Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Turbocat]

Road trips are the best times for random thoughts - reading the above tweet about Brisbane lodging paperwork for Doedee and Adelaide now being in a position to match & force a trade had me thinking about free agency and especially UFA

As per the current rules, when the new team lodges paperwork for an UFA, the current team has 3 days to match the offer - the player can then either sign with their current team (not going to happen), a trade is forced between the 2 teams or the player enters the draft

Should the rules around UFA be tweaked somewhat, and that before the current team has their 3 days to match, the AFL (or AFL House /whoever) does a review of the most recent offer from the current team, compared with the offer made by the new team

IF the most recent offer from the current team is lower than that made by the new team, they lose the right to match - the premise being, you didn't value the player at that level when making your offer, so why now should you view them at that value just as a means of making things difficult...

This would stop teams being able to force a trade if they don't like the potential compensation on offer, while also placing an expectation on them to be fair with their own offer to the player & not undervalue them to see what happens

You mean RFA. No matching for UFA


Id change a fair bit on matching FA. Your suggestion seems a very afl type rule . quirky enough to be something they would do. To me the whole concept of RFA and UFA is restriction of trade ... you treat 25% of your list different to the other 75% based on how much they earn... in a certain year. Back ended deals mess up the concept about who is RFA and UFA.

 

[cats_09]

I'm no expert, but wouldn't the vast majority of these trades be for higher money?

Some, not all

Pretty sure that Dangerfield was offered a better deal at Adelaide but he wanted to return to Geelong

 

[STPer18]

Pick 19 for Doedee leaving off the back of two ACLs is ludicrous. Top 10 for Sav now.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Very generous the AFL has been with compo picks so far.

 

[cats_09]

You mean RFA. No matching for UFA


Id change a fair bit on matching FA. Your suggestion seems a very afl type rule . quirky enough to be something they would do. To me the whole concept of RFA and UFA is restriction of trade ... you treat 25% of your list different to the other 75% based on how much they earn... in a certain year. Back ended deals mess up the concept about who is RFA and UFA.

Yeah, that one - I've corrected it now

It does feel at times that matching on an RFA is more about getting a better draft pick/s than on offer via compensation compared with how the team does value the player as part of their team - about the commodity they can bring in for them

I remember when Scooter joined us as a RFA that WCE very quickly didn't match the offer, but after they were notified of the compensation pick, there was a bit more noise around being unhappy with it and they would have matched if they'd known it would be a pick either in or end of first round

So that wasn't about matching due to wanting to keep the player, but purely about wanting a better pick which I'm not sure would have been coming anyway

 

[calder_daddy]

Road trips are the best times for random thoughts - reading the above tweet about Brisbane lodging paperwork for Doedee and Adelaide now being in a position to match & force a trade had me thinking about free agency and especially RFA

As per the current rules, when the new team lodges paperwork for an RFA, the current team has 3 days to match the offer - the player can then either sign with their current team (not going to happen), a trade is forced between the 2 teams or the player enters the draft

Should the rules around UFA be tweaked somewhat, and that before the current team has their 3 days to match, the AFL (or AFL House /whoever) does a review of the most recent offer from the current team, compared with the offer made by the new team

IF the most recent offer from the current team is lower than that made by the new team, they lose the right to match - the premise being, you didn't value the player at that level when making your offer, so why now should you view them at that value just as a means of making things difficult...

This would stop teams being able to force a trade if they don't like the potential compensation on offer, while also placing an expectation on them to be fair with their own offer to the player & not undervalue them to see what happens

The only thing I don’t like is him having the ability to enter the draft.
It should be he goes to Brisbane, stays at Adel or trade if it’s matched

 

[Footy Smarts]

Brisbane's salary cap must be bursting.

 

[moond0g]

The only thing I don’t like is him having the ability to enter the draft.
It should be he goes to Brisbane, stays at Adel or trade if it’s matched

But what if they can't agree to a trade, he has to go somewhere?

 

[calder_daddy]

But what if they can't agree to a trade, he has to go somewhere?

I think that’s bad luck, to many avenues

 

[moond0g]

Yeah, that one - I've corrected it now

It does feel at times that matching on an RFA is more about getting a better draft pick/s than on offer via compensation compared with how the team does value the player as part of their team - about the commodity they can bring in for them

I remember when Scooter joined us as a RFA that WCE very quickly didn't match the offer, but after they were notified of the compensation pick, there was a bit more noise around being unhappy with it and they would have matched if they'd known it would be a pick either in or end of first round

So that wasn't about matching due to wanting to keep the player, but purely about wanting a better pick which I'm not sure would have been coming anyway

Matching is 100% about the pick they'll receive. North outright said that this year re. McKay. If we get 3 we won't match, but if we don't we'll do it.

As long as there's compensation picks on offer I can't see how there's any other way though.

 

[cats_09]

Adelaide's offer to Doedee was 2-years, and I believe reports suggested Brisbane's offer was 3-years

At least getting pick 19 as compensation, the bitching about us getting the same compensation when Motlop joined Port should stop - at least that was a 4-yr deal

 

[moond0g]

I think that’s bad luck, to many avenues

Yeah but where does he end up in that scenario?

If he's forced to stay at Adelaide, it treating him like he's in contract, which is the exact opposite of the aim of free agency.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I was correct in assuming Adelaide would get end of R1 compo for Dodee (seems overs though).

Boy do I hate this compo thing.

Anyway Adelaide is stocked with 3x picks in the low/mid 20's + #9.

I won't be surprised if they get busy trying to move up.

We could be an option with our 7 going to them for 9 + a 20's pick.

