating our list over the past decade, and that hitting the trade table isn't the only means of doing just that.

Besides, not bringing in 3 or 4 players via trade isn't a sign of sitting on our hands. There's been noise all year around players of interest, approaches that have been made it - if a player decides to stay at their current club or prefers a team other than Geelong, so be it but that doesn't mean we're sitting on our hands

Then there's consideration of the players freely available - just because someone is looking for a new home doesn't mean they're the best fit for the club, so bringing them in as a means of being seen to do something isn't necessarily the smartest option

And while we may lack the top end draft picks that North has, we will still have sufficient picks to cover the open spots on the list - and as we've seen over the years, those later picks tend to go pretty well for us

Agreed.

The less brought in, the more trust and opportunities that go to Bruhn, Bowes, Clark, Knevitt, Dempsey, Mullin and Clohesy. Targets identified would have to be a serious step above where the club rates these players potential for 2024/2025. Maybe the club would rather gamble on one or two of these breaking out like Holmes and SDK in 2022. If the best aren't available, then why bother with the alternative?

 

[year of the cat]

Agreed.

The less brought in, the more trust and opportunities that go to Bruhn, Bowes, Clark, Knevitt, Dempsey, Mullin and Clohesy. Targets identified would have to be a serious step above where the club rates these players potential for 2024/2025. Maybe the club would rather gamble on one or two of these breaking out like Holmes and SDK in 2022. If the best aren't available, then why bother with the alternative?

From that list Bruhn and Bowes are effectively regulars now. You’d expect them to play every game bar injury. Clark and Knevitt I’d hope to make the next step and play 12-15 games if their form warrants. Dempsey might be squeezed unless he can play wing perhaps replacing Smith. Id like to see him tried there.

Mullin and Clohesy are a way off. Unless they develop substantially over the off season I can’t see either playing too often. If they get 2-4 games then they’ve probably done well.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Every goddam year I read this

Yeh, but you don’t read it every year from the same person. Happy to back PO in with his comment.

 

[cats_09]

what's so good about Thursday?

no more trade talk for 12 months

 

[cats_09]

Agreed.

The less brought in, the more trust and opportunities that go to Bruhn, Bowes, Clark, Knevitt, Dempsey, Mullin and Clohesy. Targets identified would have to be a serious step above where the club rates these players potential for 2024/2025. Maybe the club would rather gamble on one or two of these breaking out like Holmes and SDK in 2022. If the best aren't available, then why bother with the alternative?

Parish is a player who would have immediately addressed our inside mid needs, and can see a reason for why we may have chased him - I know some would suggest that a guy like Paddy Dow could potentially be a younger & cheaper version, but the question I’d ask is if he’s a significant enough improvement on those currently available on our list, or if it would be more beneficial in the long run to back in those on our list like Bruhn & Clark, who may well turn into our next leading inside mid


The other option we may be looking at is keeping a spot or 2 open following the draft, and look to fill that/those via the SSP early in the new year after having a player or 2 training with us over summer

 

[year of the cat]

Just looking at those Bruhn and Henry trades from last year. And the players taken with it after the picks in that draft or we might get with the 2nd rounder this year we gave up to get Henry - both trades are looking pretty solidly in our favour atm.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

How thin is this years draft? Well, a guy not good enough to play for Vic Country at all this year, went to the state combine not the national one, is at pick 28 in Waterworths power rankings for fox footy and considered an outside chance at the first round.



Also from the July rankings to now Collard went from 30 to 18. Schoenmaker from outside 30 to 20. Windsor from outside 30 to 16. Leake from outside 30 to 15. Mitch Edwards went from 13 to 29.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Fridays on my mind

Ok easy beat ...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

 

[year of the cat]

How thin is this years draft? Well, a guy not good enough to play for Vic Country at all this year, went to the state combine not the national one, is at pick 28 in Waterworths power rankings for fox footy and considered an outside chance at the first round.

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Also from the July rankings to now Collard went from 30 to 18. Schoenmaker from outside 30 to 20. Windsor from outside 30 to 16. Leake from outside 30 to 15. Mitch Edwards went from 13 to 29.

