Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Just passing on what we've been told by 3 of our more reliable posters. What a trade looks like I have no idea.

Can only assume Geelong's openness to trading pick 8 would be because they expect Sanders to be gone before then who's long been rumoured to be a target

Yeah that tracks RE Sanders. Still O'Sullivan or Caddy I would have thought would appeal. I would expect your future first to be maybe pick 12 at the earliest likely 15+. I'd be ropeable if it was a straight swap

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The same deal could be done in draft ..imagine trading it now and finding Sanders is available.

Other offers may be far better depending on who is available. Make szero sense to do a deal like that now. Where is the upside?

Would only make sense if we wanted to use it in a player trade this year

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I'd take that gamble, Pick 8 for their future first and and their pick 22. If they're the ones initiating it then also their pick 26 for a future 3rd

Would hate if we did that.

Premiership race is wide open next year, and the Blues will be right amongst it IMO. That's pick 14-18 and 22 for pick 8.

It's an incredibly shallow draft, past about 15 you're crossing your fingers. Every chance we get a late first and a speculative prospect in exchange for one of the players in the elite bracket of this draft. Blues make out like bandits.

Even if we're trying to go heavy on next year's draft, or stockpile firsts for a trade target next year, it just doesn't make sense.

There will be better offers, and if we have a target in the 20s we can just pick them with the Sav pick anyway.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Would only make sense if we wanted to use it in a player trade this year

Only way it makes sense is if we're bundling up future firsts to make a last minute hail mary bid for Smith.

They don't want picks in this draft due to the Croft bid, so our current pick was never going to get it done.

I doubt it though, and if that deal (or similar) isn't the reason, I can't genuinely think of one. We'd be better off waiting till draft night. A club will get desperate and pay through the nose, it happens regularly.

 

[Lana]

Would hate if we did that.

Premiership race is wide open next year, and the Blues will be right amongst it IMO. That's pick 14-18 and 22 for pick 8.

It's an incredibly shallow draft, past about 15 you're crossing your fingers. Every chance we get a late first and a speculative prospect in exchange for one of the players in the elite bracket of this draft. Blues make out like bandits.

Even if we're trying to go heavy on next year's draft, or stockpile firsts for a trade target next year, it just doesn't make sense.

There will be better offers, and if we have a target in the 20s we can just pick them with the Sav pick anyway.

I think the cross fingers starts earlier than 15. After Reid and Mckercher. I think they is already a decent drop off.

 

[Turbocat]

Would only make sense if we wanted to use it in a player trade this year

One may as well take the sav pick Port are offering and do the deal... marginal difference. And who would it be?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I think the cross fingers starts earlier than 15. After Reid and Mckercher. I think they is already a decent drop off.

Hard disagree there. Curtin, Sanders, Duursma, Watson & O'Sullivan are all very good prospects. Caddy's lineball IMO, mainly due to his size, and Wilson looks like quality.

Would be happy with any of them, after that it's getting dicey.

Just feels wrong to give up the chance of back-to-back blue chip picks to go straight to the speculative types with no real obvious advantage.

It's nothing against Carlton, it would be the same if it was any other club. They're the ones trading up, not us. It's not supposed to be 'fair', we should be the ones with the sweeter deal.

 

[Lana]

Hard disagree there. Curtin, Sanders, Duursma, Watson & O'Sullivan are all very good prospects. Caddy's lineball IMO, mainly due to his size, and Wilson looks like quality.

Would be happy with any of them, after that it's getting dicey.

Just feels wrong to give up the chance of back-to-back blue chip picks to go straight to the speculative types with no real obvious advantage.

It's nothing against Carlton, it would be the same if it was any other club. They're the ones trading up, not us. It's not supposed to be 'fair', we should be the ones with the sweeter deal.

Not a fan of Curtin and Duursma. I think Curtin's developed a bit earlier then others his age. I think Duursma's ball use is wasteful but he moves with power and pace and I like his double efforts within the contest. I'd be happy to grab him our pick be he'll go well before then. In a different year there is no way he'd go top 5, hard to predict the player he grows into.

Unless a team has a fully developmed inside midfield rotation, it would be nuts to grab Watson with a top 10 pick, Caleb Daniel who was billed as Ablett short 10 cms went at 46 ffs. I'm not confident he'll be able to what he does when the overall athleticism goes up a couple of notches.

I worry about Sanders' ability to get away from the contest. He is a bit too much like Clark. He is by far the most complete player of the group, I worry about his ceiling.

With Caddy, If you are small for a KPF you need to have a weapon, I don't see one.

No Comments on O'Sulivan or Wilson, haven't seen enough to have an oppinion.

 

[Finknottle]

Is Geelong still playing hard ball with the battered Sav? If the Savaloy wants to go it might give us more options if we take whats on offer. Sav was originally drafted in the 3rd round as I recall.

 

[cats_09]

Is Geelong still playing hard ball with the battered Sav? If the Savaloy wants to go it might give us more options if we take whats on offer. Sav was originally drafted in the 3rd round as I recall.

I'm pretty sure that ones original draft position doesn't hold much sway 7 years into their career - it's more about how the player is valued on their recent form, projected form etc

With Port's offer again suggested to be in the area of $700k and 5 or 6 years - it kinda starts to suggest he's worth more to Port then pick 25 that they're offering

 

[geelong_crazy26]

suprised smith wants out to hawks.... did we not pursue him???? would have been ideal for us.