If 9 was low enough to get Darcy Wilson I'd be keenish (assuming only Caddy is left for us from the top tier kids).

In saying that, they could make a play for that earlier and better GC pick and potentially trump the Dogs for it.

GC will be absolutely blessed this draft with all their academy guns + teams probably paying big for their #4.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Crows getting end of R1 compo for Dodee makes North getting #3 for McKay the surest of sure things.

#bogus

 

[BORIS332]

What could they possibly offer?

Eagles would be giving up F1 which they wouldn't do and Carlton is going into their premiership contending window....

What are they giving up? 3 Firsts? Its not happening.

And Gold Coast wouldn't possibly trade us Bowes and pick 7 for a future third. Just wait and see how it pans out.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I was correct in assuming Adelaide would get end of R1 compo for Dodee (seems overs though).

Boy do I hate this compo thing.

Anyway Adelaide is stocked with 3x picks in the low/mid 20's + #9.

I won't be surprised if they get busy trying to move up.

We could be an option with our 7 going to them for 9 + a 20's pick.

If 9 was low enough to get Darcy Wilson I'd be keenish (assuming only Caddy is left for us from the top tier kids).

In saying that, they could make a play for that earlier and better GC pick and potentially trump the Dogs for it.

GC will be absolutely blessed this draft with all their academy guns + teams probably paying big for their #4.

9 + 19 would probably get it done it for 7.

It sounds expensive, but clubs pay a premium for these picks. It happens every year.

 

[BORIS332]

Damn

What was Brisbane's contract...

It would make the contract somewhere in the vicinity of $500k-$550k/year.

 

[D BRIDGE]

9 + 19 would probably get it done it for 7.

It sounds expensive, but clubs pay a premium for these picks. It happens every year.

It's certainly not out of the range of possibilities.

I mean if the player Adelaide wants looks likely to go at 7 or 8 then yeah it could be on for sure.

That's also assuming they don't add more on and shoot for an even higher pick.

All depends on who the recruiters really want and where they think they will fall.

Wilson + another pick in the 20's could be something we are eyeing... not sure though, just guessing.

 

[Mr Meow]

Crows getting end of R1 compo for Dodee makes North getting #3 for McKay the surest of sure things.

#bogus

Ratugolea's ceiling from this point is beyond either too. It's going to be upsetting when we get pick 35 for him.

 

[Shadow89]

Posted this on the main board in the Doedee thread, and posting this here, but the draft is now entirely compromised:

"Just as an example for those that think I'm being crazy about the second round not starting until Pick 30:

1. H. Reid (WC)
Pick 2. Walter - North bid (GC)
Pick 3. Curtin (North)
Pick 4. McKercher - McKay compo (North)
Pick 5. Watson - trade with GC for Picks 11, 18 and Future 1st, for 5 and Future 2nd (Dogs)
Pick 6. Z. Duursma (Hawks)
Pick 7. E. Read - Melbourne bid (GC)
Pick 8. O'Sullivan (Melbourne)
Pick 9. N. Caddy (GWS)
Pick 10. Sanders (Geelong)
Pick 11. Rogers - Essendon bid (GC)
Pick 12. D. Wilson (Essendon)
Pick 13. Schoenmaker (Adelaide)
Pick 14. O. Murphy (whoever trades with GC to get this pick)
Pick 15. Windsor (Sydney)
Pick 16. A. Roberts (St Kilda)
Pick 17. J. Croft - Melbourne bid (Bulldogs)
Pick 18. A. Reid (Melbourne)
Pick 19. McCabe - North bid (Hawks)
Pick 20. Hardemann (North)
Pick 21. Leake (GWS)
Pick 22. DeMattia (Carlton)
Pick 23. Tholstrup (whoever trades with GC to get this pick)
Pick 24. C. Cleary - Collingwood bid (Sydney)
Pick 25. Zakostelsky - Collingwood
Pick 26. W. Graham - North bid (GC)
Pick 27. M. Edwards - (North, compo)
Pick 28. C. Edwards (Adelaide, compo)
Pick 29. Moir (Gresham, compo - not confirmed but still possible given the Doedee deal and rumoured Essendon offer)

End of 1st round

Pick 30. Start of second round."

 

[D BRIDGE]

Ratugolea's ceiling from this point is beyond either too. It's going to be upsetting when we get pick 35 for him.

I'm happy to play hardball with Sav.

Either we get something of value we rate or no deal hopefully.

 

[Mr Meow]

I'm happy to play hardball with Sav.

Either we get something of value we rate or no deal hopefully.

Because of the supply/demand and therefore value of KPDs (especially omeswith potentially elite intercepting) I'm inclined to agree on this one. He could be one of their Mitchell/Hill plug and plays that helps finally win Kenny a flag.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Ratugolea's ceiling from this point is beyond either too. It's going to be upsetting when we get pick 35 for him.

Swings and roundabouts for the benefit we get for Rat. They will not offer more if they do not have a selection. We will need a backline player that can play on the monsters. Stewart and Kolo cannot be expected to do so.

We have good players but if we can improve any position we should do so.
eg have many players that play Wilson's position but are they better?? Who would he replace? I was loyal to the players but it is a business.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

ADELAIDE and Geelong have confirmed they explored the possibility of prying superstar midfielder Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

out of Melbourne last week.

 

[Footy Smarts]

How is next year's draft class looking? Is it rated highly and is it deep?

Another option for pick 7 is to load up on next year's draft along with trading down. Eg see if North want to do 7 for 14 plus their 2 future end of round 1 picks.

We should have a lot of lost spots so 3 picks in the top ~25 would be a good starting point.