After the first 10 picks, it becomes a lottery. Leake I reckon will go shortly after but there will be some surprises.

My bet is that George Stevens will slide. Possibly into the 40’s. Reckon Hastie will go before him.

 

[year of the cat]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

Sounds like crap. Your 2024 F1 could be 18. Even with your first this year it’s no where near enough. We’d be getting far better offers than that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Sounds like crap. Your 2024 F1 could be 18. Even with your first this year it’s no where near enough. We’d be getting far better offers than that.

We split our first in the Fisher trade to 22 and 25. We could also finish 7-8th and it ends up pick 11-12. Depends on how the Cats rate our chances

 

[year of the cat]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

We split our first in the Fisher trade to 22 and 25

Well where are you getting the draft collateral to get close to a trade for us to consider?

 

[Lana]

Sounds like crap. Your 2024 F1 could be 18. Even with your first this year it’s no where near enough. We’d be getting far better offers than that.

I'd take that gamble, Pick 8 for their future first and and their pick 22. If they're the ones initiating it then also their pick 26 for a future 3rd

 

[CatToTheFuture]

After the first 10 picks, it becomes a lottery. Leake I reckon will go shortly after but there will be some surprises.

My bet is that George Stevens will slide. Possibly into the 40’s. Reckon Hastie will go before him.

Yeah Stevens has attributes and sounds like he was OK at the combine but he does look slow to the eye. Can definitely see him sliding, but then again, to slide you have to be overtaken by a player. Who is overtaking him?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We split our first in the Fisher trade to 22 and 25. We could also finish 7-8th and it ends up pick 11-12. Depends on how the Cats rate our chances

Would be a pretty big gamble. Not one I would take personally

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Well where are you getting the draft collateral to get close to a trade for us to consider?

Just passing on what we've been told by 3 of our more reliable posters. What a trade looks like I have no idea.

Can only assume Geelong's openness to trading pick 8 would be because they expect Sanders to be gone before then who's long been rumoured to be a target

 

[Turbocat]

We split our first in the Fisher trade to 22 and 25. We could also finish 7-8th and it ends up pick 11-12. Depends on how the Cats rate our chances

So just what are you projecting as the deal .... two picks in the 20's and a Fr1 ...that could be in the 20's if you have a year you hope to have. It would be unlike us to agree to that deal. Id rather take our pick to draft ... and see what offers come.

 

[Turbocat]

Just passing on what we've been told by 3 of our more reliable posters. What a trade looks like I have no idea.

Can only assume Geelong's openness to trading pick 8 would be because they expect Sanders to be gone before then who's long been rumoured to be a target

The same deal could be done in draft ..imagine trading it now and finding Sanders is available.

Other offers may be far better depending on who is available. Make szero sense to do a deal like that now. Where is the upside?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'd take that gamble, Pick 8 for their future first and and their pick 22. If they're the ones initiating it then also their pick 26 for a future 3rd

No chance thats an awful deal for us.
Someone like adel say 14 and a future 1st would be better for starters we will get better offers.
I also dont think we will trade 8 until draft night anyway.

 

[Turbocat]

No chance thats an awful deal for us.
Someone like adel say 14 and a future 1st would be better for starters we will get better offers.
I also dont think we will trade 8 until draft night anyway.

Trading P8 for P22 and a Fr1 off a finalist on the up ... would only make sense if it was deep draft and P22 would reap a kid that would normally go R1... a sort of Holmes pick... ( and Holmes as an example was atrade done when we saw he was available.)

If O Sullivan is there ..I feel North offer us two late r1's and maybe a Fr2

 

[Lana]

No chance thats an awful deal for us.
Someone like adel say 14 and a future 1st would be better for starters we will get better offers.
I also dont think we will trade 8 until draft night anyway.

Our pick 8 is percieved as soft pick in a weak draft. It'll be 10 or 11 on the day. Unless we can somehow package it in someones quest for pick 1 I think we'll have trouble moving it on.

Adelaide won't bottle a F1 to move forward a handful of spaces.

I'm happy to split it, this year and take a gamble on a F1 next year. I don't think Carlton will back this year up.

 

[Turbocat]

Can’t wait for Wed to be over.

It does tend to go too slow....