 

[Shadow89]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

Lol I read that whole thread from yesterday, it says you're 'trying' to get Pick 8 - not that you've got it or that it will happen on a certain day.

Gonna have to be a good offer for us to consider trading it out before draft night. Why would we trade it out any sooner, as we could just see who lands there. Doesn't make sense for you guys either, as another club could just take him too. You also don't have close to the trade collateral.

I'm sure you'll be back here saying you were wrong once it doesn't go through by COB Wednesday... surely...

 

[Tristan34]

Just passing on what we've been told by 3 of our more reliable posters. What a trade looks like I have no idea.

Can only assume Geelong's openness to trading pick 8 would be because they expect Sanders to be gone before then who's long been rumoured to be a target

Sam Walsh..

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

You don't have the draft collateral. I can't see us agreeing to that.

 

[foxdog50]

We split our first in the Fisher trade to 22 and 25. We could also finish 7-8th and it ends up pick 11-12. Depends on how the Cats rate our chances

I think you will be finishing top 4 next year... so it's a no for your future 1st pick
( this is a compliment to you guys on the way up )

 

[catempire]

I’m very interested in Carlton’s F1 with accompaniment(s). They have slider written all them.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I’m very interested in Carlton’s F1 with accompaniment(s). They have slider written all them.

I reckon they need to aquire a F1 from somewhere else too for us to consider it.

23 RD1, F1 and F1 from somewhere else with 8 and F2 going back.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Hard disagree there. Curtin, Sanders, Duursma, Watson & O'Sullivan are all very good prospects. Caddy's lineball IMO, mainly due to his size, and Wilson looks like quality.

Would be happy with any of them, after that it's getting dicey.

Just feels wrong to give up the chance of back-to-back blue chip picks to go straight to the speculative types with no real obvious advantage.

It's nothing against Carlton, it would be the same if it was any other club. They're the ones trading up, not us. It's not supposed to be 'fair', we should be the ones with the sweeter deal.

I think O'Sullivan is a bit line ball too, and it sounds like lot choice is one of those two

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’m very interested in Carlton’s F1 with accompaniment(s). They have slider written all them.

Big risk, the accompanying picks better be good.

22 + 26 + Future rd1 is probably the best they offer. 26 will be the 30th or so name in a draft that will have busts selected in the teens

Very easy to see us trading out a future Charlie Curnow or Sam Weitering in Caddy or O'Sullivan and getting back two Flynn Kroegers and a Darcy Lang.

It would be worth it only if the dogs had specifically said that we will trade Smith for two future firsts so come back if you have them. Would also explain us being upset not getting FFirst from Port and driving a hard bargain there. It's more likely the dogs are just sticking to the hard no.

 

[FootyLad0]

According to our 'ITK' posters on our board sounds like a trade for pick 8 going down tomorrow or the day after involving our 2024 F1. Super keen on Caddy supposedly.

You guys are on the way up not down so i don't believe it at all.

Why would we drop back that far AND go for a speculative pick which will likely end up around that range too?

Top 8 (plus 2 of the GC academy kids) in this years draft look much much better than the outside group compared to other years.
Cats would rather go to draft and pick another blue chip guy. We rarely have a top 10 pick, why would we give that up now?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Our pick 8 is percieved as soft pick in a weak draft. It'll be 10 or 11 on the day. Unless we can somehow package it in someones quest for pick 1 I think we'll have trouble moving it on.

Adelaide won't bottle a F1 to move forward a handful of spaces.

I'm happy to split it, this year and take a gamble on a F1 next year. I don't think Carlton will back this year up.

Adel will bc of welsh next year..melb may give 11 and something if caddy is there..nm would be keen..we will get better deals than 20s picks and a late fr1. Also better to do it on the night than now.

 

[year of the cat]

I’m very interested in Carlton’s F1 with accompaniment(s). They have slider written all them.

Risky move. I reckon now that they've broken the finals monkey it's onwards and upwards for them. Have a good age profile and are solid all over the ground. Not a trade I'd entertain.

 

[Johanpetro]

Risky move. I reckon now that they've broken the finals monkey it's onwards and upwards for them. Have a good age profile and are solid all over the ground. Not a trade I'd entertain.

Agreed. There’s absolutely no reason to think that the Blues will be sliders.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Risky move. I reckon now that they've broken the finals monkey it's onwards and upwards for them. Have a good age profile and are solid all over the ground. Not a trade I'd entertain.

Yeah once you get momentum you're hard to stop.

I think they might have an early stumble though. They play their best 22 then they have a forward line that's just way too tall. Curnow, McKay, Silvagni, TDK, plus Pitto when resting. They need another McKay injury almost.

 

[catempire]

Risky move. I reckon now that they've broken the finals monkey it's onwards and upwards for them. Have a good age profile and are solid all over the ground. Not a trade I'd entertain.

All future pick trades are risky. You need to be compensated for the risk you take on. Only do it if the trade includes that risk premium in your favour.

I’m very strongly of the view they overachieved with two lucky finals wins. Not convinced there is much upside.